BOFA Analyst training call anti semitism -- follow up

Saw the thread from a few months ago about that girl that left herself unmuted on the BOFA new analyst training call -- was wondering what wound up happening to her. Don't want to dox her but seems like she was let go, had an employment gap, and now works in corp fin (T3 city in the south) in a job, that according to glassdoor, pays a third of what a banking analyst would make. Graduated with high honors from a top target while a varsity athlete -- all that gone in a split second after not muting a call. Crazy, but goes to show that you should always treat people with respect and act like someone's watching.  

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  • Intern in IB-M&A
May 2, 2021 - 9:59pm

Holy f. Is this accurate? Honestly crazy how far she fell. Seems like she deserved it though, people like that make me sick. Hopefully she's grown from that

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
May 2, 2021 - 10:18pm

It's pretty easy to find her linkedin -- the employment timeline is honestly kinda funny. Goes from BB IB Analyst to half a year of unemployment to Dollar General lmao. Might not be the worst thing for her tho, getting away from NYC and the IB ecosystem where everyone would know her as 'that girl' would be rough -- maybe this could be the fresh start she may need.   

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May 2, 2021 - 10:32pm

Holy shit. Valedictorian of her high school, magna cum laude from a top target, varsity college athlete, BB IB analyst. It's very unfortunate how far she fell for such a careless mistake. Would any of you give her a second chance?

May 2, 2021 - 10:38pm

I'd give her a second chance if she was important to the bank, but she's not. I don't think there is a need to do her any favors with "second chances" etc when there are a ton of other qualified, unproblematic kids ready to jump in and take her spot. 

May 4, 2021 - 2:33pm

Depends what you're asking. If I was at a rival shop and her resume comes across I don't care about the incident at all and would just look at her credentials. She got into a heated argument with her bf, and made a remark which some would find offensive while accidentally not unmuting herself. As a potential employer I know that she's already embarrassed herself at BAML and I think she gets the point to check her Zoom from now on. As for what she said, it's a personal argument between her and her bf... why should I even care? That's not my business and as long as she makes it past the interview phase, I would hire her. Now if I was VP+ at BAML would I give her a second chance? This is a tricky question because I didn't think the firing decision was made by one particular person but rather several departments (HR, Compliance, etc. were involved). Point being, I wouldn't have much say in the final decision and even though I wouldn't like an outright firing, there is nothing I can do about it. If the decision fell SOLELY on me, I wouldn't fire her, but encourage her to lateral (basically keep her employed until she finds the next job) not because of my own opinion but I realize it's going to be very difficult for her to get positive reviews or advance at the firm given what I know other coworkers would be thinking (look at how many in that other thread wanted her axed and even seemed happy by it).

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  • Associate 1 in IB-M&A
May 5, 2021 - 2:42am

The problem with this is you're focusing on her lapse of judgement in not muting herself but ignoring the fact that you would be knowingly bringing someone who holds racist views into your organisation. This suggests you are OK with the remarks behind closed doors (which is akin to saying you'd knowingly hire someone who's secretly racist).

  • Intern in IB - Ind
May 2, 2021 - 11:47pm

Damn this means she couldn't land ANY other job in high finance. I'd never do what she did, but her fall from grace frightens me. I can't help but feel somewhat bad for her. Imagine having to tell your friends and family why you're leaving your amazing NYC job for this. 

If I were in a position to give her a second chance, I would be very tempted to do so; however, I would also worry about how that may reflect on me.

  • Associate 1 in IB-M&A
May 5, 2021 - 6:43pm

I really don't understand why someone like this deserves a second chance. Can you explain the logic? It certainly isn't an honest mistake but rather a lapse of judgement which revealed her racist views. Id agree if it was her being off mute and saying someone is stupid and was fired. But its the content which can't be forgiven

  • Intern in IB - Ind
May 5, 2021 - 6:56pm

I just think if she's truly sorry about it, she should have a shot at a second chance. I guess that's just a difference in values. 
 

Though looking at her Twitter, I have a strong feeling she's not sorry about it. 

May 5, 2021 - 7:56pm

I really don't understand why someone like this deserves a second chance. Can you explain the logic? It certainly isn't an honest mistake but rather a lapse of judgement which revealed her racist views. Id agree if it was her being off mute and saying someone is stupid and was fired. But its the content which can't be forgiven

Well I think there is some grey area to whether what she said is racist. But let's assume for the purpose of this response is that it does.

I have two points to make

1) Why should I care what she thinks off the job? If I'm a potential employer I'm looking to see if she can get the duties of the job done well which are tasks like PPT formatting, errand work, etc. Yes, there is an element where she will need to work with coworkers including Jewish coworkers. But she hasn't actually had any instances of trouble inside a physical office or with her coworkers. What she said was a private comment to her BF that accidentally got unmuted. As long as she is professional inside the office and treats her colleagues with respect and gets the job done, why should her personal life matter? I reiterate that I would be an employer not Big Brother.

2) You're acting as if she would be the only person who holds private. discriminatory views in the office. Let me ask you a genuine question. Do you know any coworkers who when screening for resumes gives preference for someone based on race (not necessarily White) , gender (not necessarily Male), or sexual orientation? How about same school (alumni) or through family connections?  If so, by your own standards such a person would be a prejudiced bigot not just in words, but in deeds as well and using your logic should be canned and blacklisted from the industry.

To be clear I'm not condoning any of what happened or trying to say "this is the way things are, move on." But knowing the inner workings of this field it's hypocritical for you to paint you and your colleague wearing halos and seemingly "can't understand" why this girl shouldn't be blacklisted.

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May 4, 2021 - 6:39pm

fromtheshadows

It's Dollar General so it can't be raising price. Guess that leaves COGS cost cutting

Dollar General isn't the same as Dollar Tree... plenty of products over $1

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  • Analyst 3+ in IB - Gen
May 4, 2021 - 1:57am

damn, saw her LinkedIn. Feelsbadman. Also looks like BoA retained her for 3 months before she was let out, which was interesting to me since they didn't terminate her right after the incident.

  • VP in IB - Gen
May 4, 2021 - 2:23pm

Just goes to show how a silly error in judgement can erase everything you've worked for.

Assume she'll definitely need to go to business school to course correct -- or maybe this will somehow turn out to be a blessing for her

  • Intern in IB - Ind
May 4, 2021 - 5:36pm

If you were in her position, how would you explain to the b school why you left BofA M&A and had a 5 month employment gap only to take a job that's clearly below your qualifications? Would you just be honest and admit what happened and how you've learned from it, or would you try to hide it? 

  • Analyst 1 in AM - Equities
May 4, 2021 - 2:46pm

anti-semites should be punished just like any person who mocks others for their country/race/religion of origin. No exceptions. 

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May 4, 2021 - 3:21pm

Exactly. Let's get Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar fired just like the BofA girl. 

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  • Intern in IB - Ind
May 5, 2021 - 4:36pm

Lmfao she retweeted something about BofA spending $1Bn to fight racial inequality. Pure virtue signaling on her part.

May 5, 2021 - 8:00pm

Lmfao she retweeted something about BofA spending $1Bn to fight racial inequality. Pure virtue signaling on her part.

Let's get this straight. Almost all of those "programs" are virtue signaling. You see a dollar amount but where does all that money go? $1Bn is pledged "to fight racial inequality" yet poor minorities in NYC have such poor education that many struggle to even read and our left in the dust by their private school counterparts. $1Bn should easily put a massive dent in  this issue if it was properly pledged. How about these banks actually trying to go to Harlem and the poorer high schools and creating workships/internships to help these communities? I don't see any of that either.

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May 5, 2021 - 8:29pm

First person on this thread who works in CF - can you provide some clarity on the gross margin question (see above)? Interested to hear about this.

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May 5, 2021 - 8:23pm

For what its worth she her twitter shows she is clearly pretty hard core MAGA...so at least she was on brand. 

You're a hypocrite. I bet you have no problem with this girl being blacklisted from the industry for as you see it being a "bigot" yet you just generalized MAGA republicans (~30-40% of population?) to be racists, which by your own definition would be a bigoted remark. Yet evidently you have no problem with yourself and think you're morally superior to the girl in question. 

P.S. Trump outperformed his 2016 showing in every category except white males where he lost ground to Biden. That loss in ground with white males is what sealed his loss. 

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May 5, 2021 - 11:32pm

Why hasn't some MM hired her? Unless she just doesn't want to work in IB, there must be some firm willing to take a top tier candidate like her.

May 6, 2021 - 10:25am

Just read the comments in this thread and you'll see how many self-righteous people support her being blacklisted permanently from the industry.

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  • Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
May 6, 2021 - 1:40am

She likely was happy to go down South to a place where nobody cares about COVID anyways

  • Investment Analyst in HF - EquityHedge
May 6, 2021 - 2:45pm

clearly this person made a mistake and said things she should not have said.

BUT you guys are doxing and bringing out pitch forks over comments that do not seem as hateful as you are making them out to be (they were bad and inexcusable for sure but the malice you are ascribing to her feels unclear to me). I am in no way defending her comments or her, but you guys (as young people) need to recognize that people often need to completely fuck up to course correct and should be allowed to do that and then make a living.  

I have no clue if this person handled the aftermath well, meant what she said, is a good person, etc. but neither do you. so I would worry about making sure this stuff doesn't happen where you work and stop trying to spark a mob against a young person who fucked up that you don't know (unless there was way worse shit than what was on that instagram story last year)

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