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Best city for overall quality of life?

Including weather and job opportunities what do you guys think the best city to live in for banking is?

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Feb 5, 2019

weather: not NYC
everything else: NYC

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Feb 15, 2019

I call bullshit on NYC. The imbalance between gender have caused beta males to aggrandize mediocre girls' egos. It's like bitch, you're a 3.5, possibly 4 on a good day, but I'm also really really drunk.

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Feb 5, 2019

just because a girl is uppity doesn't mean all girls are uppity. maybe I've been out of the dating game too long (>10y), but it seems to me there are plenty of quality women available. maybe stop numbering them and looking for your soulmate while you're hammered and your results could improve.

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Feb 15, 2019

How on earth do you have trouble dating in New York, of all places? There's a gender imbalance alright... in favor of men.

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Feb 21, 2019

I did not know NYC was San Francisco.

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Feb 15, 2019
thebrofessor:

weather: not NYC
everything else: NYC

For weather: NYC
Everything else: NYC

Even when it's chilly in NYC it's just like oh I'll sport my new full coat and trot around in the snow and take some cool photos.

If it's too hot in the summer it's beach or pool time.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Feb 15, 2019

NYC always wins in all categories. That's the first and last rule.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Feb 5, 2019

Probably doesn't make the short stack for best exit opportunities, but my friends seem to love Charlotte as far as quality of life (good pay, not as tough on taxes, great weather, good hours)

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Feb 5, 2019

I imagine ATL, Houston, Dallas are all pretty cushy. Sure its hot but no miserable winters like Chicago, all are a little more thriving than Charlotte, cheaper than SF/Seattle/NYC/Chicago.

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Feb 21, 2019

ATL?

Not a chance.

High amounts of traffic (worst in the country), crazy bible thumpers everywhere, culture as a whole is very ghetto/ratchet, people are rude, and the humid summers are no joke.

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Feb 14, 2019

Phoenix

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Feb 15, 2019

Never would have thought this. What kinds of opportunities are in AZ?

Feb 20, 2019

does phoenix really have that great of infrastructure for banking? As far as I can tell no. I wanted to move to Scottsdale for the cheap living and great weather.

Feb 24, 2019

You pretty much have to be multi-generational here to succeed. Everyone went to the same grade schools and high schools, as the public schools were shit. No one cares about educational pedigree other than UofA and USC. USC=Harvard here.

There is zero banking other than massive back offices. Commercial real estate brokerage and development is really the pinnacle here. A lot of funance here is handled in LA and Newport Beach.

The weather is absolutely amazing though. Compensation relative to COL is top tier competitive. White collar work shuts down in the summer, and everyone that matters goes to San Diego or Newport Beach for a couple months. The girls are LA hot but incredibly stupid. Bars are solid. Restaurants are mediocre.

Source: 6th generation, LAC in NE, commercial real estate finance/development.

Feb 15, 2019

The best place to live is somewhere semi off the grid where land is cheap and the weather is warm

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Feb 15, 2019

For Europe, I'd go with London or Copenhagen. Hell, even Stockholm or Oslo, although the weather can be absolute shit during winter time.

Feb 15, 2019

Nordic countries taxes and COL though.

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Feb 15, 2019

Taxes are high, but there are ways to go around that at the senior level (partner structure, c. 30% flat tax). The way I see it, COL tend to be exaggerated. It's expensive, but still not NY/London/Zurich-level when factoring in real estate/rent.

Feb 15, 2019

I'm not in Europe but have visited Copenhagen and Stockholm and would also throw Berlin in the mix as my top 3 international cities I wouldn't mind living.

Feb 15, 2019

I would too, hadn't it been for the fact that most finance jobs are in Frankfurt.

Feb 15, 2019

I've heard that Oslo is pretty boring though, is that true?

Feb 15, 2019

I would say Copenhagen > Stockholm > Oslo. I like all three, but I guess being Scandinavian makes you biased. It's quite a lot smaller than the other two, but it's the only one with proper skiing facilities nearby if you're into that.

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Feb 15, 2019

San Francisco if you like seeing needles and homeless guys pee pees

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Feb 15, 2019

Don't forget all the poop!

Feb 15, 2019

Last time in SF, I heard a homeless guy shouting at the voices in his head. "Fuck you, fuck you, leave me alone, fuck you, I have a three foot dick!" and then he pulls it out (more like three inches lmao) and starts urinating on the street. I mean if that isn't the American dream right there, what is?

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Mar 1, 2019

Don't forget that you can see all of that while walking out to drop your tax check in the mail too! I'd rather owe money to the mob than the CA Franchise Tax Board.

Feb 15, 2019

I'll speak for the cities I've lived at... NYC too crowded, obvious. Expensive and sucks during winter. Rats everywhere and the subway smells like piss and never comes on time and morning/afternoon traffic absolutely sucks. A great city to visit, not so much to live in. Philadelphia is great, less crowded, traffic isn't as bad. People are nicer and not as expensive at NYC. Not an ideal place for finance unless you want to be in boutiques. Definitely a better place to meet and socialize and won't be look at like another number relative to NYC. Transportation via car sucks but not as a bad NYC but the traffic laws are ridiculous, probably worse than NYC from my own personal experience. Also there are medium amount of finance jobs, there is blackrock, vanguard, asset managers but again, not much in comparison to NYC but I'd put it in between NYC and Pittsburgh. My favorite city was Pittsburgh. Downside, not a lot of finance jobs except BNY Mellon and a few boutiques. City is absolutely gorgeous and clean, people are friendly and cost of living is relatively low. Has a great social life. Downside, you need a car to even get anywhere. View is amazing from the mountain top with good amount of people running and socializing and you never feel alone.

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Feb 15, 2019

Philly and Pittsburgh are both underrated and continue to improve drastically over the past 10 years. As you mentioned it's harder to find a good job and you'll likely end up working at a boutique and taking a 20%+ pay cut vs NYC but the COL is so much lower and the overall culture has much more emphasis on work life balance. It's refeshing that 0 conversations in these cities start with "so what do you do? / where do you work?".

ETA: I've only lived in the northeast/mid-atlantic

Feb 15, 2019

Pittsburgh's a cool tertiary city, don't get me wrong, but it's hardly the "best city for overall quality of life" - especially in a finance sense.

"Downtown" is not a 24 hour, or even 18 hour, destination and it is incredibly small. The winters are worse than NYC. "Yinzers" are derided for a reason. The traffic is bad for a city of that size due to the bridges, tunnels, and poor street planning.

I could make a whole post about the positives, too, don't get me wrong, but it's a weird choice for tertiary cities when places like Nashville and Charlotte exist.

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Feb 15, 2019

Agreed, it's just the only tertiary I've spent time living in

Feb 15, 2019

There is no way the people in Philly are nicer than NYC. In fact people in Philly may not be nicer than anyone on earth.

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Feb 15, 2019

That's bullshit (obvious disclosure: i'm from philly)

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Feb 15, 2019

They've got to be nicer than New Jersey

Feb 15, 2019

Just think of "go fuck yourself" as "howdy."

Feb 15, 2019

Depends on your definition of "nice". Philly people can be obnoxious, but in a different kind of way than New York. There's still the east coast gruffness, but the snobbery is much more toned down.

I'll put it this way: Philly is cool if you're cool. If you're a douchebag, you won't like Philly, and Philly probably won't like you either. By all means, if you're not too concerned about glamour and can find a decent job in Philly, take the job. There's less bullshit to deal with, and by age 40 you'll have much more cash in your pocket than if you went the same route in New York.

(disclosure: I'm a Philly native, paying rent in hellhole New York, trying to get back to Philly)

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Feb 15, 2019

I wholeheartedly disagree with most of your points about Philly.

Cons:
-Everyone is a huge asshole
-Insanely grimey
-The worst sports fans on the planet
-Shitty public transportation
-High levels of crime (though I guess this is only in certain areas, but bad neighborhoods are super close to Center City)

Pros:
-Relatively cheap real estate, esp. rent
-Great dining scene imo, and very affordable
-Quickly gentrifying parts of north Philly (debatably a good thing)

Feb 15, 2019

FWIW, I grew up in NYC and live there now, went to school in Philly and have been back 3-4 times a year since then to visit friends. Was out last night with 5 college friends, and we all talked about if we could get everyone jobs in Philly we'd move back in a heartbeat. The city is amazing - easy to get around (although public transport isn't good the ubers are dirt cheap and most of center city/near north/south philly is walkable), great food & bars, super affordable. It's also getting a lot nicer in North Philly at a very rapid pace (good thing IMO). The only big downside as I see it is being a single man - the women in Philadelphia just aren't even in the same ballpark as NYC. It's not even close. My single friends and I joke that the minute we get married we're all moving to Philly.

Feb 15, 2019

Melbourne

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Feb 15, 2019
Bismarck:

Melbourne

Melbourne is cool. My mom was born there and I went there last year. Nice beach break (Bells Beach an hour and change, good casino (Crown). I like it.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Feb 15, 2019

Omaha, Nebraska

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Feb 5, 2019

these threads always come up every so often, and they're usually from undergrads who don't have complete control over where they're going to live. if you have a choice between 3 offers, just say it.

if you have the opportunity to live anywhere, you probably have a lot of money and a flexible career, so I would diversify across the US (assuming you didn't want to go abroad)

Spring: SoCal
Summer: Chicago
Fall: NYC
Winter: Miami

if there was a perfect city, everyone would live there, but I have yet to find someone with the resources to live anywhere who only lives in one place.

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Feb 15, 2019

Recent college grads should also, unless they have multiple options in great cities (in which case, good on you), focus less on the location the first few years and on the experience you will have on the job. You are the primary determinant of your social life and activities outside of work - it's what you make of it. Sure - prestige is a thing and NYC is great when you are just out of college. Also awesome? Being able to buy a house by 30 wherever you want, working in a lower COL city.

As long as you are working, and you are in finance in a more traditional career (i.e. not some super powered, algo trading quant who can make money from the beaches in aruba or something) you will end up in the same few major cities of NY, Chicago, Boston, Charlotte, etc. or some specific cities depending on who you work for like Baltimore (T.Rowe), Philly (Vanguard, SEI, etc.), Pittsburgh (Mellon), Nashville (some of the southern regionals) you get my drift. Maybe even in Denver or Salt Lake nowadays (which, by the way, don't sleep on these options - i would have killed to come out of college and work in salt lake with the skiing and a delta hub).

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Feb 15, 2019

Sarasota all the way north to St. Petersburg > Miami

Miami will become Brazil in less than 20 years

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Feb 5, 2019

@Addinator couldn't agree more. just take the best job and then build your career so you can choose your location.

@InVinoVeritas you make a very strong point, St Pete/Sarasota/Tampa are gorgeous. I just started going the past couple of years after sticking to east florida, I think quality of life if you have a family, absolutely, but I'm not so sure on career. plus, if I'm only living there part time, I love the riff raff Miami presents, and in terms of it becoming brazil...well from an optical standpoint (women), bring it on

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Feb 16, 2019

I've had a chance to live in three of the four locations. Agreed. So. Much

Feb 18, 2019
thebrofessor:

Spring: SoCal
Summer: Chicago
Fall: NYC
Winter: Miami

if there was a perfect city, everyone would live there

probably the most useful quote in this entire thread - thanks brofessor

Feb 15, 2019

Charlotte, NC

Lower COL, great weather, close to mountains and beaches, lots to do. While it doesn't have the finance opportunities that NYC does, you still benefit from banking opportunities such as BoA, WFC, Regions, BB&T/SunTrust, Jeffries, and other boutiques. There's also Barings and Nuveen for asset management.

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Feb 15, 2019

Lowest COL I've heard from all my buddies. There's no reason you should have to spend more than $2.00 a sq/ft for rent.

Feb 15, 2019

Dallas is a great city for job opportunities (#1 in country right now in job growth), COL, and raising a family. A big downside is complete lack of nature and weather (1/3 of the year is miserably hot).

Houston is similar to Dallas in many ways but a worse job market, better nature (city is taking massive steps to improve bayou and other large-scale park projects), and higher humidity.

West Austin is an amazing QOL if you can afford it. COL there is skyrocketing as CA socialists descend upon the area like locusts. Homeless everywhere downtown, rampant drug use - they will turn that city into San Francisco if they can help it.

If you can deal with the state politics, San Diego seems like a wonderful place to live from my travels there.

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Feb 15, 2019
InVinoVeritas:

Dallas is a great city for job opportunities (#1 in country right now in job growth), COL, and raising a family. A big downside is complete lack of nature and weather (1/3 of the year is miserably hot).

Houston is similar to Dallas in many ways but a worse job market, better nature (city is taking massive steps to improve bayou and other large-scale park projects), and higher humidity.

West Austin is an amazing QOL if you can afford it. COL there is skyrocketing as CA socialists descend upon the area like locusts. Homeless everywhere downtown, rampant drug use - they will turn that city into San Francisco if they can help it.

If you can deal with the state politics, San Diego seems like a wonderful place to live from my travels there.

Interesting that you mention the homeless. Recently went to Austin for the first time after hearing how up and coming it was...what I found was a nearly vacant (the weather might have had something to do with this) and comparatively small downtown area with every third person being homeless. Don't get me wrong I see why people move there (I think), but I have never seen so many homeless people in my life and I grew up in the Bay Area and frequent NYC often.

Also, COL is all relative. Austin is not nearly as expensive as I had pictured after hearing how much housing prices are increasing.

Feb 15, 2019

Yeah, I would say Austin COL across the city is very high for Texas and above average but climbing quickly at a national comparison. However, Downtown rent is high even at a national level - new condos are selling for $800+ psf.

Feb 15, 2019

I'll throw out a curve ball here. While I haven't worked in Tokyo before, I did spend a little over a month there a while back, and it was an incredible city. It took all the best parts of NYC-the nightlife, people, endless opportunities, etc.-and put them into an astoundingly clean and well-running locale. You never have to worry about transportation (like, holy shit those jokes about train conductors committing suicide if they arrive a minute late aren't jokes) and in downtown especially (i.e. Ginza District) there are always things to do. I've heard that the work/life balance there for Japanese professionals can be extreme, but know a few U.S. expats working there for U.S. companies and they have nothing but praise.

Also, if you want Wild West style freedom, go south. Mexico City, San Jose, Bogota, Buenos Aires. They might not have the range of jobs found in more mature economies, but if you want somewhere to make a fortune and have a blast doing so, those are the places.

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Feb 18, 2019

I would imagine dating or meeting women in Tokyo would suck ass.

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Feb 15, 2019

It's actually quite easy apparently. All the expats I know say that being American is like a novelty there, and once girls realize you're there to stay a while you immediately become even more attractive. I guess its something to do with an assumed level of income that Americans usually have there.

Feb 15, 2019

In the US, it's probably one of the midwest/southwest cities. Maybe a few mid-atlantics sprinkled in. I'm sure a decent case could be made for any of the following

Charlotte
Nashville
Raleigh
Atlanta
Philly
Baltimore(Strike this from the record)
Denver
Salt Lake
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
Chicago

Probably a few more I'm not thinking of. All have major universities, sports teams

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Feb 5, 2019

I live in one of the southeast cities you mention, and I would agree, quality of life, cost of living, job opps in general are fantastic. however, if your end goal is a big buyside, consulting, or IB shop, this ain't it homie.

if banking/buyside isn't the end goal, you can make a fantastic career though. I love where I live, not just the city itself is great but its proximity to everything I can't get locally is great as well.

Feb 15, 2019
mrharveyspecter:

Baltimore

You lost all credibility right there.

Feb 15, 2019

Haha people used to say the same thing about Philly and 10 years later people are calling it another borough of New York.

I haven't spent a ton of time in Baltimore, but its cheap, close to DC, Inner Harbor is nice, major sports teams, low COL, over 500k people.

I agree, it's probably one of the weaker ones on the list, but I'm sure a Baltimore fanatic could make a case.

Feb 20, 2019

Baltimore kicks ass

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Feb 21, 2019

Once again, can speak for Atlanta, the place is a dump. Traffic is among the worst in the country, people in general are hostile (its loaded with bitter Yankees from New Jersey and the Rust Belt, so much for southern hospitality), public transit is a nightmare, and culture is a mix of trashy rap music and trailer trash.

Women as a whole are not that attractive for those of you who are single guys and a lot of the dating scene runs through very tight-knit social cliques resembling a small town, it's either church cliques or former southern Greek Life cliques.

The film industry is also making the place into a poor man's LA, as if Los Angeles was that great itself.

Seriously, avoid Atlanta, the city is a dump.

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Feb 15, 2019
Postgradwonderer:

Once again, can speak for Atlanta, the place is a dump. Traffic is among the worst in the country, people in general are hostile (its loaded with bitter Yankees from New Jersey and the Rust Belt, so much for southern hospitality), public transit is a nightmare, and culture is a mix of trashy rap music and trailer trash.

Women as a whole are not that attractive for those of you who are single guys and a lot of the dating scene runs through very tight-knit social cliques resembling a small town, it's either church cliques or former southern Greek Life cliques.

The film industry is also making the place into a poor man's LA, as if Los Angeles was that great itself.

Seriously, avoid Atlanta, the city is a dump.

This is horseshit.

In order:

  • Atlanta isn't a dump.
  • Traffic is only bad if you live in a suburb an hour outside of the city and commute in every day.
  • As someone from the northeast, the people are absurdly nice
  • Public transit does suck. I'll give you that. Still, you can say that about 99% of American cities.
  • There are not trailer trash in Atlanta and "rap music" isn't a culture. There are a wide variety of cultures in the city, both high brow and low brow, just like any city.
  • There are outrageously attractive women in Atlanta, although I wouldn't put it on LA's level or anything. Still, nothing wrong with tan sorority girls.
  • Finally, while the film industry has done a lot for the economy, it has not dramatically changed Atlanta's culture in any way.
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Feb 15, 2019

I stand corrected on Baltimore, sounds like no one would ever want to live there.

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Feb 15, 2019

HCOL: Phoenix, Dallas, Nashville, Chicago (lived in each)
LCOL: Tucson (visited often), OKC, Charlotte

My favorite place to live thus far is in Arizona. No winter. Sporadic rain for part of the year but beyond that you get 330+ days of sunshine (on their brochure and it feels like it). I absolutely love the desert.

Feb 15, 2019

Your list is decent. I'd only add that Phoenix is just too damn hot. I get the appeal, but it's too extreme.

Also, OKC is a very odd choice. It's not even the top city in OK. Tulsa is a MUCH better place to live if you're going to live in OK.

Dallas really appeals to me. I'm settled in another city now, but if I every have to relocate (which is likely), I'll push for Chicago (home) or Dallas.

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Feb 15, 2019

I grew up in Oklahoma. Tulsa is a shit-hole compared to OKC lol. I've spent plenty of time there. It's just a watered down version of OKC with way more crime and less things to do. Only people from Tulsa say that it's better than OKC.

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Feb 15, 2019

Singapore

D.I.

Feb 20, 2019

Why?

Feb 15, 2019

cough Milwaukee cough

Feb 15, 2019

And get pummeled by your -50 degree windchill? No thanks bud...

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Feb 15, 2019

Milwaukee, similarly to Chicago, is actually very nice in the summer...but I feel like the social scene revolves heavily around drinking. If you can make $200k+ in Milwaukee though you can live very, very well.

Feb 15, 2019

I wouldn't call it the "best" by any stretch but I'll always say Philly is highly underrated. COL is great, food is excellent, always something to do, major airport (AA hub), great location close to NY/DC/mountains/beaches etc.

Cons: finance scene is tiny for being the 6th biggest city in the country though. City is not business-friendly at all and local politics absolutely blow.

Feb 15, 2019

+1 here. To me it is one of the up and comer cities that is actually pretty developed now, but without as much of the cost/hype as an Austin or Seattle type of city.

Feb 15, 2019

NYC all day

Feb 15, 2019

Dallas no question.

Don't even know where to start so I'll just laundry list the highlights:

Foodie's paradise (#1 rated food city), low COL, no state income tax, incredible roads, somewhat diverse (kind of spread out, though), best strip clubs in the US, super convenient international airport hub, plentiful parking, above average nightlife, great museums and landmarks, excellent sports scene, terrific jobs growth, fantastic public university system (2nd wealthiest endowment in the country), great public schools, decent weather (brutal summers, though), easy to navigate.

I'm a recovering New Yorker and have been here ~4 years now and the best part about it has been the constant new discoveries -just last month I did one of those virtual reality experiences in a studio built to make it immersive (when you get behind cover during a firefight, you're really behind something made to look like urban terrain; damn cool). I'm going to set up roots here for sure.

Feb 15, 2019

I very much enjoyed my time in Dallas. I'm from Oklahoma originally though, so we always thought Dallas was Mecca.

Feb 15, 2019

If you New Yorkers try to come down here and take our guns away we are going to ship you right back to where you came from...

Also - Houston food scene is better than Dallas... And where do you do that virtual reality thing? Sounds pretty cool...

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Feb 15, 2019

Don't worry I'm a hardcore Libertarian.

Houston is too hot. Can't deal with it.

Lots of VR studios in the DFW area, but the one I tried was called The Void over at the Cinemark in Plano. $30 for 20 minutes, and you're dropped in the middle of a gaming scenario. They had Star Wars running, but switch it up occasionally. Most immersive experience I've had w/ VR: you feel heat, rain, bullets, and interact w/ objects and terrain, etc. and everyone on your team actually looks and moves like their avatars. Really fooled my brain.

Feb 15, 2019

@TheGrind @InVinoVeritas

I visted Dallas a few years back for the ULI Fall Meeting and loved it. Ate the best brisket I've ever had in my life at this place that serves it on butcher paper that I can never remember the name of (also ate some cow nuts or something too at the Rustic - weird), toured Trammell Crow's Old Parkland campus, toured the Cowboy's practice facility, checked out the W. museum, and toured some Forrest City deal in Uptown. It was a blast.

Feb 15, 2019

Been meaning to do the W. museum. Next time out head over to the grassy knoll/JFK museum. That whole area's mostly been preserved so it looks like a time capsule.

Feb 15, 2019

Pecan Lodge probably. Their burnt ends are one of the best things I've ever tasted.

http://pecanlodge.com/

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Feb 25, 2019

How's the S&T scenario there?

Mar 12, 2019

You'd have better luck in Houston... unless you want PWM or RE avenues.

Feb 15, 2019

scrolls all the way down

doesn't see LA listed anywhere

leans back in my chair with jeans and t-shirt on while sipping a smoothie

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Feb 15, 2019

Greater LA area here. mind-blown that no one has mentioned LA or Denver.

LA finance is way more chilled out than NYC, but there are players here that are just as big if not bigger.

Word I've heard from my boss when working later. Hey its Friday night and getting late you should get out of here there are good waves to catch tomorrow....Please someone convince me to move somewhere else.

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Feb 15, 2019

Are you in the El Segundo area or Century City and that sort of place? Where I'm at in the South bay is really chill. haven't been down to Century City in a while.

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Feb 16, 2019

LA is great if you live and work in the beach cities, but if you have a long commute or were living somewhere not by the beach then I think you are missing the point of living in LA. In terms of job opportunities there is way more finance and tech than people think.

Also you can easily get to a ton of places for weekend trips- Denver, Salt Lake (actually a pretty good city for finance), Phoenix/Scottsdale (there is some serious talent there), Vegas, and outside of SF all the other parts of CA are awesome (San Diego, Newport, Santa Barbara, Palm Springs, Napa, Tahoe, Mammoth, Carmel, Big Sur, SLO, etc).

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Feb 20, 2019

Does no one in LA think about the big one hitting?

Feb 20, 2019

When living in a relative paradise for 10 months out of the year it has people tend to forget about the ol' fault line.

Feb 22, 2019

West side here, totally agree. Usually out by 4 on Fridays, way more relaxed culture.

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Feb 15, 2019

For recent college grads, I think Houston is a solid place to be. Way cheaper than NYC, has a lot of job opps (though very siloed), great food, and very diverse. Cons: hot af, you need a car, not as hip as NYC or LA.

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Feb 15, 2019

Love the username. And as a Houston native, I can't wait to move back this Summer after graduation.

Feb 15, 2019

My buddy lives in the coolest little pocket down the street from Uchi in Montrose. Walking distance to the The Menil Collection which is an awesome meetup spot. Also, the area around Local Foods in the Heights is really well done.

Feb 15, 2019

LA, San Fran, or anything in the south for weather. NYC for everything else. Random but if you can find a solid middle market in the Mid west and can command proper compensation you could live like a king out there.

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Feb 15, 2019

Word. Lived in the Midwest (Dallas, OKC, and elsewhere) making >100k... I never ran out of money no matter how much drinking I did. Also beer is so cheap there. When I lived in Boston a Coors Light was 7 dollars. WTF

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Feb 18, 2019

Since when is Dallas (or OKC) considered the Midwest?

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Feb 15, 2019

Chicago. NYC lifestyle with Midwest prices.

Literally unbeatable.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
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Feb 15, 2019

Fuck no its damn Game of Thrones cold in that hoe

(1) disclaimer: Have never been to Chicago, but judging off images from Reddit.

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.

Feb 15, 2019

Chi-town summer unbeatable after October cold AF retreat to Florida or suffer.

Feb 5, 2019

Chicago is an amazing city, the cold will get to you but as long as you're there, everyone's dealing with the same thing, the minus 40 stuff doesn't happen every year, so no big deal.

I'd argue that their football team and property taxes are the biggest drawbacks, but then again, I'm a cheesehead

Feb 15, 2019
Yankee Doodle:

Chicago. NYC lifestyle with Midwest prices.

Literally unbeatable.

Chicago weather 9 months of the year automatically disqualifies it.

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Feb 15, 2019

Wasn't it -50 this year?

I get that it's an anomaly, but the winters are still brutal. It's not like a Denver winter which is actually relatively mild.

With that said, I think if you can brave the winters it's got the best combo of COL with big city amenities.

Feb 15, 2019

Chicago's weather really isn't that much worse than Toronto's, which is by most measures a city very comparable to New York as well.

To my knowledge, Montreal, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis all have weather similar to Chicago's, but for some reason Chicago gets singled out.

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Feb 20, 2019

Chicago's chicks are chubby; only downside.

Work hard, work clean, & most of all do not give up.

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Feb 15, 2019

I was going to say Toronto until I saw you mention weather...

Feb 15, 2019
SSJ_Trunks:

I was going to say Toronto until I saw you mention weather...

Toronto is a chill little city. I like it - have eaten at a bunch of cool/random places there.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Feb 22, 2019

It wouldn't exactly call Toronto a little city considering it's the 3rd biggest city in North America

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Feb 20, 2019

Toronto fo sho and we don't have Trump up here

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Feb 5, 2019

do you really think Americans spend their days thinking about Trump?

my life has changed approximately 0% because of POTUS, and I expect the same level of influence in 2020, 2024, and so on.

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Feb 15, 2019

Definitely NOT Boston. This city is driving me crazy. I've also lived around here for 25 years and need to gtfo.

Feb 15, 2019

Agreed it's so boring after college. Gtfo now.

Feb 15, 2019

I was about to comment this. I love boston cus I grew up here and its my home (been here my whole life) but the quality of life here is surprisingly bad. Lets just cover some of the basics: worst rush hour traffic in the country, quite possibly the most unreliable public transportation in the country, cost of living anywhere except for the worst neighborhoods in the city itself if astronomically high (not NY/SF, but still really high), the weather (snow and freezing winters, humid ass summers, and rain like all the time), nightlife and fun stuff could really use improvement (not bad but should be better), no parking anywhere, state is literally being crippled by opioid problems (really sad), etc.

And when you go outside of Boston, it gets even dumber. A lot of the surrounding towns/cities are in such a budget deficit that certain public works projects just get half completed and left idled for years. A lot of cities that surround Boston have abysmal public school systems so raising a family in the only marginally convenient locations is a no unless you wanna send the kids to boarding school or Phillips. Also, Boston itself feels isolated in the state itself. As soon as you head west, you hit some of the most depressing places you can imagine. NH isn't particularly great to the north, Vermont is meh unless you like woods and maple syrup, nobody knows whats in rhode island, and upstate NY and western MA just kinda blend into this empty space. Literally MA is doing a thing where they will pay people to move to the Western part of the state, but you couldn't pay me enough.

At least we have sports. I grew up here and saw all of this stupidity for years. I'm allowed to complain.

Dayman?

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Feb 20, 2019

Good thing this has been brought up. Target cities now exclude Boston haha

Feb 15, 2019

Munich is a fine city to live in.

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Feb 15, 2019

I had such an amazing time at the original Hofbrauhaus. Munich's beer scene is unreal.

Feb 15, 2019

I figure most of these will be american cities so I'll hit you with some euro dark horses:

  • Zurich
  • Berlin
  • Munich
  • Frankfurt
  • Stockholm
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Feb 15, 2019
BorseBulldog:

I figure most of these will be american cities so I'll hit you with some euro dark horses:

  • Zurich
  • Berlin
  • Munich
  • Frankfurt
  • Stockholm

Stockholm is cool.

I've wanted to go to Zurich and in fact had a ticket to go there, but my ex stopped me at the Philadelphia airport.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Feb 15, 2019

Zurich is expensive AF. Was there on a 12 hour layer-over. Got rocked by the Swiss Franc conversion.

Feb 15, 2019

These are all good euro cities, but COL disqualifies a bunch of these.

Zurich is crazy expensive and so is Stockholm( a little less crazy, but still pricey). Cities are clean and safe, but that comes at a massive price. Weather is also pretty brutal during the winters.

Haven't spent much time in Frankfurt, but was always under the impression it was very much a dull business city, but I've heard that's changed.

Munich is a lot of fun, don't know much about the business side of the city

I'm a Berlin hater so I won't even comment on that.

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Feb 15, 2019

Sure Zurich and Stockholm are pricey, but I imagine they are comparable to NYC or SF (although I haven't spent much time in the United States)
I'll chalk the German cities up to different personalities. I've travelled the world and will say there's no better city than Berlin, so to each his/her own!

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Feb 25, 2019

When I visited Berlin, it felt like it was still Easy Germany. Berlin felt grimy

Feb 5, 2019

legitimately curious: how's the food in germany & switzerland?

Feb 19, 2019

Can't speak for Germany but have spent extended time in Zurich. Food scene is almost non-existent. There are a few "decent" spots but overall, in terms of choice, quality and value for money, the city is way behind many other financial centres. There's probably one spot in town for certain cuisines and it's not even that great. Swiss food itself is also quite dreadful.

Feb 22, 2019

Visited Zurich and it was cool but I also paid $130 for dinner for two at essentially a pub.

Feb 15, 2019

Any thoughts on Sacramento? It's been a while since I've been there (mid-2000s) but I do remember liking it. It felt like a more toned down version of the bigger cities in California. Kind of the best of both worlds: good weather, west coast feel, and a cosmopolitan atmosphere (e.g. decent nightlife) but without the traffic, homelessness, pollution, etc.

Biggest downside is the lack of careers for wall-street types. It's also got a higher COL relatively speaking (though nothing as bad as nearby SF)

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Feb 24, 2019

Downtown Sacramento has been on a great trajectory since the new Kings arena (Golden 1 Center) was built. Lots of new apartment buildings, bars, clubs and the COL is definitely not high at all relative to the other major cities in CA. It's also slightly more conservative than the rest of California which isn't saying much

Feb 15, 2019

CalPERS and CalSTRS are both large pension funds there so could be interesting for asset management.

Feb 16, 2019

For Europe, I like the Nordic capitols. Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm. The COL is roughly the same, but you're also literally 2 hours from any major city in Europe.

Very, very low crime. Everything is clean. There's enough happening that you won't get too bored - and if you do - well, just jump a plane.

Traffic can suck, but it's not anything like "real" metropolitan traffic.

Feb 15, 2019

I've lived in them and while they're awesome to live in, they're all really expensive and the weather is pretty bad. Girls are all really attractive though and they like americans so that probably offsets

If I could find a job that could pay me well (after the high taxes) then these would be great.

Better yet, I'd marry into a weathly Swedish family and just coast. Summers are incredible.

Feb 20, 2019

Summers are very short.

And it's shit too many immigrants now and they will be a caliphate soon.

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Feb 16, 2019

Obviously weather doesn't matter because you should be at your desk waiting for someone to give you more work.

Feb 15, 2019

Waiting for comments right now actually.

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Feb 18, 2019

Surprised nobody has said DC. Weather isn't a positive or negative, overall relatively mild all things considered. With Amazon moving in will be the new tech capital of the east coast. Very safe and clean with tons of things to do. Everyone always says there are no attractive females but I think that couldn't be further from the truth. Metro system in continually getting better and the whole DMV area is exploding lately, always fun things to do.

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Feb 15, 2019

I enjoyed my time in DC (visiting/work trips) but it's hella expensive there for me. It's a lot of fun but damn do you need to make bank to live it up. Spent a lot of time in Georgetown area though.

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Feb 20, 2019

Love visiting DC and riding the metro. Huge improvement over riding the subway and watching a guy lick his foot.

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Feb 19, 2019

I hear Stalingrad is wonderful this time of year

Feb 5, 2019

fake news, if you go north, go to Yakutsk

Feb 15, 2019

What's the COL and QOL like in Miami? Only visited twice. Could potentially transition there in the future (or do a stint) to be closer to South America, and can't say I'm too excited about some of the salaries I've seen in exploratory discussions.

Feb 19, 2019

If you like the Latin vibe, pretty cool. Great food and night life.

Feb 5, 2019

Miami CoL is surprisingly high. granted, I've been there less than 10 times, but by my observation it's similar to NYC and LA in terms of transportation, food/drink/entertainment. can't comment on lodging but would imagine it's not as bad

Feb 20, 2019

Miami is expensive to live in and salaries are lower than most big cities. It is fun if you're latin, but if you are not it can get a little annoying over time.

Feb 19, 2019

Port-au-prince, Haiti. You can really stretch your dollar there.

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Feb 19, 2019

iirc chicago, dallas or charlotte always seem to be the consensus in these threads

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Feb 20, 2019

What about Hong Kong? I am here as an exchange student: there are a lot of jobs opportunities with good pay and the weather is ok even if there is humidity. Living in the central island could be amazing. However, it is so expensive, especially when we talk about housing.

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Feb 15, 2019

I've heard that food isn't that expensive there, is that true?

Feb 20, 2019

St. Petersburg.

Sun, beaches, casinos

Feb 15, 2019

The original St. Petersburg is better.

Feb 20, 2019

What do ya'll think about OKC or Tulsa?

Feb 20, 2019

Southern California, more specifically Newport Beach, CA. You have PIMCO there. The worst part is no public transport, and a lack of diversity in Newport beach. That said, you are close to LA, and a weekend trip to San Diego. Cost of living can get extravagant, but I also have friends that rented beach houses with roommates and were only paying 1,700/month.

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Feb 5, 2019

what do you mean no diversity? you have blonde white people, brunette white people, grey white people, bald white people, and a couple mexicans

I think Newport would be a great place to live, but not from an excitement standpoint. I love going there

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Feb 22, 2019

Having worked in Newport Beach in the past, its paradise if you have the money or if you have a boat.

One of the few places left in Southern California I'd consider living in. Alot of Arabs / Dubai money is starting to come there though, so hopefully it maintains it's relaxed atmosphere over the next decade.

Feb 20, 2019

Been in the Detroit metro area for about a year now after spending a few years in Boston/Chicago and I feel like it's criminally underrated. Having grown up on the east coast, I had extremely low expectations coming out here, but it's been great so far. COL is DIRT cheap, like ~$1000 for a 2 bedroom in a top area with way more nightlife than you'd expect. Some of the towns outside the city proper are flush with money from the auto industry and it certainly shows.

Only downside is that you pretty much have to take a car anywhere and avoid that band of wasteland between downtown and everything else.

Feb 21, 2019

i just moved to a suburb bordering a city and it's pretty rad tbh best spot i've lived man fuck all that noise (litruly)

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Feb 24, 2019

What about Singapore, I think it is the best city ever

Feb 25, 2019

Don't know about the US, but for EU I'd say that London wins hands down.
Despite the weather, this city has everything you need; great bars, food scenario is crazy, dating scenario, proximity to other EU cities
Other good ones are for sure Milan, Madrid, and Copenhagen
Madrid wins for the weather
I'd consider Geneva as well but after your 30/40

Feb 25, 2019

In the EU (at least till next month) London wins for non-locals mainly because people speak english. You can reach any city in the EU within around two hours, it only takes about 4 hours to Moscow.

Personally, I'd prefer Amsterdam.

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