Bloomberg Article: "Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost"

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Here's the article:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03...
Thoughts?

I'll start. Call me a coward or whatever, but socializing with women at work is just not worth it these days. They simply have too much power. One mis-spoken statement and your career might be ruined. There is no bar for evidence and it is truly guilty until proven innocent.

Comments (23)

Dec 3, 2018

coward - you disgrace the name your famiry

Dec 3, 2018

You are a fucking idiot if you can't have a conversation with a woman and not say something that could even potentially be taken as sexual harassment

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Dec 3, 2018

but anything can be potentially taken as sexual harassment - that's the point. it's subjective

Dec 3, 2018

Luckily for you I'm not a knuckle-dragging caveman so I can walk you through a little example:
What not to do: "hey I heard you like naked girls so you should join us at the strip club"
What's okay: "hey can you take notes on this call at noon."

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Dec 3, 2018

That's working. Not socializing. Didn't say I'd stop working with em.

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Dec 3, 2018

Sure got you covered there too sport.

Answer when she asks "what are you up to this weekend?"

Acceptable answer: "I am going to the sports match, do you like [sports team]?"
Not so good: "I have two bottles of wine at my place and they both have your name on it"

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Dec 3, 2018

"I am going to the sports match, do you like the blackhawks?"

*Are you seriously asking me if I like black c****

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Dec 3, 2018

Excellent point.. the cretins worried about this are those who couldn't get a real date if their life depended on it...

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Dec 3, 2018
Banking Sucks Guys:

Luckily for you I'm not a knuckle-dragging caveman so I can walk you through a little example:
What not to do: "hey I heard you like naked girls so you should join us at the strip club"
What's okay: "hey can you take notes on this call at noon."

The article referenced here is talking about extracurricular/out-of-office activities and interactions. It would help if you read the article before commenting.

Dec 3, 2018

I don't do much work at the strip club do you?

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Dec 3, 2018
Banking Sucks Guys:

I don't do much work at the strip club do you?

For goodness sake, do you not realize that career advancement doesn't just depend on how good your Excel is? It's a problem for women when their male colleagues don't want to spend time with them--not at lunch, not on an airplane, not for happy hour, not at a seminar. These are the times when you build personal relationships that help advance your career.

Dec 3, 2018

Oh I'm aware. I'm just really confused what situations you are in with women colleagues where you're even toeing a line. I have years-long female friends from every one of my professional stops that I still keep up with even after leaving, and don't think any of them (or my other colleagues) will be trying to pin me for sexual anything.

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Dec 3, 2018
Banking Sucks Guys:

Oh I'm aware. I'm just really confused what situations you are in with women colleagues where you're even toeing a line. I have years-long female friends from every one of my professional stops that I still keep up with even after leaving, and don't think any of them (or my other colleagues) will be trying to pin me for sexual anything.

You're confused? Have you ever spent 5 minutes with a man one-on-one in a bar after work or at a seminar? Men are men. Men can be crass, blunt, even vulgar, and it's been that way since the first ape-man could communicate. When I'm with my male colleagues we relax and can be ourselves. The Democrats and Republicans among us can even have friendly political banter without fear that the other person is going to hold a grudge. Men and women are different. That doesn't make men better; but we are different.

Biological sex impacts personality and behavior. So long as the manifestations of masculine personality traits (e.g disagreeableness) are seen as negative, males will retreat amongst themselves so that they can be themselves.

Dec 3, 2018
Banking Sucks Guys:

I have years-long female friends from every one of my professional stops that I still keep up with even after leaving, and don't think any of them (or my other colleagues) will be trying to pin me for sexual anything.

And just to add, obviously your actual behavior matters, but as someone who has been falsely accused of rape (and completely exonerated), I can attest that your actual behavior doesn't always matter.

Dec 3, 2018

Sorry to hear that happened to you. Hopefully the accuser went to jail for making false accusations.

Dec 3, 2018
Gibbs:

Sorry to hear that happened to you. Hopefully the accuser went to jail for making false accusations.

She never filed charges. She just told all of my friends and family as well as hers. Fortunately, we had one mutual friend who she told the truth to, which was reported and led to my "public" exoneration (to our mutual friends and family members).

The larger point is, it doesn't take bad behavior to be accused. Had she not slipped up my life could have spiraled into the abyss. My best friend, for example, left the friendship when I was accused and never returned once I was cleared. I was super lucky in light of what has happened to others.

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Dec 3, 2018

This is what happens. If you make it so costly to engage with a particular group, it won't happen. Whether we're talking about specific genders or races, it has the same result...

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Dec 3, 2018

I don't keep female work friends who don't have gray hair. The reality is, when you get comfortable with people aspects of the real "you" always come out, which includes talking about romantic interests and things that invariably can be construed as offensive, depending upon the person.

I have one child-bearing age female friend who is a contractor for the company and she and I routinely talk about personal things, and while I feel comfortable with her I still feel super nervous about that since outside of work there is nothing PC about how I speak. I absolutely don't socialize with her or any other female co-worker outside of work but I do have several male friends from work who I socialize with.

I can definitely see why fear of harassment charges would cause men to self-segregate, especially outside of work. No benefit to socializing with female co-workers--or greater risk than return.

Dec 3, 2018
real_Skankhunt42:

I don't keep female work friends who don't have gray hair. The reality is, when you get comfortable with people aspects of the real "you" always come out, which includes talking about romantic interests and things that invariably can be construed as offensive, depending upon the person.

I have one child-bearing age female friend who is a contractor for the company and she and I routinely talk about personal things, and while I feel comfortable with her I still feel super nervous about that since outside of work there is nothing PC about how I speak. I absolutely don't socialize with her or any other female co-worker outside of work but I do have several male friends from work who I socialize with.

I can definitely see why fear of harassment charges would cause men to self-segregate, especially outside of work. No benefit to socializing with female co-workers--or greater risk than return.

Exactly.

Dec 3, 2018

Yet another progressive cause that ends up hurting the people it intended to help. It's as bad as the grid girls controversy. The Kavanaugh farce obviously settled it for many men. Instead of risking blowing up the career you worked hard for, you simply cut out women altogether.

Then again, liberal activists have no qualms ruining millions of people's lives so long that they can build their egalitarian dytopia. So be it. It'll just get worse.

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Dec 3, 2018

I figured one of WSO's men's rights activists would post this. Yes after 50 years of shitty behavior by some men finally called out into the open, the real takeaway is how tough it's been on them!

You have nothing to worry about if you conduct yourself professionally in social settings, which you should have been doing all along. Be an adult and quit hyperventilating about the latest grievance cry Tucker Carlson tells you about.

when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

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