Is NYU Stern's(undergraduate) reputation increasing?

With the release of the new Poets and Quants 2020 Undergrad rankings it has Stern in 4th place, just behind Wharton, Ross, and Mcintire. However, based on Poets and Quants data, NYU Stern is much more selective than Ross and Mcintire as it places third in selectivity as well as third in employment outcomes with only its 17th finish in academic experience dragging it down. Moreover, NYU as a whole ranked 29 in USNWR similar to prestigious schools like Tufts(tied 29th) and UVA(28th) while lagging not far behind schools like Georgetown(ranked 24th).

I know that NYU Stern hasn't always had the greatest reputation on this forum, but as NYU's overall reputation increases, can we expect NYU Stern to become more prestigious than it already is?

 

I would agree that NYU's overall lower prestige/ranking compared to Stern in the past might've held it back in some way as some people seemed to shit on NYU for being a bad school but I don't really think that it's the case now. Even though Stern has always been prestigous for IB maybe this prestige increase will make it more a target for MBB. Also I looked at P&Q and its insane to me that Stern now has a 7.6% acceptance rate and is more selective than schools like Cornell and Brown

 

I think for overall prestige it's still: US news top20 undergrad > stern.

 

I'm saying that it varies on a case by case basis. For IB, there is 100% no doubt that Stern is much more prestigous while for consulting it's pretty close.

Also USNWR rankings as a whole suck since schools might be T-20 on there while they're T60 on another ranking.

 

Disagree. If you take all majors into consideration, WUSTL, Rice, Vandy are definitely better than NYU and Stern, and they are more competitive and harder to get into. For Stern, you only need a 3.7 to internally transfer into it, so it's pretty easy to get in if you're already in NYU.

 

It's difficult to compare "selectivity" for these undergrad-B schools because schools like Ross and McIntire are primarily from those who apply from the school internally and those acceptance rates can't be compared to applications that are open to the public like Stern.

 

Yeah NYU Stern's reputation is defintely increasing. I think in the next few years NYU might be able to break into T25 for US News so it'll defintely help out Stern.

 
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This thread reeks of insecurity. For Stern's sake, I hope it's the same kid posting all of these comments (seems like it is). Lose the chip on your shoulder, Stern is a fine school. Suggesting that people would take Stern over an actual top 20 school is just making the school look bad. I don't know a single person who took Stern over even schools like Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Mich, and UVA, let alone the Ivies.

 

Agree with you on the insecurity of this thread. FWIW though, most of my class at Stern chose Stern over the schools you mentioned, including lower Ivies (Brown, Dartmouth...)

 

So they say, but I went to a pretty top HS (think Andover/Exeter) and I can confidently say that not one person who went to Stern from my year chose it over even lower Ivies.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, but pretending like people would rather go to Stern than Dartmouth or Brown is when people will start raising their eyebrows at you. No dog in this fight at all. I personally think Stern is one of the top five schools you can pick for a job in IB, but it’s not Ivy level (again nothing wrong with that).

 

I don’t go to Stern, and I can’t see anyone choosing it over a Brown, Dartmouth etc. That said, it’s pretty misleading to say no one would choose it over a school like ND or Mich - people choose Stern over schools of that caliber all the time, and arguably with good reason.

 

T20 schools are overhyped on this forum and Stern gets a lot of shit on this forum. In real life, people choose Stern over T20s most of the time. The only schools people would choose definitely over Stern are mid-tier Ivies and above like Colmubia, Duke, Penn, etc.

 

Dyson is super underrated, but at the same time ur in fierce competition with Hotel school students which makes it super hard to get IB jobs. (This is a joke btw)

 

I don’t go to any of the schools mentioned on this thread but why did you think that joke would be funny?

 

Stern is a great school, but I don't think that anyone would choose it over any Ivy+ unless you were stuck in a shitty school/major at Cornell. At the same time, I would agree that it has similar/more prestige than some T20s listed above like Vandy, WUSTL, or Rice. Both Stern and Ross are a lot harder to get into than NYU and Mich respectively, which is why I think they carry separate prestige from their parents universities. In my case, I would choose 100% choose Stern/Ross over lower-ranked non-ivy T20s.

 

Was perusing WSO to see any coronavirus impacts being discussed here. Came across this instead so I thought i would add my perspective.

For reference, I graduated from NYU 4-5 years ago and currently work in PE. In my group of friends and club members while i was at NYU there were a lot of folks who went with Stern over a wide range of schools (Emory, Cornell, Duke, Chicago, Columbia, Berkeley, UPenn / Wharton, Dartmouth, strong state schools, etc.). My old roommates dad forced him to go to Stern over Brown even though he was probably more of a fit at Brown.

The NYC environment, finance reputation, flexible curriculum, overall fit at the school, and job opportunities are what drew most people to NYU and Stern in particular. I don't know if the reputation of the school is increasing or not, but I've never once had any trouble getting through the door anywhere because i brought my experiences with me (experiences that i was able to foster during my undergrad years in NYC).

Your likability, experience, and overall economic value you bring the table (whether its strong underwriting, deal finding, cost-saving, people-managing, relationship building, etc.) will matter so much more than what school you go to.

When we invest in companies and management teams, the school they go to does not matter. What matters is their performance and reference from other people whohave worked with them that can vouch for their abilities. Some of the best performing management teams in our portfolio of companies are from random schools and are so much stronger than others who are from ivy leagues / Top20. Our strongest CEO amogst our companies actually happens to be from NYU (not Stern but Gallatin or CAS i think). When he runs a board meeting he is very compelling, has excellent ideas and the ability to execute on those ideas quarter after quarter.

If i could offer some advice, try work on bringing something other than your school to the table.

 

Agree with your point but remember WSO is UG students in a pissing contest trying to rank everything to be able to feel better about themselves, it can be their School, Bank, Group etc.

You're too far in real life that you are able to nuance things like these and see a wider picture about individuals - I am based in Europe but decided to not go to one of the London unis that arguably has a higher prestige for a lower ranked uni outside of London to developp my social skills, yet most students I speak to think this was an absurd descision, I somewhat regretted it at some point. Now that I made it into IB I realised how social I became and don't regret a second of it.

 

So your way of rationalizing your school choice is "to developp [sic] Your social skills" and it apparently was a good decision as you "realised [sic] how social you became".

Talking about being too far in real life. Your argument right there would immediately discredit you. Any decent working professional and/or serious & applied student who has in fact been too far in real life would understand just how silly that looks.

 

I graduated from a private top 20, and I'd say most people would take top 20 (except UCLA) over Stern. Stern is undoubtedly more selective than the rest of the school, but so is CMU's CS program. Honestly, I'd say NYU's math department (Courant) and graduate schools are what is really helping the NYU brand. After making med school tuition free, Langone jumped to top 5. NYU Law is consistently T14. The Courant Institute is one of the best math departments in the world. In all honesty, undergrad is one the major blemishes of NYU. When I was in highschool in 2016, around 50 students in my class of 250 students received offers from Stern. However, only 4 students ended up matriculating. The rest all went to top 20 schools or schools like CMU/Berkeley.

From a strictly finance standpoint, NYU is a great school with great location. However, the NYU Undergraduate brand will never be truly elite. I grew up in northern NJ and whenever you talk to someone who goes to NYU Stern. They don't say "I go to NYU"; rather, they say "I go to NYU Stern." This kind of insecurity kind of admits the lack of prestige the NYU undergrad reputation holds.

I think the important thing to consider here is "prestige" vs "outcome". I'd say NYU Stern is not as prestigious as top 20 private schools. However, it is a good school in a prime location for finance, which Stern ultimately benefits from.

Target Schools closely align with Prestigious Schools but Target != Prestigious

 

Yeah but the question has to do with NYU Stern specifically, not NYU as a whole. Stern has a life on its own and is prestigious in business and especially in finance.

Also, top 20 includes schools like Vanderbilt, Rice, WashU, and Notre Dame, and I can guarantee that the vast majority of people will pick Stern over those.

 

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