Are we in a recession?

I looked at market prices today and everything is telling me we are about to enter a recession. Citi is the worst bank but still about earning $7 a year and 8 pe now....all banks doing poorly. Industrials crushed. Apple around 13 pe ex-cash. Rates implying cuts in 18 months. Utilities and health care doing well for sell off.

Then I look at real world things. Close to 200k jobs created. Art Basel is booming and people are spending. Mba grads getting 160k median salaries.

The data doesn’t seem to fit the world. Whose wrong?

 
traderlife:
The data doesn’t seem to fit the world. Whose wrong?
To add some additional points, international credit(ish) markets are not looking healthy either, xCCy basis is wider, sov spreads are wider. EM equities are getting destroyed, China included. All of this has benign explanations, obviously. On the other hand, many of the usual pain points are looking pretty tame.

The data is backward looking. The market is forward looking. So either the markets perception is wrong (and it frequently is) or we are on the precipice of some economic turmoil. It's hard to predict the future.

As an aside, in the modern economy the market can be an indicator but it can also be a cause. If we have a serious amount of pain in the markets (especially in the credit space, where every company is over-leveraged), it can cause ripples through the main street economy and cause a recession.

I have a friend who lives in the country, and it's supposed to be an hour from 42nd Street. A lie! The only thing that's an hour from 42nd Street is 43rd Street!
 
traderlife:
**Actually fairly easy to predict the economy. ** All recessions are caused by the fed hiking rates too much.
Yeah, in hindsight it's all pretty obvious (and even that is not true).
I have a friend who lives in the country, and it's supposed to be an hour from 42nd Street. A lie! The only thing that's an hour from 42nd Street is 43rd Street!
 

Since 1960 there have been seven major recessions roughly every 7 years I get the feeling that we are being manipulated this last one was financially devastating for a lot of people it basically reset the prices of everything lower so the upper level could own even more Like the use of the partnership buying of shorts which guarantees each buyer an immediate profit ! Yet we all seem to be looking the other way severe changes have to be made I personally I'm not going to accept another recession ! I asked you to join me and tell your friends also

 

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