Give It To Me Straight

Adding to the litany of posts in this category.

3.4 at non-target private, double humanities major, junior/senior GPA looking like a ~3.6
680 GMAT (V: 47, Q: 35)
terrible sophomore year academically due to family issues (divorce and major parental illness)
Excellent ECs: Stud. Govt. Pres. Pres. of volunteer organization, substantial community service experience, RA for 3 years, student advisor to univ. president
Summer internships w/ healthcare consulting firm and construction supply company
URM-Black

Interested in consulting or social entrepreneurship post-grad

Any point in applying to R2 for HBS 2+2 or Yale Silver Scholars? Figured I might as well try, but still on the edge.
Connections at Ross, also considering Booth, Tepper, McCombs, Caroll

Backup plan: MHA/MHSA then go for the MBA later on.

Anyone I should take off or put on that list? Thanks for the help.

 
Best Response

Depends on your interests, if they are seriously top tier consulting or "banking" --

Your 3.6 is fine with 2 years experience. You are going to get dinged immediately for HBS 2+2. Why I say this is your peers who were rejected are 4.7/5.0 MIT, perfect SAT, 760-780+ GMAT. My other buddy with a 780+, perfect GPA at Brown, etc etc. Same or better EC's. Non-URM though. Top tier internships at BB banks, MBB consulting, or serious NGO activities (UN stuff).

Bring up that GMAT to a 700+ over this Fall. It can be done. I got into the W (didn't apply to the H-S) with a 3.6+, 730GMAT, a lot of internship/work/business experience. Non-URM. (Asian).

If you interned at Triage, it's a plus. Essays are big, but recs at the younger level, are a big deal as well. Later on when you get older, only bad recs can hurt you.

 

Your quant score is very low, even if the composite is not a big deal breaker. Even as an URM, your Q score will be a huge red flag to adcoms because 35 is not simply moderately low like 43-45, but it actually suggests that you may have problems with simple algebra. I suggest that you retake it; otherwise your chances are really dicey. If consulting is one of your career choices, I don’t see it happening with that quant score, at least not for the top firms.

The other problem is that you don’t have full-time work experience. I’m not sure why you want to do an MBA now. Most employers will not even interview you given your lack of career history. I’ve seen very few people like you at my school and they all struggled to get jobs and eventually got something that is generally considered crap.

I think HBS 2+2 is close to zero. Yale is a huge GMAT whore so although you might have a better shot there, it will be hard. I don’t think Booth will take you with no experience. Ross is doable considering your URM status (for some reason they are big on diversity), but still not 100% sure as you have no work history. Don’t know about Tepper or McCombs – they seem more doable. I wouldn’t apply to Caroll as I don’t think it’s worth it, but that’s just me; however, it’s the most doable of all, as you might guess.

If you had some full-time work history, I’d say that you stand some chance, but when you put everything together, it does not look good.

In sum, if you want to do an MBA, get a higher quant score and at least 3 years of experience.

 

Your quant score is embarrassingly low. It indicates that you can't do basic math. If you weren't black, your app would be a total joke at the top 15 b-schools.

No shot at HBS 2+2. And the other M7 schools are not going to happen either without fulltime work experience. After you've worked for 2-3 years and raise your gmat quant, then you'll have a shot at the M7.

 

Thanks to all of you for the advice. I had been doing better in quant on my practice tests (Manhattan, was averaging a 44-47 Q) so I'm not sure if I just had a bad day but I plan on retaking it next month.

I know work history kills me. To be honest I don't see myself having any good experience options post-grad given the job climate and humanities background. I know some people will grumble and say go grind it out and find something and maybe I'm paranoid but I don't think it looks promising.

I'm more focused on chances at Ross, Tepper, McCombs, Kenan-Flagler and that level. HBS, Yale and Booth were mainly "might as well send in an app" considerations.

 

juxtak,

Most MBA programs (with the exception of a few) like to see at least 2 years of work experience. I recommend gaining work experience before directly applying (I'm referring to Ross, Tepper, etc. here).

Regarding the GMAT, if you feel you can improve your score I recommend taking the test again. The reason is because your score is self-reported on your business school application, so MBA admissions teams will only focus on your highest score.

Hope this was of help.

Cheers,

Conrad and the Stacy Blackman Team

www.StacyBlackman.com
 

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