Bloomberg on Trump "I built a business and I didn’t start it with a million-dollar check from my father."

As much as I'd like to resist turning this into a political thread, just on a "net worth vs net worth" basis, and them both being NY guys, that's quite a burn by Bloomberg. Thoughts on his former consideration of running for Pres and what he said at the DNC?

http://therealdeal.com/2016/07/28/michael-bloombe…

 

I'd say that actually proves his point somewhat. Bloomberg had to work for the money he used to start his firm. Trump got it handed to him by his rich father.

"There's nothing you can do if you're too scared to try." - Nickel Creek
 

Bloomberg is absolutely right. Trump is an absolute nut and a con and has no business being president. Him being the nominee shows the circus state that the Republican party is currently in. I've been a supporter of the Republican party for a long time but I can no longer take them seriously, they have become a cartoon version of themselves.

Look we had a similar guy run for mayor here in Toronto - his name was Rob Ford. A real "straight shooter" who was fed up with all the "political bullshit". We voted him in and he was a disaster. Trump being president is like that times a million.

 

A PR disaster, yes. A disaster as a policy maker? That's highly debatable. I don't think you'd have to look very hard to find better examples of political disasters, within Ontario alone. Gas plant scandal anyone?

 

Comparing Trump to Ford is insulting. Ford, although "nuts" actually wanted to help people. He wanted to build subways which we so badly need and he wanted municipal services running as efficiently as possible (bye bye striking unions). He even gave his personal number out to people to reach out when they wanted and he would respond. And how was he a disaster? What exactly happened when he was in office that really affected every Torontonian. All his hate was from TorStar and the media ganging up on him.

 
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It just seems like a tacky comment from Bloomberg (and from Trump in the past). Billionaires talking about how much money they have. I struggle to think of something more classless.

In any event, does it not bother Bloomberg that the Clintons have made over $100 million without ever having started a business or having produced a good or service? For a bit I was struggling--do I vote for Trump, who hates free trade (and I'm a HUGE free trader) or do I vote for Clinton, who is a free trader (well, she was, until the Bernie fans got to her)? Problem is, I simply can't get over the fact that the Clintons have become fabulously wealthy as a result of their public service. It seems so incredibly dirty the way big businesses and foreign governments have lined up to pay the Clintons $200,000/hour in speaking fees. It's obscene and obviously corrupt. Donald Trump is a detestable crony capitalist, but at least he's a capitalist. The Clintons are...public servants who have somehow amassed a king's ransom?

Let me give you an example of the obvious corruption of the Clinton family. The NY Post analyzed the information--Bill Clinton gave 12 years of speeches and personally earned $105 million. Of that, half was amassed in the 4 years that Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State. How does this not make your skin crawl? This is legalized bribery.

http://nypost.com/2015/04/20/book-claims-foreign-cash-made-bill-and-hil…

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It just seems like a tacky comment from Bloomberg (and from Trump in the past). Billionaires talking about how much money they have. I struggle to think of something more classless.

In any event, does it not bother Bloomberg that the Clintons have made over $100 million without ever having started a business or having produced a good or service? For a bit I was struggling--do I vote for Trump, who hates free trade (and I'm a HUGE free trader) or do I vote for Clinton, who is a free trader (well, she was, until the Bernie fans got to her)? Problem is, I simply can't get over the fact that the Clintons have become fabulously wealthy as a result of their public service. It seems so incredibly dirty the way big businesses and foreign governments have lined up to pay the Clintons $200,000/hour in speaking fees. It's obscene and obviously corrupt. Donald Trump is a detestable crony capitalist, but at least he's a capitalist. The Clintons are...public servants who have somehow amassed a king's ransom?

Let me give you an example of the obvious corruption of the Clinton family. The NY Post analyzed the information--Bill Clinton gave 12 years of speeches and personally earned $105 million. Of that, half was amassed in the 4 years that Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State. How does this not make your skin crawl? This is legalized bribery.
http://nypost.com/2015/04/20/book-claims-foreign-c...

Good post. SB for free trade and free markets.

 

Dude, this is the new normal, get over it. Book deals, speaking fees, appearance fees etc. This has nothing to do with the Clintons. Look what Bush makes in speaking fees. Look at what others make - its all at those levels. If Clinton is getting a tad bit more its probably because he is just more in demand / presents better. All these people write books, do speaking engagements etc. All future presidents / politicians will get paid big bucks for this. If anything its the free markets at work.

It's just a sign of the times of the value that has been placed on celebrity in our society. Sports stars get paid so much more than they used to. Celebs get paid massive sums for showing up to bars/clubs. The anti Clinton dialogue on this topic is merely a manipulative construct that sows the fabric of the Clintons are evil narrative. But if you really look big picture its pretty normal and will become even more so.

 
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Dude, this is the new normal, get over it. Book deals, speaking fees, appearance fees etc. This has nothing to do with the Clintons. Look what Bush makes in speaking fees. Look at what others make - its all at those levels. If Clinton is getting a tad bit more its probably because he is just more in demand / presents better. All these people write books, do speaking engagements etc. All future presidents / politicians will get paid big bucks for this. If anything its the free markets at work.

It's just a sign of the times of the value that has been placed on celebrity in our society. Sports stars get paid so much more than they used to. Celebs get paid massive sums for showing up to bars/clubs. The anti Clinton dialogue on this topic is merely a manipulative construct that sows the fabric of the Clintons are evil narrative. But if you really look big picture its pretty normal and will become even more so.

This is such horse shit and you know it's horse shit. Bill Clinton was paid more than $50 million mostly by businesses and foreign governments while his wife was Secretary of State. There have been clear, inarguable "coincidences" that have occurred with the Clintons' official support of a particular issue and receiving Clinton Foundation donations and speaking engagement fees. I don't fault someone for voting for Clinton over Trump--after all, Trump is a terrible candidate. But how someone can stomach the Clintons' decades of ethical violations (and Bill Clinton's almost certain rapes of women) and shrug it off as not a big deal is mind-boggling to me. The Clinton family is amazingly corrupt and every honest person knows this. Just look at Hillary and the DNC's unethical behavior with Bernie Sanders. It's a microcosm for their corrupt spirit.

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There is nothing unethical about making money while in public service. Receiving money is only corruption in cases of quid pro quo. The Clintons are the most popular political family in the world, so they can get paid millions of dollars for speaking events. And just speaking at an event does not mean that the Clintons are somehow bribed.

If you ran for office and I invited you to speak at my company regarding your career in the real estate market, only the intellectually dishonest would jump to the conclusion that I am bribing you.

Correlation does not imply causation. Without quid pro quo, it is easy to string together various events in a dubious string of cause-effect and claim corruption.

 

Except when you are directly paid by the Saudis or other foreign government to have a chat - and your foreign policies directly backs them up. It's called a backhand. If I take a client out, take him to very expensive games, fly him to Monaco etc.... That's not allowed in banking anymore, because that's borderline bribing. The same thing is happening with the Clintons, on an extremely large scale. There is a vast difference between a retired politicians taking fees for public speaking and a politician IN OFFICE, or the husband of said politician still IN OFFICE.

It does not make it right, the fact that some politicians do that does not make it right. The fact that the Clintons have made an art of doing that makes it very scary. The fact that people are so blinded by their hate for Trump to see that makes it even more scary. I don't particularly like Trump, but at least I am not blinded by the fact that Hillary is an absolute crook.

 
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There is nothing unethical about making money while in public service. Receiving money is only corruption in cases of quid pro quo. The Clintons are the most popular political family in the world, so they can get paid millions of dollars for speaking events. And just speaking at an event does not mean that the Clintons are somehow bribed.

If you ran for office and I invited you to speak at my company regarding your career in the real estate market, only the intellectually dishonest would jump to the conclusion that I am bribing you.

Correlation does not imply causation. Without quid pro quo, it is easy to string together various events in a dubious string of cause-effect and claim corruption.

Except there have been at least a half dozen occasions of clearly quid pro quo bribery with the Clintons. So your point is moot. Quid pro quo is illegal in the United States.

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To be honest, I still believe that Trump's presidential campaign started off as a clever advertising scheme and my god did it work. A little too well of course, considering he ended up getting nominated. I think people tend to label him as a bigot without considering the fact that he is excellent at marketing. He has literally sold himself (no, I'm not talking about prostitution) to 43% of voting americans. That's impressive and requires a mental capacity of some form. His outrageous statements are nothing more than ways to bring his name up to the top of headlines. It's a more common marketing technique than you'd think. For example, the ceo of Ryanair has implemented a simular act in which he claims his airline will use even more outrageous cost cutting at the expense of the passengers. Of course nothing actually ends up happening in the long run, but the immediate effect is widespread media coverage. Now while I don't think trump would make a great president, I do admire his hustle.

 
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To be honest, I still believe that Trump's presidential campaign started off as a clever advertising scheme and my god did it work. A little too well of course, considering he ended up getting nominated. I think people tend to label him as a bigot without considering the fact that he is excellent at marketing. He has literally sold himself (no, I'm not talking about prostitution) to 43% of voting americans. That's impressive and requires a mental capacity of some form. His outrageous statements are nothing more than ways to bring his name up to the top of headlines. It's a more common marketing technique than you'd think. For example, the ceo of Ryanair has implemented a simular act in which he claims his airline will use even more outrageous cost cutting at the expense of the passengers. Of course nothing actually ends up happening in the long run, but the immediate effect is widespread media coverage. Now while I don't think trump would make a great president, I do admire his hustle.

I was a Romney guy during the 2012 GOP primary and a Rubio guy during the 2016 GOP primary so I have no innate affinity for Trump at all. But what I'm starting to realize is that things out in the "real world"--that is, outside of D.C., NYC, and San Francisco--are not quite as good as those of us in the "bubble" think it is. We--at least I do since I don't want to speak for you--live in a complete economic and opportunity bubble, almost totally insulated from economic harm. Both my parents had a college degree and getting a college degree for me was the next obvious step, and it helped that my parents simply stroked a check for the whole thing. But the American white working class is barely struggling along with stagnant wages and mass drug addiction and dying towns. Trump is speaking to them (although I doubt he'll actually help them). Trump speaks their language. And as maddening as I have found it, I have to say that it's at least made me wake up to the world outside of my bubble.

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But what I'm starting to realize is that things out in the "real world"--that is, outside of D.C., NYC, and San Francisco--are not quite as good as those of us in the "bubble" think it is. We--at least I do since I don't want to speak for you--live in a complete economic and opportunity bubble, almost totally insulated from economic harm.

This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..
 
Virginia Tech 4ever:
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To be honest, I still believe that Trump's presidential campaign started off as a clever advertising scheme and my god did it work. A little too well of course, considering he ended up getting nominated. I think people tend to label him as a bigot without considering the fact that he is excellent at marketing. He has literally sold himself (no, I'm not talking about prostitution) to 43% of voting americans. That's impressive and requires a mental capacity of some form. His outrageous statements are nothing more than ways to bring his name up to the top of headlines. It's a more common marketing technique than you'd think. For example, the ceo of Ryanair has implemented a simular act in which he claims his airline will use even more outrageous cost cutting at the expense of the passengers. Of course nothing actually ends up happening in the long run, but the immediate effect is widespread media coverage. Now while I don't think trump would make a great president, I do admire his hustle.

I was a Romney guy during the 2012 GOP primary and a Rubio guy during the 2016 GOP primary so I have no innate affinity for Trump at all. But what I'm starting to realize is that things out in the "real world"--that is, outside of D.C., NYC, and San Francisco--are not quite as good as those of us in the "bubble" think it is. We--at least I do since I don't want to speak for you--live in a complete economic and opportunity bubble, almost totally insulated from economic harm. Both my parents had a college degree and getting a college degree for me was the next obvious step, and it helped that my parents simply stroked a check for the whole thing. But the American white working class is barely struggling along with stagnant wages and mass drug addiction and dying towns. Trump is speaking to them (although I doubt he'll actually help them). Trump speaks their language. And as maddening as I have found it, I have to say that it's at least made me wake up to the world outside of my bubble.

Who's buying all of the overpriced iPhones in the US? It's not just the people in NYC and SF. There are plenty of people living off of social security and campaigning for even more egregious expansion of social security, whilst being equipped with the newest iPhone.

This isn't just in the US - it's a global trend towards European socialism. In developed countries, it's all the rage to shit on the productive, and take from them at gunpoint "for the greater good".

 

I live in SF, so I understand where your coming from. That being said, my situation is not normal in comparison to the majority of my extended family. We're the "lucky" ones in terms of wealth and education. The rest of my family are poor country folk from Ireland. While it's not quite the same as the rural areas of the US, there exists a simular mentality in terms of the methodology of improving and understanding a individual's state of living. As opposed to looking to oneself, many seek to blame others for their hardships. Which, to some extent, is understandable given that many parts of Northern Ireland have been immersed in conflict for the past several decades. Drug use is widespread and many individuals hold low paying jobs there entire lives. My point is, this is a problem that exists on a global basis because it's a ideology. The issues faced by poor white Americans are not going to be solved by simply electing one man. In fact, and I hate to say it, it's probably never going to end. Yes the populist movements we've seen this election convey the distain held by a large volume of Americans, but it doesn't take much to see that restructuring the entire world economy would be next to impossible. Money drives this world, and if a factory can increase their profit ratios by multiples by outsourcing factories to Mexico or China, you bet your ass that they're gonna do it.

 
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To be honest, I still believe that Trump's presidential campaign started off as a clever advertising scheme and my god did it work. A little too well of course, considering he ended up getting nominated. I think people tend to label him as a bigot without considering the fact that he is excellent at marketing. He has literally sold himself (no, I'm not talking about prostitution) to 43% of voting americans. That's impressive and requires a mental capacity of some form. His outrageous statements are nothing more than ways to bring his name up to the top of headlines. It's a more common marketing technique than you'd think. For example, the ceo of Ryanair has implemented a simular act in which he claims his airline will use even more outrageous cost cutting at the expense of the passengers. Of course nothing actually ends up happening in the long run, but the immediate effect is widespread media coverage. Now while I don't think trump would make a great president, I do admire his hustle.

It has been well-reported, from many internal sources, that Trump never intended to actually win the nomination. Everything he has done up to this point was to make money from the publicity. But I think the latter has been obvious to any intelligent person. Unfortunately, most of the common people did not and have not even considered this - they're fully convinced that he's as 'legitimate' of a candidate as Cruz, Kasich, Bush, Rubio, ect.

According to Kasich and Trump staffers, Trump even went to Kasich and offered him the opportunity to be "the most powerful VP in the history of the United States, with full power over foreign and domestic policy".

However, believe it or not, this may be a good thing. In terms of governance, Trump obviously has no clue what he's doing. That means that he's most likely - and I suspect this is why most establishment GOP figures have switched to fully endorsing him - going to give the GOP establishment full power over presidential decisions. It won't be Trump calling the shots - he'll just be the puppet of people far more intelligent than he is.

 
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To be honest, I still believe that Trump's presidential campaign started off as a clever advertising scheme and my god did it work. A little too well of course, considering he ended up getting nominated. I think people tend to label him as a bigot without considering the fact that he is excellent at marketing. He has literally sold himself (no, I'm not talking about prostitution) to 43% of voting americans. That's impressive and requires a mental capacity of some form. His outrageous statements are nothing more than ways to bring his name up to the top of headlines. It's a more common marketing technique than you'd think. For example, the ceo of Ryanair has implemented a simular act in which he claims his airline will use even more outrageous cost cutting at the expense of the passengers. Of course nothing actually ends up happening in the long run, but the immediate effect is widespread media coverage. Now while I don't think trump would make a great president, I do admire his hustle.

It has been well-reported, from many internal sources, that Trump never intended to actually win the nomination. Everything he has done up to this point was to make money from the publicity. But I think the latter has been obvious to any intelligent person. Unfortunately, most of the common people did not and have not even considered this - they're fully convinced that he's as 'legitimate' of a candidate as Cruz, Kasich, Bush, Rubio, ect.

According to Kasich and Trump staffers, Trump even went to Kasich and offered him the opportunity to be "the most powerful VP in the history of the United States, with full power over foreign and domestic policy".

However, believe it or not, this may be a good thing. In terms of governance, Trump obviously has no clue what he's doing. That means that he's most likely - and I suspect this is why most establishment GOP figures have switched to fully endorsing him - going to give the GOP establishment full power over presidential decisions. It won't be Trump calling the shots - he'll just be the puppet of people far more intelligent than he is.

At least, I'm hoping that this is the case, lol. An unleashed President Trump wouldn't just be disastrous for the US - it would be a disaster for the world.

 
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To be honest, I still believe that Trump's presidential campaign started off as a clever advertising scheme and my god did it work. A little too well of course, considering he ended up getting nominated. I think people tend to label him as a bigot without considering the fact that he is excellent at marketing. He has literally sold himself (no, I'm not talking about prostitution) to 43% of voting americans. That's impressive and requires a mental capacity of some form. His outrageous statements are nothing more than ways to bring his name up to the top of headlines. It's a more common marketing technique than you'd think. For example, the ceo of Ryanair has implemented a simular act in which he claims his airline will use even more outrageous cost cutting at the expense of the passengers. Of course nothing actually ends up happening in the long run, but the immediate effect is widespread media coverage. Now while I don't think trump would make a great president, I do admire his hustle.

Yep, he knows that the media feeds off anything controversial because it gets eyeballs and revenue. When he says certain things it's to generate free publicity. Like 9 months before the first primary and he mentions the "Mexico's sending rapists" thing. Has nothing to do with getting elected and everything to do with getting attention on his side. Brilliant marketing. He plays the media like a fiddle.

 
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I think people tend to label him as a bigot without considering the fact that he is excellent at marketing.

People label him as a bigot because the racist, sexist and xenophobic shit he says. I don't think anyone really is missing the fact that he is excellent at grabbing headlines. The two things are completely unconnected.

This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..
 

Isn't Trump that, a progressive conservative? At least comparably to Cruz and Rubio. He has really tuned down the whole Christian-God jargon, certainly support gay rights to an higher extent, abortion etc. For me as an outsider, he strikes me as more of a progressive conservative than the other republican candidates.

As for his opinion on immigration, foreign people and Mexico. If you import third world people, you end up with third world problems. Quite frankly, if you're not willing to introduce, accept and deal with third world problems in your country, you should support his stance.

 

Thank the lords there's no Morons4Hillary to contaminate this thread. At least the discussion's taking a fruitful turn.

To add my $0.02 here, the Democrats have a really strong ticket, with some really powerful voices expressing their support, but they just keep screwing up with some stupid scandal or the other. This late into the election season could be especially disastrous, when the campaign's canvassing for blue-collar votes and other swingers. Not that I'm some avowed liberal (Bloomberger here), but it seems that the Clinton campaign which could put out a really strong ideological message for the world through a massive landslide, just seems to mess up with novice mistakes. Like the email hacks. But then someone else could argue that Trump makes 10x those mistakes. imho, he's a genetic mistake altogether.

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Thank the lords there's no Morons4Hillary to contaminate this thread. At least the discussion's taking a fruitful turn.

To add my $0.02 here, the Democrats have a really strong ticket, with some really powerful voices expressing their support, but they just keep screwing up with some stupid scandal or the other. This late into the election season could be especially disastrous, when the campaign's canvassing for blue-collar votes and other swingers. Not that I'm some avowed liberal (Bloomberger here), but it seems that the Clinton campaign which could put out a really strong ideological message for the world through a massive landslide, just seems to mess up with novice mistakes. Like the email hacks. But then someone else could argue that Trump makes 10x those mistakes. imho, he's a genetic mistake altogether.

Suck a massive dick.

Trump is a moderate, socially liberal, populist Republican. His stance on trade is identical to when Kerry ran for president and in line with many democrats (Bernie and Trump are against TPP). Trump is pro-union which is a breath of fresh air. His policy on illegal immigration is the standard Republican. IMO, I cannot understand why anyone would not be for a normal immigration process. The shit we have no with sanctuary cities and not enforcing immigration is beyond absurd.

So what makes Trump a racist? Cause of a misquoted statement saying SOME (not all) of the illegal immigrants coming into this country are rapists (verified) and criminals (verified). This is a true statement. Mexico, along with every other nation in the world, has immigration enforcement and you cannot just show up and stay. Only in the ass backwards USA do we give illegal immigrants drivers licenses and have cities that refuse to cooperate with Federal immigration officials (BTW one true job of the federal government is enforcing immigration).

As for his Muslim ban, it is only temporary, within his powers and only until we get our vetting process up to date. Radicalized Islam is a serious issue and to be honest, even moderate Islam is incredibly fundamental and backwards.

Clinton is winning because the full establishment force is pushing her (and she still is unpopular, not trusted and not winning by a lot). She's outspending Trump 15-1 on ads, has every news agency pushing for her (with the absence of Fox) and has an administration that is basically covering her ass. The woman is beyond criminal and it is a travesty that it hasn't caught up to her. Her email server bullshit is shocking and what was going on in the DNC shows how fucked up that process is. Her spinning this bullshit that this hack was Russian is just another example of how she is never held accountable.

 

Sorry for the long post. Sorry PEREtzel for turning your discussion in a direction you did not want it to proceed in. Morons4Hillary, I'll try tackling your points one by one:-

1.) The world is going to keep evolving to a more automated one, where goods will keep getting produced for cheaper costs, whether blue-collar workers across the world like it or not. First, all the blue-collar manufacturing intensive jobs moved from Europe to the US, then from the US to China, then from China to the South-East Asian countries. Currently, China is losing ground in blue-collar manufacturing to the SEA countries. These jobs will eventually move to either somewhere cheaper (Africa?) where governments don't give a damn about unions anyways, or technology is going to advance further to compensate for lost manufacturing jobs by replacing workers with machines. Either way, I don't see anything good happening to blue-collars, unless they go into redefining their skill set to the changing world. The government obviously should play a very important role in this, and only Clinton is voicing this out, albeit poorly (maybe because she too doesn't give a thought actually). Sticking to the past isn't going to help at all.

2.) Regarding Mexican rapists, I can give examples of rapists in almost every community regardless of ethnicity. I can find Italian rapists, Arab rapists, Canadian rapists, German rapists, and WASP rapists. Simply characterising two contributing societies as 'rapists' and 'terrorists' to direct hatred at them isn't going to solve the problem. Regarding immigration, most illegal immigration does not happen across the border - it happens because illegals overstay on temporary visas and are able to easily hide from the authorities (I found this out from my Mexican slave Juanita who keeps my den clean - jk). We can seen what happened to Alabama after they decided to kick out and vilify a contributing part of the community. If illegals really were drug addicted useless workers, how come their employers prefer them over the lazier prison inmates and blacks and other impoverished persons?

The ideal solution would be to properly monitor these workers and follow up on their residential status through coordination between employers and law enforcement so that all sides benefit. They can work temporarily, then return to Mexico if they can't continuing employment, and so on... Although some liberal might want to call that kind of surveillance uncalled for, but it is necessary. Again, the onus is on the American citizens to show American employers that they are more productive than their Mexican counterparts. If that doesn't happen, I don't see why, in a free market, employers are allowed to go for cheaper, more productive labour for which they don't have to deal with strikes, etc.

3.) As for radicalisation, note that during the 2000 election, more than 80% of Muslims voted Republican for Bush. Then came Afghanistan and Iraq, during which a small community (1% of the US population), had to face the wrath of nearly every other side. By vilifying the weak, the US actually bred the terrorists on their own soil, just as anarchists grow in any other nation. When a community is severely restricted and excluded, some members choose to oppose that situation by inducing fear in the majority. In this display of machismo between communities, unfortunately lives are lost by the hundreds. Yet Trump's USA (his establishment), instead of reengaging with the troubled community, decided to shun them and ridicule Islamic law and stuff (through Koran burning, insults, etc). Sure some Muslims around the world are retarded as f%^& (read the radical Muslim idiots in Lutton, London, Al Qaeda and ISIS supporters), but the rest want peace as much as the next American. Tell me Moron, when you have a small bruise on your thumb, do you cut off your hand?

While some Islamic laws may be outdated, I frankly don't see any American Muslims following the laws to such a radical extent as in, say, Iran or Saudi Arabia. Most Muslims in the US have actually integrated very well with the US system, and actually do well in comparison to most other communities. The case of the fallen Muslim soldier serves this fact well. In fact, many actually come to the US to escape the severe regimes in other Muslim countries, and find respite here. Muslims in America actually serve as an example for Muslims in other parts of the world, a fact which ISIS resents and tries to topple with its own agents. At the end of the day, spreading hatred among Americans mainly disturbs the lives of Muslim population in the US in the end.

4.) Clinton might be a careless c&% for all I care and sure, like any other politician, she loves to play the blame game and is careless af. She might be a criminal for all I care, and totally unfit for president too. But she's at least not going around the country telling stuff like, "Hey, we aren't going to protect our allies in Europe because it's too expensive, so we'll let Russia take them by surprise!" or "I will negotiate a good deal with the psychopath leading the state of North Korea." She might be extremely negligent, and while she does a shitty job trying to act honest, that old c&^ is still seemingly better for most Americans because she is the lesser of two evils. Most of the media outlets support her because she has a huge budget and all, but everybody knows that she doesn't resonate well with the average American. But I don't see Trump doing that either. May be with a chunk of the blue-collars, yes, but not with the rest of young America (which is strongly pro-Bernie/anti-Trump)

Both candidates this season are shitty af, which is why America needs a multiparty system to represent the middle ground in which most of the voters fall into. The problem is not with the candidates per se or the voters - it is with the two humongous parties we have here that seem to take extreme stances, with insanely large warchests, fighting over a battlefield the size of a bathtub, while not letting any newcomer grow. Both parties had systems in place, through which they let shitty candidates pass through, while letting good candidates lag badly. Good job America!

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Holy shit...to someone that woke up out of a 2 year coma today and read your post they'd think this political campaign was the status quo...two politicians from two parties running a race based on issues, plans and solutions and debating their differing positions.

Treating Trump and his campaign as sane is just as insane as Trump himself.

 
Jamie_Demon:

Thank the lords there's no Morons4Hillary to contaminate this thread. At least the discussion's taking a fruitful turn.

To add my $0.02 here, the Democrats have a really strong ticket, with some really powerful voices expressing their support, but they just keep screwing up with some stupid scandal or the other. This late into the election season could be especially disastrous, when the campaign's canvassing for blue-collar votes and other swingers. Not that I'm some avowed liberal (Bloomberger here), but it seems that the Clinton campaign which could put out a really strong ideological message for the world through a massive landslide, just seems to mess up with novice mistakes. Like the email hacks. But then someone else could argue that Trump makes 10x those mistakes. imho, he's a genetic mistake altogether.

I actually don't agree that the Clinton ticket is a strong ticket. Of the 19 Republican candidates, 15 of them would have mopped the floor with her. The GOP's final two choices--Cruz and Trump--were the two worst general election candidates. At least the GOP chose the 2nd worst (Cruz would have been the worst general election candidate).

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