Is Roger Federer The GOAT?

Last week Roger Federer emerged victorious at Wimbledon, winning his 19th Grand Slam and his 8th Wimbledon title. Fededer has won 91 of 102 matches at Wimbledon, since his first appearance in 2003. This article places him 4th in all time tennis players behind Helen Hills Moody, Serena Williams, and Steffi Graf. However, this article makes the argument that he indeed is the GOAT of tennis.

So what about being the GOAT in terms of all sports, Federer has to have a spot fairly high. This article places Federer alongside Leo Messi, Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, and Tom Brady as the 15 most consistently successful modern athletes. Bleacher Report names Federer the 11th greatest athlete of all time, behind Tiger Woods, Bobby Orr, and Babe Ruth.

  • What do you think? Is Federer the GOAT of tennis? Top 10 greatest athletes?
 
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You can't be the "best" when you are ranked behind a woman in an athletic endeavor. Given the disputable but "talking point" stat that Johnny Mac said if Serena Williams played in the Men's league she would rank 300 means that Federer is the GOAT...at tennis. How can Serena be ranked above Federer when she would be ranked 300 currently if there were no gender divisions in sports.

 

Federer is most likely the GOAT in tennis at this point in time. The first article is just weird and the second one makes sense. Overall, I find it incredibly difficult to compare athletes across sports in order to rank them.

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Even comparing the same sport across different eras is incredibly problematic. The NBA's huge shift to a 3 shooting league - Larry Bird averaged 1.9 3 point attempts per game for his career. Also, today's required dedication to exercise and nutrition has never been higher. I think a lot of great players from previous eras would not cut it today.

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He is the greatest of all time in tennis for sure. He is definitely in the top of being the greatest in all sports. Not in terms of athleticism but in the term of dominance. Best argument for this is that he finished, in 23 straight grand slams, in semifinals or higher during his peak. He has won 86% of his matches in major tournaments. Not to mentioned winning 2 grand slams this year at 35 years old...

 

Huge Tiger fan here, but not sure how anyone can rank Tiger ahead of Fed at this point. Fed's had a long period of sustained excellence than Tiger, and has arguably been equally as dominant. In the .01% chance that Tiger resurrects his career and wins a couple more majors ala what Fed has been doing, then I think the comparison would be really close.

 

Comparison was really close in the 2000's. Now, not so much. I think Tiger Woods is like the Mike Tyson of golf. Both were absolutely enigmatic and miles above their competition in their prime but never reached the GOAT due to personal choices.

 

That Bleacher Report is all sorts of nonsense. The Telegraph putting Messi in the consistently successful athletes is... questionable (you can argue Spain and Germany have had more complete teams than Argentina since Messi's rise, but not winning a Copa America is inexcusable considering the squad Argentina has had).

But Fed is the GOAT of tennis, no question. His longevity in an very competitive era, the way he plays... the best.

 
Marshmello:
You're comparing apples to pears in my opinion. From the standpoint of appreciating the level of tennis/athletic complexity, Serena's game isn't even in the same existential dimension as Rogers. Anyone in the collegiate or professional ranks will tell you that there are college guys & even junior boys players under the age of 18 that can double bagel Serena & any other WTA player for the matter no questions asked. The mens sport is so multidimensional from the standpoint of power, speed, variation in shots, &** even amount of sets played** lol. Not trying to be sexist here, but that is a fact that must be understood in consideration of the difficulty mens tennis professionals in the ATP have to face.

you're an idiot for even mentioning serena vs. men players.

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WalMartShopper:
sorry but serena is goat of tennis. her first grand slam was 3 years prior to federer by the way.

men's will always get the most attention, but serena is a dominant force that will not be seen again for some time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achie...

Federer is competing against the big 4 constantly during what is a golden age in tennis, the next gen of young players is also forming and are very competitive (Raonic etc). He has to play these superhuman modern tennis types like Djok' and Murray (6'4" , wingspan covering 1/3 of baseline, faster, more conditioned etc) and he is still whooping people's ass.

Serena is great but the competition she faces is weak, no comparison

 

this only reinforces my point. the fact that for the past 24yrs she's literally owned everyone almost all the time, with a much better record than federer. it's like saying mayweather didn't fight heavyweight where there are more big names means he isn't a great fighter. youre painting a bullseye around your arrow. i could easily flip that argument and say that serena's game is so elevated beyond the competition it's uncanny...and if you look at her accomplishments you'll realize this is the case.

dutchduke:
WalMartShopper:
sorry but serena is goat of tennis. her first grand slam was 3 years prior to federer by the way.

men's will always get the most attention, but serena is a dominant force that will not be seen again for some time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achie...

Federer is competing against the big 4 constantly during what is a golden age in tennis, the next gen of young players is also forming and are very competitive (Raonic etc). He has to play these superhuman modern tennis types like Djok' and Murray (6'4" , wingspan covering 1/3 of baseline, faster, more conditioned etc) and he is still whooping people's ass.

Serena is great but the competition she faces is weak, no comparison

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Let me put this there so that we understand the difference between GOAT Athlete and GOAT Tennis

Deion Sanders: All around athlete

He was drafted in college by the New York Yankees and spent most of his MLB career with the Atlanta Braves. Sanders used his speed well, stealing 186 bases in his career. He’s the only player to ever hit a home run and score a touchdown in the same week.

Speaking of touchdowns, Sanders is one of only two players to score a touchdown six different ways: rushing, receiving, kick return, punt return, interception return and fumble return; talk about versatility. In his time in the NFL, Deion was voted to eight Pro Bowls, won Defensive Player of the Year, won two Super Bowls, and was eventually inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

The man who ran a 4.1 40 at his pro day is arguably the greatest cover corner to ever play the game.

(Bleacherreport)

DC
 
SeekingAlphaDC:
Let me put this there so that we understand the difference between GOAT Athlete and GOAT Tennis

Deion Sanders: All around athlete

He was drafted in college by the New York Yankees and spent most of his MLB career with the Atlanta Braves. Sanders used his speed well, stealing 186 bases in his career. He's the only player to ever hit a home run and score a touchdown in the same week.

Speaking of touchdowns, Sanders is one of only two players to score a touchdown six different ways: rushing, receiving, kick return, punt return, interception return and fumble return; talk about versatility. In his time in the NFL, Deion was voted to eight Pro Bowls, won Defensive Player of the Year, won two Super Bowls, and was eventually inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

The man who ran a 4.1 40 at his pro day is arguably the greatest cover corner to ever play the game.

(Bleacherreport)

Deion is a great athlete, no doubt. However, he is not the GOAT of tennis. Should be obvious, yet this is the topic at hand. Thus, why Deion Sanders has not been mentioned so far. I know it seems strange to you, but, in time, you will understand that people were simply answering the question. Not the question they wish was asked.

Alternately, you could try for a role in politics.

 

I understand your point ! Was just pointing out the fact that even though Fed is a great tennisman ..I do not consider him top 10 athlete (like he asked at the end of his post)! Definitely GOAT Tennis!!

DC
 

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