Comparing EBs

Currently have offers from / interviews with a few EBs. Interested in hearing how people compare between EBs and which ones (if any) stand above the rest. Specifically interested in Evercore, Lazard, PJT, Centerview, and Moelis.

 

Evercore and Lazard are the most established banks out of that group. They both have a fairly large footprint (for EBs) and will place you anywhere you want to go afterward.

Centerview and Moelis are newer shops, and both have good dealflow. I've heard that Centerview likes to recruit those who will stay in banking, so they aren't fond of buy-side recruiting.

PJT is the newest of the bunch and has been growing their practice with some strong lateral hires. Great reputation carrying over from BX, and it looks like their exit ops are just as good as they have been in years past. Much more entrepreneurial culture.

Overall, all very good options and if you land more than 1 offer, go where you like the people.

 
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Whoever said PJT hasn't had any exits yet is incorrect. The 2015 analyst class all just transitioned to associate roles; that was the class that summered at Blackstone (after going through Blackstone's summer recruiting scheme) but returned full-time to PJT entity (whose official inception date is November 2015, four months into the analyst program and thus the name on everyone's resume during recruiting).

I can confirm Warburg, two to Berkshire, Harvest Partners, Spectrum Equity, Madison Dearborn, and Centerbridge as placements out of the M&A and R&SS groups for 2015, which is a touch under half the body count out of the class for both groups.

The 2016 analyst class is the first to be hired through PJT's summer recruiting scheme. It has a broader representation of schools than Blackstone's classes ever had. It'll be interesting to see what placement is like for them.

---> To answer the OP: Evercore, Lazard, and Moelis are all top-notch shops where you won't suffer for any lack of attention from headhunters. The analyst programs are rigorous and you'll get technical experience. The primary difference between them will be culture.

Evercore is known to be the least facetime-y of the bunch. That's not to say you won't work hard, but the difference between a baseline of 75 weekly versus 90 weekly is massive. Every classmate or friend I had there had not a single negative thing to say. They seemed like the happiest banking analysts I knew.

Moelis is known to be sweatshoppy and demanding. I have heard negative things about the culture there at the junior level, where you were expected to be around and available 24/7. The upside is that seniors are very willing and habitual to go to bat for analysts during recruiting, so when paired with the rigorous analyst experience, placements tend to be strong for the best performers.

Lazard is also sweatshoppy, but in less of a demoralizing way than Moelis. The (few) people my year I knew there were legitimately never around. I didn't see them. When we caught up years later, it was "Yeah, I worked a lot." Kind of hum-drum, no "and it was a shit culture", but no attempt to hide the fact that their life wasn't super bright and that they gained weight and broke up with their significant other.

Centerview is the place you want to go be if you're interested in being a career banker. It's a three-year analyst program, not two. Be aware of this; if you leave early, they'll claw back your signing bonus (which is something like 2x what most other firms offer: $50k last I heard) at nominal value (so you pay back $50k even though you got post-tax dollars at ~$35k or whatever). They invest meaningfully in developing you as a banker though, so you 'think' earlier than most junior bankers do. Interestingly, they also have major corporate clients on retainer for strategic advisory, so you're not just staffed on transaction or pitch work, you're exposed early in your career to the true value-add that a knowledgeable senior banker provides on an ongoing basis as a Trusted Advisor to a corporate leader or board.

PJT is the newest kid on the block. They've expanded headcount beyond what the legacy Blackstone advisory groups were, and done so at all levels. They've poached some really senior guys from the bulge brackets, luring them with the classic boutique 'eat more of what you kill' comp structure that's intoxicating to guys who can pull in eight-figure revenue deals. Add a rainmaker like Taubman at the helm and it's easy to see why heavy hitters would want to get on board.

They've also expanded their campus recruiting pipeline at both the analyst and associate levels. At the associate level, Blackstone used to take only the kids who had previous experience in finance. Meaning their M&A or R&R associates were all people whose pre-MBA experience was either 4-6 years in banking or two years as a banking analyst and a couple on the buy-side (this was usually at less-than-elite firms, meaning the candidates were stepping up in caliber by joining BX). Pair that with the usual MBA business schools ">M7 (and it was really biased towards H/W) feeder schools and the outcome was really capable associates who could contribute immediately and weren't the prototypical career-switcher associate who takes 12 months to get up-to-speed and lags behind the best second-year analysts.

In short, it's tough to say what the analyst experience will 'normalize' as. They're coming up on the two-year anniversary, so (i) there aren't enough datapoints on placement, and (ii) since the class size (though bigger than the legacy BX groups) is still small, there are fewer people for any of us to be able to get anecdotal insight on what the culture is like from.

There really isn't a single right answer. You need to figure out which culture is most attractive to you and where you'll best fit. Beyond that, figure out where you can get an industry-specific offer (if that matters to you). Beyond that, figure out where you'll have the strongest internal sponsor. That ultimately predicates the quality of your analyst experience. You could be at the best firm, but if you're iced as a solo player and have no alum (or even just someone who interviewed you who you really connected with) available to you as a more senior resource to answer questions, help backchannel for the real meat behind your performance reviews, and be an advocate for you internally ... you're going to have a way worse time than someone who's got that advocate but is in a theoretically weaker group at a theoretically weaker bank.

Good luck.

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Thanks man, this is very helpful. I've narrowed down to EVR and PJT and that seems to be a tough decision for a lot of people in this position but I think the point you made about having an internal sponsor is key, wasn't something I'd really beared in mind prior to this. Thanks again

 

You're welcome.

You aren't going to go wrong with either. If you have offers from any firm of this caliber, it reflects strongly on you as a person and young professional.

Be proactive. Get on the phone and take people for coffee. No one is going to think a single negative thing of you for telling them you want to learn more about their firm before making a decision. You'll earn a lot of respect by telling the people in charge of your process that:

  • you've identified that the boutique model is most attractive to you and hence you recruited and interviewed only with those firms
  • you have offers from W, X, Y, and/or Z firms
  • you've narrowed it to X and Y firms
  • you're realizing how integral to your success the culture and fit you are able to develop with the people you'll be spending so much time with and learning from will be
  • you'd love the chance to meet more people in the group to help you learn more and color this in

Do this and you'll witness how the locus of power shifts entirely to you. Once you've gotten an offer, the firm has told you it wants you. This is a rare instance where even at the most junior level of your career, you're being pursued, not doing the pursuing. They want to woo you.

With that in mind, someone who is able to illuminate that they aren't picking the firm randomly (understand what the boutique business model is and are aware what its dis/advantages are), are being thoughtful about approaching arguably the most material decision in their life to date, and want as many datapoints possible before making that decision is the very person they most want on their team.

All of a sudden you get to meet the group head, a couple different MDs, the lead banker for your campus (if you're from a target school), some of the VPs or associates who are more involved in whatever junior talent development program the firm has, and the analysts currently in the group who you'd be summering under and who will be associates at all the buy-side shops you want to recruit at when you're a first-year. This brings so many benefits.

If you do accept the offer at that firm, you're walking in with a tremendous internal network already and some, no matter how small, positive balance of goodwill. (This is stronger if you came into the office as often as possible [versus doing calls]. People will remember your face when its your first day on the job; you'd be surprised how much that helps with quality staffing, even as a summer analyst.) One thing I don't hear people mention enough is how important strong, healthy, broad relationships inside your company are to (a) your career progression and (b) your happiness or ease or sanity at work.

If you don't accept the offer at that firm, you still met (ideally) a couple dozen bankers of varying seniority at an elite firm. As long as you conducted yourself with character^, all of those people are still healthy contacts of yours. You have no idea the value that presents to you both today and tomorrow.

^(Here that means individually calling every person you met to express (a) how much you value their time and thus appreciated their generosity sharing with you whatever memorable insight they left you with, (b) how you've chosen to spend the summer at another firm for X and Y clear, indisputable reason and are excited to progress in your career, (c) how disappointed you are that you won't be able to spend the summer working with and learning from them, and (d) how much you'd love to stay in touch with them if they're willing to.)

Today it means that if you have a rough summer at whichever place you pick, you have a host of people at a firm you really like who already know you, rated you highly enough to give you an offer, grew to think of you even more highly as you demonstrated a level of thoughtfulness in considering the offer, and were impressed by your maturity declining the offer. That means you have the easiest in during the incremental hiring cycle (which now happens at blazing speed in late July or early August, unreal) if you need to secure a full-time analyst job because you either didn't receive a return offer or did but don't want to go back.

Tomorrow it means that you have an expansive set of relationships where the diaspora of those people you met presents a broad array of firms where you have a warm in for whatever you want: co-investor on a deal you're doing, financing source, industry insight for a space you don't know well, nonprofit boards you see a familiar face at and have an easy in if you want to join (or if you want to stack a board you're already on by roping in someone you know and trust), etc.

I can't tell you how many times I've been able to pick up the phone or shoot an email to someone I met at a firm I didn't end up working at who I have actively cultivated a relationship with over time who years later ends up being massively helpful to me on a deal I'm trying to get done. It's helped me move faster than I thought possible.

Good luck.

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I have many data points from PJT RSSG and they still have the best exits on the street:

Class of 2014 exited to King Street, Centerbridge, Hound, York, Darsana, Apollo pe Class of 2015 left to Blackstone pe, 2x Centerbridge, H&F pe, Silver Point, Governor's Lane Class of 2016 is going to Oaktree, 2x Centerbridge, Maverick, 2x Baupost, Apollo pe Class of 2017 is about to start recruiting and we will see how they do and don't think it will be much different

 

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