Simple yes or no with an explanation if you seem fit.
Background checks?
Assault Weapons ban?
Red Flag Laws?
Handgun bans? (DC had this ban in 2008 but SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional)
Preparing for my family Thanksgiving dinner where guns are a hot topic. Gimme your thoughts so I can add some substance to this debate.
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I can think of a hundred topics better for the Thanksgiving dinner table.
not doing any research but synergy is a chill bro so I'd most likely agree with him on this.
more importantly, let me give you some other thanksgiving topics
costumes for family harlem shake video (I miss this, I want it to come back)
favorite sex positions
water on toothbrush before or after applying toothpaste (except for aunt Liz who's a fuckin weird hippie and brushes her teeth with a brush she made from tree bark and uses mint leaves or some shit, fuckin Liz)
memorable psychedelic experiences
everyone make your own card for cards against humanity
dead baby jokes (bringing these back too)
fuck marry kill - roulette. it's where you put your TV on scan (kinda like the radio) and it flips channels randomly, pick any 3 people on TV and play FMK)
favorite conspiracy theory - mine is that jeff bezos is getting everyone's addresses in an attempt to mind control everyone. mining asteroids for cobalt? bullshit, he wants access, he will become the omnipotent one
drinking contest - guarantee you can destroy your 8 year old cousin going shot for shot
airing of grievances (I know it's a Festivus tradition) - start with yourself, say all of your roasts, and then get a beer and watch shit start going down
you're joking on the sex position topic right
no/no/no/no
Yes, no, yes, no. Everyone is entitled to their own safety, but if they are a harm to themselves they could potentially be a harm to someone else.
Yes/No/Yes/No
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anyone who says yes to red flag laws is a statist piece of shit who wants the police to illegally invade your home without due process
no/no/no/no
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
what do you think about safe storage laws
anything that restricts the right to bear arms is illegal
Yes NO NO NO
Good luck at Thxgiving. I'll need it too haha.
Essentially this, although I might lean a bit more to yes on 2 and 4.
That is a very creative way to answer yes to all 4 questions. Works for me.
Are WSO members allowed at your Thanksgiving day meal? Asking for a friend.
Why are non of your family running for president? Total waste of talent and fit
Make Thanksgiving Great Again!
No to all of it. No to guns even being a topic in this country.
Nothing wrong with gun control if it can be done without harming our efforts to solve bigger problems. But obviously political capital and legislative energy is very scarce, and should not be wasted on these trivial matters.
That's right, I said trivial.
Run the numbers on gun deaths. Then take out suicides and shootings by cops. Notice how much smaller the number gets. That's the number of accidental and violent gun deaths.
But we're not done. Not even close. Now look into some of those deaths. Maybe sample a few. Notice how none of them would've been prevented by any of the gun control measures being proposed. They're basically all cases of legally owned guns either used or taken from someone who would've passed a background check. Very few involve so-called assault weapons.
With these proposals, we are talking about saving dozens of lives a year versus the many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of lives that may be saved by addressing issues on health care, economy, national security, environment . . you name it.
Once you consider the problems we're diverting attention from because we invested political resources into gun control (on both sides), I would argue the gun control debate kills a lot more people than guns do.
Good points but I think you operate under the assumption Congress would be productive in other areas without the gun debate, which I don't think is inherently true. I'm also very jaded, neither of us can prove or disprove my hypothesis.
Heart disease is a big problem in the US. There's too much money in pumping food full of sugar and unhealthy stuff to make a dent there. Cancer is not that well understood but it gets a lot of attention because it's so horrible. Suicide is big and gets very little attention. By next month, an estimated ~50,000 Americans will have taken their lives in 2019. Depression is still not believed to be true by everyone. But that is a cultural thing, not so much political/ dictated by Congress. I do think better understanding our brains is important.
I'll pick on cancer as an example. This is overly simplified, but there is a clear slowing in progress owing to the fact that not a high enough % of the country is educated about cancer. We have the educated professionals (docs and researchers) but we don't have the adjacent pressure coming from industry, consumers, regulators etc.
As of right now cancer is being fought on a variety of fronts. Some cancers respond to chemo. Others respond to metabolic intervention. Others respond to gene therapy. Others respond to disruptions of angiogenesis. Others respond to immunotherapy. And thats just a few examples.
But what's most promising (and frustrating) at the same time is this: most cancers respond best to a complex and carefully strategized combination of the things I listed above.
We have lots of experts in each of those sub-areas, we don't have enough over-the-top guidance to manage it all, optimize custom treatment plans, keep track of the latest research and allocate resources strategically in a unified fight against cancer. Read a handful of 'my cancer story' blogs and you'll no doubt come across stories where the person has gotten wildly different recommendations from different clinics because we haven't advanced our synthesis of information enough.
To do that we need smarter patients, more responsive economic incentives for hospitals and pharma, better regulatory oversight and a whole host of other things. Long story short we need a much better societal and economic machine to optimize our processing of all that gets invested in this battle. To apply pressure in the right places and so forth.
Why don't we have that . . well damn there's a million things I can blame for why we don't solve any problem, but I'll start with the fact that national conversations sometimes get diverted to issues that seem big but are really small by comparison.
WSO is largely comprised of males and I am sure some of them agree with your comment. Out of curiosity, how do you think your content and tone would be viewed by a female?
Let's not do your usual beating around the bush thing, where you decide based on my views that I'm some sort of insensitive sexist meathead, and then you politely word your comment as though you don't think that. The truth always comes out a few comments later. So lets just skip that step and how about you tell me what's so offensive about the tone in my comment?
Finally some good fucking KNOWLEDGE I would also add to keep in mind, the truly insane amount of guns in this country while you look into gun deaths
Well, you can still have views on what the most appropriate legislative environment on guns should be while saying it should not be a priority (although I have yet to find a gun control advocate who can agree with that statement). Granted, it makes the thread less interesting in a way, but the fact that it is less pressing/ useful than other issues does not mean the result should definitely be no legislation at all.
Could even be a quadruple yes and still say that it should not be part of the conversation.
To me, if something is a poor use of time, I'm against it.
You also can isolate this further. Once you get down to the actual number of gun deaths that were a crime then you will notice the largest percentage is in a handful of cities.
The whole reason I wanted to work in IB was so that I would have enough to purchase a fighter jet and tank
I got more guns than felonies at this point
It was neck and neck there for a minute until Bob's Guns had their Black Friday sale early
Edited so I can respond line by line
Reasonable if implemented appropriately Figure out how to define them well, previous issues have included my M1 Carbine, which fires a glorified pistol round (Winchester 30 cal) This shouldn't be on the same list as the AR15 and AK-47 Yes. Probably worthwhile.?/No/No/No
Are you talking about UNIVERSAL background checks? You are aware that background checks are already performed on every gun purchased from an FFL (including gun shows) correct? Right now in some states you can buy through private sale without a background check, that is the only exception. However it is still illegal to sell to someone who wouldn’t pass a background check, so it’s best to require the purchaser to get one either way. I support universal background checks as long is there is a carve out for family members. I shouldn’t have to get a background check to borrow my uncles .30-06. I would say a carve out for friends too but that would be too difficult to define.
Luckily no murders, mass shootings, or accidental shootings have been committed with a family member or friends' gun, so this makes complete sense.
Happens all the time and usually the firearm is stolen from the family member(who should have stored it better), not given to the shooter. Problem is CRIMINALS don’t obey the law. Even if you implemented universal background checks for any and all gun purchases, that’s not going to stop someone set on shooting people.
Another poster said that gun deaths are trivial in comparison with other issues which is true, but I still think it needs to be addressed. I think we should focus our efforts on security rather than trying to stop people from getting guns. Ever heard of any inner city school having a mass shooting? No because the kids go though metal detectors every day. IMO every school should have this and multiple armed guards.
Respectfully, The background check system has been intentionally sabotaged. Computerization is actually forbidden (This is a serious WTF) and the default response for not being done with the check is to approve, which is just wrong.
The damage done from a 5.56 NATO/.223 Winchester or 7.62 is very different from a 30 cal fired by a M1 Carbine.
Full on banning of short arms makes sense in an urban environment, and since most of the US lives there and it is impossible to filter, I think it needs to be universal. I'll give up my P38 and Detective Special for it.
Shrek2OnDVD if you get into it with your relatives, look at the convo above this comment. this is exactly why you don't want to get into this over thanksgiving
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