Georgetown University Online MSF

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Booyah!

Georgetown just announced that they are starting an online MSF. I would imagine this is the first step towards offering an on campus version. This is great news for anyone looking for a remote education and will compete nicely with the Indiana program.

I have a couple emails out to people and will try and learn more, but I wanted to let everyone know as this is pretty exciting news.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/georgetown...

Comments (167)

Jun 20, 2013

Great news. If they launched an on campus version it would be awesome, interested to see how it would compete with MIT.

Jun 20, 2013
jss09:

Great news. If they launched an on campus version it would be awesome, interested to see how it would compete with MIT.

I laffed.

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Jun 20, 2013

I actually think it would compete nicely with MIT. MIT would obviously be the top choice, but GTown's brand and reputation on the street would make it one of the top MSF programs.

I think this is a testing ground with an on campus coming in a couple years.

Jun 20, 2013

just checked their tuition for mba is over $2k/credit.. they better lower the price tag for this online msf thing

Jun 20, 2013

That would be roughly $64K for the program. Steep price, but I would imagine since this is online many of the students would have their employer pay for it.

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Jun 20, 2013

The IU online MSF is $1175 per credit, roughly $35K for the whole program. I think that with the flexibility it offers at that price, it's perfect for a professional who needs a degree but can't afford to take a year off to earn it. It's the exact same degree you get from completing their on-campus program, as well. Solves a huge issue for people like myself, who need to work and simply won't be able to take a year off any time soon. I'm a fan of these things and I hope that more schools start offering online options.

Jun 20, 2013

how does the undergrad finance program at gtown stack up?

Oct 21, 2013

According to the head of Graduate Admissions I just spoke to, the Undergrad Finance program is ranked top number 1. She did not, however, present a ranking source so take it for what it's worth. She also claimed that the McDonough School of Business is ranked number 5 for undergrad. Strongly considering the MSF program given Georgetown's street cred and 17 month length of study. Time is money.

Jun 20, 2013
teetongtoo:

how does the undergrad finance program at gtown stack up?

I would consider Georgetown to be a solid target.

Jun 20, 2013
teetongtoo:

how does the undergrad finance program at gtown stack up?

I don't have any numbers or solid stats but I knew a bunch of kids who went there and majority of them wound up in banking roles

Jun 20, 2013

Neither here nor there but in one of Third Point's latest letters Loeb comments on a new hire being Georgetown '09

Jun 20, 2013

I would love to do an on-campus MSF at Georgetown, doubt they will roll one out in time though.

Jun 20, 2013
ALF.:

I would love to do an on-campus MSF at Georgetown, doubt they will roll one out in time though.

Yeah, I think this is a couple years out. I should be speaking with someone there next week and I will inquire about the on campus option.

This is good news for the overall MSF community though. As more programs offer it more employers will know what it is and more attention will be brought to it.

Jun 20, 2013

Does it grant you access to OCR?

Jun 20, 2013

No word as of yet. Will find out sometime next week.

Jun 21, 2013

Thanks for the heads up. Getting top tier schools to offer a MSF is big. It will be interesting to see more details come out.

Jun 20, 2013
ksh206:

Thanks for the heads up. Getting top tier schools to offer a MSF is big. It will be interesting to see more details come out.

Yup. I am not sure why other schools have not jumped on this yet. If the schools offer elective, like Vanderbilt or MIT do, the only additional cost if really the one or two additional admissions staff they have to hire for the MSF. That is almost a 100% profit on the program.

Jun 20, 2013

So I got some more information. Program is going to be taught by Gtown professors so you get the same top notch education. The online medium isn't going to be your standard online class. It is really tech focused and should provide an much better experience. There will be a global consulting project that will get you together in groups and provide real world experience also.

All applicants are encouraged to apply so this isn't entirely for working professionals.

Jun 22, 2013

Doesn't 32 credits over 17 months seem to be pushing it for a part-time program primarily attracting working professionals? Assuming 3 credits/course, a student would need to take at least 2 courses fall/spring plus summer semester. I think most grad programs consider 9 credits as full-time so the emphasis on completing the program in 17 months seems unlikely for some working professionals.

Jun 20, 2013

It isn't just for working professionals, but yeah maybe there could be a stretch. Depending on how they do semesters I would consider it doable.

Jul 29, 2013

I just talked to the program manager about this today. If you can't keep with your cohort you have to basically pause your degree and start up with the next group.

Jun 23, 2013

I will get excited when they offer FT. This isnt an option for most msf candidates

Jun 23, 2013

Georgetown is a strong liberal arts school but it isn't exactly a math, stats, physics, and engineering powerhouse.

I see MIT (as well as some of the more flexible MFE programs) competing in a different market than Georgetown, Vanderbilt, and Villanova.

I think MIT will create a lot of PMs, traders (particularly the more complicated securities), maybe some financial engineers. I think Georgetown will create a lot of bankers and F500 corporate finance people.

Jun 23, 2013

Georgetown's undergrad business program is very good and places quite well into banking. But I agree with Illini that it's not strong in STEM, so it's going to place students into different jobs from MIT. I personally think online programs are worthless when it comes to actually getting good jobs, but I digress.

Jun 22, 2013
mbavsmfin:

Georgetown's undergrad business program is very good and places quite well into banking. But I agree with Illini that it's not strong in STEM, so it's going to place students into different jobs from MIT. I personally think online programs are worthless when it comes to actually getting good jobs, but I digress.

It seems many of the top schools realize online programs need to offer in person networking opportunities for their students which may be why some of the top programs require on site residencies such as Darden exec MBA and fuquas part time program.

Jun 20, 2013

MIT is definitely more quant leaning while still being a true corporate finance type MSF. The brand alone will probably help people obtain S&T jobs. But MIT cannot compete with a pure MFE program since their math requirements and classes are not at the same level or with the same type curriculum that a Princeton, Columbia, NYU, etc would have.

Georgetown's online program is a good first step and opens up the online space. Many people aren't looking to quit their jobs or are looking for a great education remotely. Currently you have Indiana, Penn State and Northeastern with an online option for those people looking for one. Now you can add Georgetown.

I spoke with the person who runs the program and he is pretty passionate about the specialized masters and is confident that the Gtown offering will not be a run of the mill online program. Obviously an online education isn't for everyone, but for those who are researching them I think this should be on their list.

Any way you slice it more MSF programs are a good thing. Increases viability for the degree and the more MSF graduates on the street the better.

Jun 23, 2013
jss09:

Great news. If they launched an on campus version it would be awesome, interested to see how it would compete with MIT.

LOL i hope you are joking there.

Jun 23, 2013
TNA:

MIT is definitely more quant leaning while still being a true corporate finance type MSF. The brand alone will probably help people obtain S&T jobs. But MIT cannot compete with a pure MFE program since their math requirements and classes are not at the same level or with the same type curriculum that a Princeton, Columbia, NYU, etc would have.

Georgetown's online program is a good first step and opens up the online space. Many people aren't looking to quit their jobs or are looking for a great education remotely. Currently you have Indiana, Penn State and Northeastern with an online option for those people looking for one. Now you can add Georgetown.

I spoke with the person who runs the program and he is pretty passionate about the specialized masters and is confident that the Gtown offering will not be a run of the mill online program. Obviously an online education isn't for everyone, but for those who are researching them I think this should be on their list.

Any way you slice it more MSF programs are a good thing. Increases viability for the degree and the more MSF graduates on the street the better.

MIT MFin is not interested in competing with MFE programs (which are just glorified computer science masters). It's a program housed by the business school and it is a true corporate finance focused (while you have the flexibility to load up quant-heavy courses should you choose to. but again, who would want to pay all that money just to learn some programming language or math class?). I know most of the graduates from the last few classes are placed in traditional IB/AM or Public finance (central bank etc.) in NYC/HK/Singopore/London with a decent number of grads in M/B/B corporate finance consulting roles too.

Again, it'd be stupid to compare MIT MFin with say MFE from Princeton/Columbia or NYC. apple to orange. Those programs train students to be quants/programmers, MIT Sloan's objective is to train students to be bankers/portfolio managers/consultants

Jun 23, 2013

I agree completely with this. MIT MFin is very different from Princeton mfin, Berkeley mfe, Carnegie mellon mscf, or even NYU msmf. Those other programs require a pretty strong math background, so they are geared towards producing quants at sell-side trading desks, prop trading, and hedge funds. MIT MFin, if you look at their job placement, is more oriented towards general corporate finance, consulting, asset management. Also, MIT's median age is only like 23 while Princeton and Berkeley are more slanted towards those with work experience.

Jun 20, 2013
greekisgreat:
jss09:

Great news. If they launched an on campus version it would be awesome, interested to see how it would compete with MIT.

LOL i hope you are joking there.

its not that crazy..current the only programs that compete with MIT are Claremont McKenna, Vanderbilt, Villanova, and WUSTL. given the UG reputation i dont see why Georgetown cant be as good or better than those. I didnt say it would be better than MIT, or even as good, but since there isnt much competition now I think they could be a bigger player in the future.

Jun 20, 2013

I think MIT operates in a league of their own. Once you start having Gtown and other top schools offering MSF degrees you'll see some competition.

Jun 23, 2013

I'm sort of irritated I will have to pull the trigger for applying next year. I bet a ton of fantastic top schools' MSF programs are going to go online in the next couple years

Jun 24, 2013

I think I am going to apply for this. Ant, did they say anything about admissions when you talked to them? I'm about to take the GRE and that would suck if they will only accept the GMAT.

Jun 21, 2013

You'll be fine with the GRE. As mentioned earlier, it looks like it will cost $2125/credit hour, or $68,000 all in.

Jun 24, 2013

Interested in this program, would like some info on the recruiting options though for people that do this MSF. Wondering what class stats they are looking to have since its online as well so could be potentially larger than others.

Jun 20, 2013

Not sure why people keep associating MIT with quant-heavy programs. That could not be further from the truth. Other than one or two classes, all classes are electives. It would be entirely possible to graduate with an MFin from MIT without ever having taken a quant class.

Jun 20, 2013

I think it is because MIT and Princeton often times compete for students, with Princeton being more math MSF focused. This is why I really only consider MIT to be within the MSF sphere, with Princeton being more towards an MFE.

@Yeahright - I will follow up and see about recruiting. The message I received was that the university is looking holistically at things so there aren't any arbitrary cut offs or anything. Work experience is a plus and Gtown will obviously be looking for strong stats.

Jun 20, 2013

Ya, you are definitely right. I just do not get why people keep lumping Princeton and MIT together. From talking to current admits, it seems like MIT is moving more towards favoring candidates with work experience, just like Princeton, but the quant part is nowhere near the same.

Jun 23, 2013
KKS:

Not sure why people keep associating MIT with quant-heavy programs. That could not be further from the truth. Other than one or two classes, all classes are electives. It would be entirely possible to graduate with an MFin from MIT without ever having taken a quant class.

Completely agreed. In fact, only 1 core requirement, which is named Analytics of Finance, is a mandatory course. According to current students, It is basically the hardest course offered at Sloan (academically speaking, since it's about stochastic calculus, econometrics, dynamics optimization etc.). Once you survive that, you are free to choose any other quant or non quant electives based on individual interests, which i think for most people happen to be more traditional corporate finance classes.

Jun 23, 2013
TNA:

I think it is because MIT and Princeton often times compete for students, with Princeton being more math MSF focused. This is why I really only consider MIT to be within the MSF sphere, with Princeton being more towards an MFE.

@Yeahright - I will follow up and see about recruiting. The message I received was that the university is looking holistically at things so there aren't any arbitrary cut offs or anything. Work experience is a plus and Gtown will obviously be looking for strong stats.

Well said - funny how both MIT and Princeton offer the same degree - M.Fin, but just with different approach and objective of how they place students.

Jun 21, 2013

Hey guys I have a phone call this afternoon with someone from Georgetown. Anything you want me to ask them?

Jun 24, 2013

I'm just curious to see what they want to talk about, especially since there isn't anything about admissions on the website. I have a call with them tomorrow morning as well.

Jun 21, 2013

Yeah same here. I was kind of surprised when I got a call the other day. I just expected a stock email when I filled out the "request more information" form.

Jun 26, 2013
KKS:

Ya, you are definitely right. I just do not get why people keep lumping Princeton and MIT together. From talking to current admits, it seems like MIT is moving more towards favoring candidates with work experience, just like Princeton, but the quant part is nowhere near the same.

Well MIT seems like an MSF combined with an MFE. You can't compare the whole program with other programs but if your goal is IB/Corporate Finance, I think you can compare that aspect with other MSF's and if your goal is Quant, you can compare it with MFEs. MIT can sort of get you wherever you want to be. You can make it probably as quant heavy as other MFE's or as little quant similar to MSFs.

That said, if they are going for more work experience, what is their recruiting to IB going to look like? Are they going to or have they started placing into Associate roles and competing with MBA's?

Jun 24, 2013

I spoke with someone from Georgetown this morning. I can confirm the $68K price tag. They said you take one class at a time in seven week sessions. There's a lecture early every week, then you can watch that whenever you want and assignments during the week, and there will be a live discussion with classmates and the professor in the evening or during the weekend.

They didn't have much to say about recruiting. Said they are still working with career services, and couldn't say whether or not MSF students would be able to attend on campus recruiting or not.

Jun 22, 2013

The rep seemed shocked when I told her other programs in the area were half the price as is Indiana's.

Jun 22, 2013

Also we didn't really discuss OCR too much but after I told her that I am happy with my current firm and am interested in the program to round out my knowledge base and not transition into jobs, she really encouraged me to apply.

Jun 27, 2013

68 k is ridiculous.

You could pretty much go to one of the top MSF programs for that much cash living expenses included.

Jun 20, 2013

totally not interested, just cuz of this 68k price tag...

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Jun 20, 2013

Keep in mind people that this program wasn't rolled out specifically for fresh out of schools UG's. This could be considered an MBA substitute and many firms will either fully pay or partially pay for a graduate degree.

And yeah. You could go to many other MSF programs for this price. But you'd also have to relocate, quit work for a year, etc. This program isn't for everyone.

Jun 20, 2013
TNA:

Keep in mind people that this program wasn't rolled out specifically for fresh out of schools UG's. This could be considered an MBA substitute and many firms will either fully pay or partially pay for a graduate degree.

And yeah. You could go to many other MSF programs for this price. But you'd also have to relocate, quit work for a year, etc. This program isn't for everyone.

Is it common for a program to roll out an online MSF as a sort of test run for a on campus version? Also, are there any other on campus MSFs that you might see coming onto the scene soon?

Jun 20, 2013

Really curious to see what type of stats are needed and how recruiting would be

Jun 20, 2013
jss09:
TNA:

Keep in mind people that this program wasn't rolled out specifically for fresh out of schools UG's. This could be considered an MBA substitute and many firms will either fully pay or partially pay for a graduate degree.

And yeah. You could go to many other MSF programs for this price. But you'd also have to relocate, quit work for a year, etc. This program isn't for everyone.

Is it common for a program to roll out an online MSF as a sort of test run for a on campus version? Also, are there any other on campus MSFs that you might see coming onto the scene soon?

I don't necessarily consider this a test run, but many times schools will start with something like this or restrict it to only UG students. MIT had an MSF for a couple years that was only open to UG students. Northwestern is now only open to UG students. Once there is a demand and a record it can be opened to others.

I think Michigan will start one in a year or so. USC will finally start their program. NYU will eventually have one.

Jun 20, 2013

Why do people keep bringing up the price tag? The price tag of a program should never be a consideration, unless there is a better program that costs less. If you went to a non-target, $68,000 for Georgetown is nothing. There is no price that can be put on being able to finally have OCR or anything other than no-name companies.

Jun 23, 2013
greekisgreat:
TNA:

MIT is definitely more quant leaning while still being a true corporate finance type MSF. The brand alone will probably help people obtain S&T jobs. But MIT cannot compete with a pure MFE program since their math requirements and classes are not at the same level or with the same type curriculum that a Princeton, Columbia, NYU, etc would have.

Georgetown's online program is a good first step and opens up the online space. Many people aren't looking to quit their jobs or are looking for a great education remotely. Currently you have Indiana, Penn State and Northeastern with an online option for those people looking for one. Now you can add Georgetown.

I spoke with the person who runs the program and he is pretty passionate about the specialized masters and is confident that the Gtown offering will not be a run of the mill online program. Obviously an online education isn't for everyone, but for those who are researching them I think this should be on their list.

Any way you slice it more MSF programs are a good thing. Increases viability for the degree and the more MSF graduates on the street the better.

MIT MFin is not interested in competing with MFE programs (which are just glorified computer science masters). It's a program housed by the business school and it is a true corporate finance focused (while you have the flexibility to load up quant-heavy courses should you choose to. but again, who would want to pay all that money just to learn some programming language or math class?). I know most of the graduates from the last few classes are placed in traditional IB/AM or Public finance (central bank etc.) in NYC/HK/Singopore/London with a decent number of grads in M/B/B corporate finance consulting roles too.

Again, it'd be stupid to compare MIT MFin with say MFE from Princeton/Columbia or NYC. apple to orange. Those programs train students to be quants/programmers, MIT Sloan's objective is to train students to be bankers/portfolio managers/consultants

And the funny thing is that the MFE programs are placing graduates into a lot of non-quant finance roles. NYU placed a kid at Bain Capital this summer, and I think another guy's interning in trading at DE Shaw. Princeton placed more traders than financial engineers this year, and also put a number of folks into Research, IBD, and Consulting. We had one PE placement. I imagine relatively similar stories will be told at Columbia, Cornell, CMU, Stanford, and Chicago.

MIT is a great program, but I'm not really sure you really need a graduate degree to learn corporate finance, and I'm not sure you need to be part of an MBA program to make connections with folks in industry. If you are part of a decent MFE program, and you know what you're doing, people in most parts of finance will be interesting in talking with you.

Finally, part of the reason you spend $100K on grad school at a top twenty school is to learn stuff you couldn't learn elsewhere- I still haven't found a textbook that teaches Girsanov's Theorem or Feynman-Kac. They certainly didn't teach this in undergrad at UIUC, and I don't think the graduate courses do it either. Behavioral Finance is a great course for learning to read financial papers and develop trading strategies. Again, that's typically not part of most undergraduate programs- even top fifty state schools. They may now offer it as part of Sloan's MBA program but it's a fairly calculus-heavy and stats-heavy (not to mention algebra-heavy) course if you teach it right. Typically, this is more of an MFE or Econ/Finance PhD course, but any good PM needs to understand it well.

I think you're selling MIT short to say that the curriculum is a mere subset of Sloan's MBA program. My view is that the average MIT MFin is a lot smarter (and much better at math) than the average Sloan MBA (or any other M7 MBA for that matter). I also think that if you spend a year or two and $100K+ on grad school and all you get is traditional corporate finance (that you could have learned in undergrad) and a job in IBD, you should ask for a refund.

Jun 20, 2013

MFE programs place largely in quant roles because people who are quants go into the program. You do a terminal grad degree to get a job.

People should stop comparing degrees and just focus on the end goal. At the end of the day no one cares what you studied just the end results.

Jun 24, 2013

Anyone end up submitting an application? They are accepting applications on a rolling basis and their ideal number in mind is 50 students split between two online sessions (25 per class). Can't decide if it's worth it for me, TNA might shoot you a PM and see your opinion on the matter.

Jun 20, 2013

Good to know, thanks!

Jun 22, 2013

Has anybody pulled the trigger on this?

Aug 27, 2013

Maybe I am just ignorant here, but wouldn't Harvard's MLA in Finance compete with this as well?

Sep 16, 2013

Anyone knows if they are asking for gmat scores for the application?

Sep 16, 2013

They prefer GMAT score between 660 or 680 and higher.

Jun 20, 2013

Online webinar coming up!

October 8th, 2013. Register here:

https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/328382457

Jun 22, 2013

Curious how others are interpreting this as we're now into Oct with the first class beginning January. Do you think they're reaching out because theyre having a tough time filling seats?

Jun 20, 2013

I just think this is their first year and their timing of info sessions might be a little off, nothing more. They have a lot to do for this first year roll out. Probably took a month or two just to put together that video they have now.

Jun 22, 2013

Understandable. I'm still surprised theyre charging almost $2k/credit for a first year primarily online-based MSF program. Its well documented Gtown undergrad is borderline if not a target, but Im just having a tough justifying the price. If it was on campus with recruiting then def yes. But the online format seems catered to working professionals, in which most firms these days are capping tuition assistance at ~$5k/yr.

Jun 20, 2013
td12:

Understandable. I'm still surprised theyre charging almost $2k/credit for a first year primarily online-based MSF program. Its well documented Gtown undergrad is borderline if not a target, but Im just having a tough justifying the price. If it was on campus with recruiting then def yes. But the online format seems catered to working professionals, in which most firms these days are capping tuition assistance at ~$5k/yr.

second this... i doubt there gona be many competitive applicants

Jun 24, 2013

I completely agree. I'm sure it is a great program, but I don't think it would do much for me at my firm, and they certainly aren't going to pay for it. I'm all for the education and I'd love to have Georgetown on my resume, but it would be hard to cough up ~$75k if I'm not going to get OCR.

Oct 2, 2013

As someone looking at MSF programs, I think it is too bad this is online. If 100% of it were on campus, this would be the program to attend behind MIT.

Oct 3, 2013

Have applied and should hear back by months end. Based on a conversation with a program director they are getting interest from a wide range of experience levels and backgrounds

Jun 22, 2013

I have a handful of friends who went to Gtown for undergrad and were very pleased with the quality and social experience. Tremendous upside here no doubt; I hope the program really takes off, just priced too high for somebody like me just looking for knowledge gain.

Jun 20, 2013

Anyone know whether you'd be eligible to participate in OCR? You have to be in person for a week regardless at the end of the first term so wouldn't they let you participate if you can physically be there?

Oct 3, 2013

Again just based on one conversation with a program manager but she made it seem like Online MSF students would be just another part of GU community and have access to same resources as everybody else

Jun 22, 2013

Perhaps. The timeline makes sense: begin in Jan, 17 months, graduate in June like undergrads. But you would be competing with the undergrads. Plus there have been tons of threads on here already describing how much time is dedicated to selling the MSF alone over BS in finance. On top of this you would likely have to answer questions about the online format as well.

Jun 20, 2013

Anybody sit in on the online webinar last night? Any thoughts?

Oct 18, 2013

@Matrick , quite honestly I was weighing both options of HES and Gtown MSF and for me, the Extension is superior because if you maintain a certain GPA >3.0 then you get access to some OCR, at the Georgetown MSF you would get access to the Career services dept once you have completed the program. and Harvard is roughly 1/3 the price of georgetown. The georgetown MSF isnt bad but the most bang for buck in my opinion is HES even though its Extension its still Harvard, plus I live near cambridge and going to the actual school instead of online is awesome especially Harvards very beautifully landscaped campus.

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Aug 27, 2013

That's a very good comparison, straight down to the relevant facts. I am thinking that Harvard has the better brand name, too.

In general, what others degrees can one pursue at reputable institutions? I know that Harvard has a variety of online degrees, but what about other universities?

Jun 20, 2013

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Jun 24, 2013

Just curious, I ended up not applying. Is there anyone planning on going through this program next spring?

Jun 20, 2013

Yeah I am.

Oct 3, 2013

Pinkpoloshorts - are you already in or waiting on a decision?

I got an admissions offer yesterday....pretty sure I will be doing it.

Nov 7, 2013

I spoke to a Georgetown MSF recruiter on the phone a few weeks ago and indicated that the $68,000 tuition was outrageous for a brand new program that is online. If I properly recollect, that person sounded like they agreed and that I wasn't the first person to indicate as such.

I guess if someone can gain access to the MBA program's recruiting it might be worth it. For someone like me who is getting a "check" mark next to my name so that I can progress in my industry, that price tag is absurd.

Jun 24, 2013

I agree, I really do like the program but the price point just doesn't make sense for me. My firm doesn't place much emphasis on advanced degrees unless it is a top MBA. So I would be joining the program to take a shot at high Finance in NY or DC, and I just don't know if this would give me $70,000 worth of a shot.

Jun 22, 2013
DCDepository:

I spoke to a Georgetown MSF recruiter on the phone a few weeks ago and indicated that the $68,000 tuition was outrageous for a brand new program that is online. If I properly recollect, that person sounded like they agreed and that I wasn't the first person to indicate as such.

I guess if someone can gain access to the MBA program's recruiting it might be worth it. For someone like me who is getting a "check" mark next to my name so that I can progress in my industry, that price tag is absurd.

I told the rep if I wanted to go the online route then I could enroll at Indiana for less than half the price. Or if I was in DC, then Hopkins was available for $35k. She had no response.

Oct 3, 2013

I plan to as well unless I get into one of the b schools I applied to.

Nov 7, 2013

Jesus, I didnt know it was 70k for an online degree with zero pedigree and nothing but the name of the school behind it. Thats insane. I cannot envision a scenario where it makes sense to pay that out of pocket.

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Jun 22, 2013

cool. good luck with everything. keep us posted if you dont mind!

Oct 3, 2013

My company will reimburse me in full. If i were to leave within a year of graduating I would have to pay it back. Only reason why I'm considering it.

I was off my parents' tab the day I graduated from high school.

Nov 25, 2013

Online MSF... not sure if srs

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'

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Dec 4, 2013

who else got in? I did but not sure based on price / lack of info on structure. it seems like they are getting small bits of info as it comes...

Jun 20, 2013

I'll try and follow up with them. I know a couple people who have applied. I think the program makes sense if you want to stay where you are and have a nice tuition reimbursement plan.

Oct 3, 2013

I've been pushing the rep I've been dealing with for a formal syllabus so I can get the ball rolling with my company for reimbursement. We spoke last Weds and she made it seem like end of this week is possible but more likely next....I'm probably going to call her today for any updates. I'll let you know if I get anything out of them.

Tipds - can you let us know your background/goals/etc?

Dec 4, 2013
CharlesBarks:

I've been pushing the rep I've been dealing with for a formal syllabus so I can get the ball rolling with my company for reimbursement. We spoke last Weds and she made it seem like end of this week is possible but more likely next....I'm probably going to call her today for any updates. I'll let you know if I get anything out of them.

Tipds - can you let us know your background/goals/etc?

im currently an investment consultant for a discount brokerage firm and just trying to make the transition to higher finance. undergrad in econ at umdcp

so far I got that its actually just 1 class a week..they dont know how many hrs. not sure if there are actually txtbooks or not. expect 25hrs a week of work..

Oct 3, 2013

On a somewhat related note, I also got into the part-time Simon MSF here in NYC. Curious on people's opinion of the Georgetown program vs. Simon in terms of how it would be viewed by employers, educational experience, etc.

here's a link to the Simon program http://www.simon.rochester.edu/programs/ms-finance...

Oct 3, 2013

Interesting. By 1 class a week does that mean people only have to sit in on 1 "live" class a week and do the other on their own time or that the website is inaccurate and there's only one required class a week?

Dec 4, 2013
CharlesBarks:

Interesting. By 1 class a week does that mean people only have to sit in on 1 "live" class a week and do the other on their own time or that the website is inaccurate and there's only one required class a week?

the calendar shows Wednesday and Thursday because they want to give us a choice of which live sess would be most convenient. maybe one will be at 6pm and the other at 8 or so. also just found out the online msf will have its own separate campus recruiting source

Dec 4, 2013
tipds:
CharlesBarks:

Interesting. By 1 class a week does that mean people only have to sit in on 1 "live" class a week and do the other on their own time or that the website is inaccurate and there's only one required class a week?

the calendar shows Wednesday and Thursday because they want to give us a choice of which live sess would be most convenient. maybe one will be at 6pm and the other at 8 or so. also just found out the online msf will have its own separate campus recruiting source

anyone else seriously interested in the program?

Jan 2, 2014

70k for an unestablished 18 month online program? Seems extremely expensive for what it is. I guess if a firm completely covered the costs it would be ok, but if that were the case then why not go the MBA or EMBA route? Or Why not pay 60k and do a real on campus MSF so one can get access to OCR?

Jun 20, 2013
mrharveyspecter:

70k for an unestablished 18 month online program? Seems extremely expensive for what it is. I guess if a firm completely covered the costs it would be ok, but if that were the case then why not go the MBA or EMBA route? Or Why not pay 60k and do a real on campus MSF so one can get access to OCR?

I agree with many of these points, but keep in mind that Gtown doesn't have an on-campus option for the MSF and I think this would compete with online MBA programs in many regards. For many people the online program wouldn't be ideal, but I think there are enough people who could benefit from it for this offering to work.

Jan 2, 2014

Yeah that's fair, I could see its merit, especially after a few years as a flexible option for financial professionals. Good on Georgetown and it would be cool if they could somehow work this into the undergrad program as well. Like a 5 year BA+MSF undergrad program.

Jun 22, 2013

What are initial thoughts from those currently enrolled?

Feb 26, 2014

I am also very interested to hear from anyone currently enrolled. Any new information? The next round of deadlines is coming up pretty soon. Let's keep this thread going...

Mar 10, 2014
23mishima:

I am also very interested to hear from anyone currently enrolled. Any new information? The next round of deadlines is coming up pretty soon. Let's keep this thread going...

Yes I am also very interested in the stats of people who are already enrolled. What were your stats ppl?

I work for a company that has tuition reimbursement and live in the DC area so I am very much interested in this program.

I spoke to someone in admissions and they said someone got in with a 550 GMAT which seems kinda low. I dunno what that means, but I guess they're trying their best to fill seats for the cohort.

Best,

Mar 10, 2014

You guys need to realize its 68K for 20 month program. SO divide that by two and you'll get the actual value of the program.

Its basically a two year program

Jun 22, 2013
M Dot-Gabriel:

You guys need to realize its 68K for 20 month program. SO divide that by two and you'll get the actual value of the program.

Its basically a two year program

You're missing the point. Run the numbers and look at the cost per credit, then repeat for pretty much any other MSF and you'll see what we're talking about.

Jun 23, 2013

I'm a huge georgetown fan but this seems like a massive waste of money

Mar 11, 2014

when I was applyin to MSF programs, these guys kept one calling me, almost every week, trying to sell me on their program. Just that alone screams "scam."

Nov 7, 2013

In fairness, it's a brand new program. They were probably just trying to fill their enrollment.

As far as the gmat scores, my guess is that that will start to go up pretty rapidly once the program is established. But the cost is outrageous--unless your company is paying for it or you are guaranteed on-campus MBA recruiting access then there is no justification for that price. It's an insult to everyone's collective intelligence.

Jun 20, 2013

I'll inquire if they have a prelim class profile.

Mar 11, 2014

The cost is outrageous
Definitely appears to be a cash cow program

Mar 10, 2014

Any new information from TNA regarding the stats of the accepted students?

I am applying for this Fall 2014 Session and wanted to know.

I take my GRE this month and am studying heads on. My GPA, LORecommendation, and Work Experience speak for themselves.

Any new info is appreciated.

May 6, 2015

I am enrolled in the program for this fall. You have full access to OCR and full access to all of the professors. If you are in DC, you can sit in on the lectures while they are recorded. They are also talking about doing a hybrid class as well as an on-campus option. There is also a recruiting agent specifically for MSF students.

Oct 23, 2015

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Oct 3, 2013

6 years of (re)insurance underwriting in NYC; poor GPA from a non-target; 680 GMAT

Only 1 week into program but enjoying it so far.

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Jun 20, 2013

@charlesbarks - How do you like how they have set up their online delivery system?

Oct 23, 2015

*anything on Johns Hopkins MSF as well, considering their geographic proximity

Oct 3, 2013

@"TNA" - I like it quite a bit. Its obviously not just like being in a real class, but its pretty close. It's easy for students to ask questions/make comments/etc without disrupting the experience.

Also, the video tutorials and other content for each unit works very well.

Jun 20, 2013

Good to hear. I'll have to hit them up and see if I can get access to a course module. Would love to experience it 1st hand.

Oct 23, 2015

Late post, but maybe this will help. I was just accepted, so here are my stats:
Econ/liberal arts double major from non target - 3.67 GPA
GRE: 147 math 157 reading
no work experience, straight from undergrad, one non-finance internship

If you've applied/are considering the program, I'd love to know what your decision is as I'm still trying to figure out if its worth the investment

Oct 23, 2015

I'm also thinking about this program... since I have nothing better to do while working my BO job (with a non-finance background), but the cost is really making me think twice..

Oct 23, 2015

Former Navy Nuclear Engineering Officer, B.S. 3.0 GPA in Engineering, 640 GMAT. Currently a cost analyst with a DC consulting firm

Oct 23, 2015

Very cool, interested in this.

Oct 23, 2015

omg Georgetown has the prettiest campus! kinda wish i went there

Oct 23, 2015

Asking for a friend - is the program targeting kids straight from undergrad or professionals with a few years of experience?

Jun 20, 2013
mbahopeful:

Asking for a friend - is the program targeting kids straight from undergrad or professionals with a few years of experience?

I've talked to them before and they are open to a variety of work experience, but I will pose the question again to them and see if they favor one applicant over another now that they have started seeing applications for their first year. Thanks for the question!

Jun 20, 2013

Bump. I am going down Thursday in case anyone has any questions.

Oct 23, 2015

Can you see if they have any information on placements?

Mar 10, 2014

Hey TNA,

Is there any stats that you can give us......or stats of people that have already gotten in?

Thanks

Mar 10, 2014

ANY New info TNA?

Jun 20, 2013

I briefly looked into but really couldn't justify the price. @TNA should have some good insight

Jun 20, 2013

It all depends. If you did a full time program you'd lose a years salary. If you had to move you'd also have to include living expense. IMO, this program is great for people who are working and want to move up in this job. Especially those with tuition help.

The program is expensive, but it makes sense for some people.

Feb 26, 2014

I'm in the program. I think it's definitely worth it, but I don't want to seem like I am a shill for my school. If you have specific questions, PM me and I'll do my best to answer objectively.

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Oct 23, 2015

@"TNA" @"23mishima"

How receptive are the alumni of the school considering that it was an "online" degree? They will be able to easily infer that since you were working in another city. Can you leverage the Georgetown undergraduate alumni network or are you limited to those from this MSF program?

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Oct 23, 2015

This is what I was wondering as well. Would I be considered a Georgetown alumni or would the school really not recognize that I got a degree from Georgetown? Basically do you get a the Gtown email address?

68K is a lot and it's the same price as Villanova (with living expenses) without including the loss salary

Feb 26, 2014

Let me put it this way; members of the first and second cohort are already moving to set up student government representation and gain approval and funding for an MSF investment fund. I have a Georgetown ID card and a georgetown.edu email address. I have full use of the campus facilities and the ear of my professors and advisers.

That said, this program (and I suppose any advanced business education) is really what you make it. This type of education is just barely starting to be accepted as legitimate. How we represent ourselves and how we represent the program is going to have a huge effect on how successful it is. Georgetown is all in in terms of credentials and support, including career services and the alumni network, but it will take work to bridge the networking gap and overcome the "online" stigma.

So if you are looking for the program that's going to baby you until you graduate and then plop your fat ass into a cushy MD or CFO chair, this is probably not the one for you. On the other hand, if you're willing to work hard at it, there is a great opportunity here to leverage the Georgetown brand and get to one of those seats. And frankly, if you are uncomfortable with a little uncertainty, you might be in the wrong business.

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Oct 23, 2015

Are you located in the Georgetown region? Why would Georgetown give a student ID card if it's an online degree?

Jun 22, 2013

Out of curiosity, what type of internships and/or job offers are the 1st/2nd cohort students getting?

Oct 23, 2015

Not sure if this will be of any help, but I've been looking into the program myself and came across this article that sheds some light on the inaugural class. Had trouble finding any stats on the GU website for the online program.

http://msfhq. com/georgetown-master-finance-program-visit/

Oct 23, 2015

my biggest issue with the program is that it seems like a money grab

* No scholarships
* 68K price tag for an online degree (That's more than every other program and more than Villanova and Vanderbilt including living expenses)
*Different OCI from the rest of the school

But how do you justify charging 68k which is more than a semester at Harvard Business School

Jun 20, 2013

The blunt answer is they can charge this because people are willing to pay. The price goes down even more if you have an employer that does tuition reimbursement. Gtown has to charge a certain price or else they could dilute themselves. Just because it is online doesn't mean it should be cheap.

FYI, same professors teach it. They take up a room in the business school to film it. You have production costs, etc also. The program includes an international trip (pretty sure) as well as an on campus aspect. Lot of costs that wouldn't be involved in a more traditional MSF.

It isn't right for everyone, but I am glad their is an option.

Oct 23, 2015

Is the on campus and international aspect included in tuition?

Jun 20, 2013
Withoutapaddle:

Is the on campus and international aspect included in tuition?

From my understanding, yes it is.

The 20-month MSF online program consists of 32 credits:

Six core courses
Three selective courses
A weeklong On-site Residency
Capstone Global Consulting Project

Experience Georgetown University: On-site Residency

This weeklong residency occurs after students complete their first two core courses: Financial Markets and Financial Accounting. While on the Georgetown University campus, students will work together on a case study competition, experience the Georgetown University campus, and get better acquainted with their classmates and professors.

Go Abroad with the Global Consulting Project

This capstone project challenges students with an invaluable real-world experience. Drawing upon the skills you have learned throughout the program, you will conduct a consulting project for a firm in another country. Students will research the history, business, political and regulatory environment of the client's country as well consult with them via e-mail, phone and live video. The project concludes with a weeklong visit to the client's country during which the students will finalize their project, present it to the client, and enjoy business and cultural site visits.

Oct 23, 2015

@"23mishima" Can I start the program in fall or spring?

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