Moving to New York City

As I'm sure many others are, I'm preparing to move to NYC to start my career at a BB bank. However, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to go about transporting all of your belongings. Is it standard to go up with basically just clothes and order furniture from IKEA, should I try to box up and mail some of my personal belongings, etc.?

Mainly would like to hear what the best way to go about furnishing a new apartment is.

Thanks.

 

I'm coming from about 1,000 miles away

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I just moved to NYC a few months ago. It really depends, like Bobb said, on how far away form NYC you live.

I think ordering everything at Ikea and have it all in one shipment to your apartment is probably your best, most cost effective option. I would also check out craigslist ads as well for cheap furniture around your neighborhood.

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on your apartment. You will likely not be there that much anyways.

 

Are you staying in a sublet or nyu? Most likely you'll need sheets and towels, which you can buy there if you want. In fact, the main thing you need is your work clothes. I'm a girl, and I didn't pack much last year, and I found that I could have packed even less. You really don't need to have stuff shipped to you, unless you really think it's necessary. Of course, I drove to NYC last year, so I was able to fill the car. If this isn't an option, just buy towels/sheets/blankets at Kmart when you get there, which will save you luggage space.

 

You won't need much more than clothes and sheets.

Other assorted things that you need you can pick up once you get to the city, and it'll probably be cheaper to do so than shipping it. If you're driving or taking a train rather than flying, there's definitely no reason to ship anything - if you were flying, you could possibly want to ship a box of shirts or something, but even then, the extra bag charge probably is more worthwhile.

 

I am moving from the South to the City to start working Jan 3, so I will share my experience looking for an apartment.

My roommate and I tried to use Craigslist to sublet an apartment on our own, but it was too time consuming, especially not being in the city to go to open houses, etc. Easiest thing will be to find an apartment broker and work through them, which is what we ended up having to do.

Ours is a short term lease, so we got a reduced broker fee, but be ready to put up 3 months rents (1st month, security deposit and brokers fee) when you sign your lease.

We had a friend in NYC who went to meet the broker and look at the apartment for us. The brokers will list theirs on Craigslist, but make sure that you aren't searching "No Fee" apartments. Also, ours is a short-term furnished and I know that the process is more complex for long-term, non-furnished so someone else might be able to help you out there.

 

If you already have the job lined up take the opportunity to do whatever makes you happy this summer. Those opportunities don't come around often later in your career.

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Get a roommate if you're looking to live in a decent place.

PM me if you're looking for a roommate. I'm moving there this summer as well and need a roommate ($1300-1500 budget).

 

Agree with getting roommates.

For what you should do with your free time, you could travel, bartend/learn something new, volunteer, basically whatever makes you happy. My friend is in a similar situation, but she wants to try to temporarily work at a McDonalds just so she could see what that side of life is like lol.

 

apt hunt on craigslist since buyer has to pay a broker fee if you use one. Try to get a rent controlled appt if you can find one in the city, very underpriced to the market. Although you'll get flack for being a "Bridge & Tunnel (B&T)", don't ignore NJ (jersey city-grove/newport). Lots of guys in finance work there and the PATH runs 24/7 and the cost of appts is 20-30% cheaper than standards in nyc. Also when in NJ you avoid city tax on about everything.

Also if you like to workout NYSC is the cheapest of all the decent clubs, at least it was when I was there. To get the cheapest rate join a local club in a suburb, don't pay for passport access, and just use your local access in the city. Technically it's not allowed but the front desk people are too lazy to really care and they will let you work out. Can save you like 20/30 a mo since city clubs are priced much higher than suburbs.

Enjoy and have fun in NYC, one of the best cities in the world.

 

If you are going to live in a high rise, contact building management directly (to avoid broker fees).

Question- do you have a job or are you looking?

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Jersey is terrible. The PATH runs 24 hours but only ever 30 minutes or something awful like that after 10pm. Plus it only goes to midtown and the west side. Good luck getting back from a night out in the east village. Also if you live Jersey a cab is never an option. Not worth the rent discount if you ask me.

Check the UWS, UES, and parts of Brooklyn.

 
Boothorbust:
Jersey is terrible. The PATH runs 24 hours but only ever 30 minutes or something awful like that after 10pm. Plus it only goes to midtown and the west side. Good luck getting back from a night out in the east village. Also if you live Jersey a cab is never an option. Not worth the rent discount if you ask me.
I'm from Jersey and this is true. If you're working in IBD, forget about Jersey and move as close as possible to your office. If you're in a role where you can commute 30+/- minutes a day, Jersey might be worth it. If you're working downtown, check out Brooklyn, Battery Park, and the area right around WTC for cheap single rooms. If you're midtown, check out UES, UWS, Forest Hills, Long Island City, or dig around for a single room by Grand Central: despite the sky high rents you can occaisionally find a room there for a good price.

The problem is no so much the commute to and from work, it's when you go out and realize that you're an hour away from sleeping and it's 1AM. Short walk+Taxi/traffic+subway+??? = it's never the projected '20 minutes'. The other thing is this: if you're not in the city, you're missing out on meeting a lot of people. I'm moving to NYC at some point simply because I'm sick of the long commute after networking / hanging out. You'll save a few bucks in the short term living on the other side of the Hudson, but in the long term you'll likely earn less money because (1) you're less connected and (2) you're worn out from traveling around.

Get busy living
 
socola2003:
for all your hatred of jersey, just remember if it were not for the jersey shipping ports there would be no products to sell/buy in beloved NYC. And don't forget the giants play in jersey.
I love Jersey and grew up there. It's just a shitty commute if you work in NYC. If I worked in Philly, I'd say the same thing about NYC.

NJTransit, on the other hand, well, I have nothing nice to say right now so I'll just keep my yap shut.

Get busy living
 

NJtransit is disgusting, ill give you that, but then again it doens't have the throughput as MTA so the LIRR is much nicer. Now if you compare NJTransit to Chicago CTA, NJTransit wins hand over. CTA is piss poor.

 

Lived in Jersey my whole life, but I wouldnt recommend living there when working in the city until you have a family and are settling down...you'd be surprised at how much the commute eats into your day..

currently i have a 10 minute bike ride each way for a commute. Definitely pay the extra money to live by your office..you'll thank yourself when you get an extra 2 hours added to your day

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the 300 bucks a month is a massive diffrence when you take into account taxis and other unnecessary travel expenses that can be avoided by being walking distance..

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When you say budget is 5 - 6K do you mean that is how much you have to move or how much you are willing to spend on rent & expenses per month?

I'm going to guess your apartment is on Park Ave, Lex Ave, 5th or 3rd Ave (between 30 - 60th street). Maybe Madison. Most firms are. Either way how close you want to be to work?

If you have that amount and are looking to be in Manhattan my suggestions would be Murray Hill (loads of young guns here/recent grads), Upper West Side, Financial Distrcit, Battery Park and possibly park ave (some apt rent for 3800 - 5000k, rare but can be split with roommates)

If you don't have incredibly long hours (>75) I recommend looking at parts of Brooklyn and Queens mostly because rent is about 1/2 - 3/4 of the price, expenses are cheaper and you will save a ton. Not sure if you care about savings though.

Down payments for places in Manhattan can be 5K alone, if you don't have a roommate. Some landlords might be lenient and ask for job verification because in certain neighborhoods they get recent grads a lot. Don't know about this.

 

Murray Hill -1 . UWS, Greenwich Village, West Village

If your personal monthly budget is $5-6k then you can find a very nice apartment by yourself.

Not sure if "hopingtobreakin" actually lives in NYC or not, but proximity to work should not be a determining factor at all. Honestly, anywhere on the westside, you can get to midtown in 10-15 minutes.

And if you are going to be a PE associate, I doubt you need to be cheap and go to Brooklyn or Queens. Manhattan or bust.

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Agree with yeahright except about UWS... ok this guy is a bro who is going to be working in PE, you don't live in fucking Astoria or Bushwick, you get a place in the West Village like an adult.

OP - Murray Hill is for people who want to party but can barely afford to live in the city but want to be close to J-Tree and Bro Js. It's a good time but it's College 2.0. You have to think about the stage of your life that you are entering... Sure, you could do the Murray Hill thing, but my guess is that you are a bit too refined and wouldn't enjoy it (it gets old really quickly and the chicks won't be impressed with the location). UWS isn't terrible... it's quiet and you will get more bang for your buck, but it's also a $15 cab to get to any of the social hot spots like East & West Village, LES etc.

Your budget is a bit excessive (doubt you should be spending $5k a month on rent given your salary) but you can definitely find some solid places in the West Village given that price range (especially if you take on roommates), which is where you want to be if you want the lifestyle and want to signal to people that you've arrived.

The restaurants, bar scene, and overall nightlife in the West Village is awesome, and it conveys to women that you are in the right head space - you have your shit together with a good job, you live in an enviable social neighborhood that they frequent anyway, and you are looking to have a good time.

 
rufiolove:
Agree with yeahright except about UWS... ok this guy is a bro who is going to be working in PE, you don't live in fucking Astoria or Bushwick, you get a place in the West Village like an adult.

OP - Murray Hill is for people who want to party but can barely afford to live in the city but want to be close to J-Tree and Bro Js. It's a good time but it's College 2.0. You have to think about the stage of your life that you are entering... Sure, you could do the Murray Hill thing, but my guess is that you are a bit too refined and wouldn't enjoy it (it gets old really quickly and the chicks won't be impressed with the location). UWS isn't terrible... it's quiet and you will get more bang for your buck, but it's also a $15 cab to get to any of the social hot spots like East & West Village, LES etc.

Your budget is a bit excessive (doubt you should be spending $5k a month on rent given your salary) but you can definitely find some solid places in the West Village given that price range (especially if you take on roommates), which is where you want to be if you want the lifestyle and want to signal to people that you've arrived.

The restaurants, bar scene, and overall nightlife in the West Village is awesome, and it conveys to women that you are in the right head space - you have your shit together with a good job, you live in an enviable social neighborhood that they frequent anyway, and you are looking to have a good time.

Holy shit I agree entirely +1

I only put UWS to not sound too bias towards my neighorhood, I live in West Village and agree restaurants, bar scene, nightlift and overall convenience to everywhere in the city is stellar.

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OP, could use some more info. If you have a family and plan on settling down in NYC the recommendations are going to be a lot different than if you are looking to go out and rage 3 nights a week.

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duffmt6:
OP, could use some more info. If you have a family and plan on settling down in NYC the recommendations are going to be a lot different than if you are looking to go out and rage 3 nights a week.

Absolutely, what your situation is matters alot.

If you are a single guy looking for a 1br apt, 5-6k/mo is a big time number. You can get a really nice place with that budget. I dont think you need to spend that much however (3500- 4500/mo) is where id try to be... obvs depend on your sit

Im a young single guy so I like Soho, Tribeca, West Village, Flat Iron...but these are also the most expensive per sq/ft (something to think about) I prefer West vs East too.

 

Thanks for the input.

A little more about my situation... I'm single, 24. Most likely to not have a roommate (my preference). Obvoiusly, I don't have to spend all of 5k a month, but want a place that is going to be comfortable and not feel like a shoebox. I'm not looking to party hard, just bars/restaurants to grab a few drinks and good food. 15mins to work sounds great. Is there a big difference between West vs. East Village?

Upper West sounds nice, but too far away from the social scene.

 
liquidityaddiction:
Thanks for the input.

A little more about my situation... I'm single, 24. Most likely to not have a roommate (my preference). Obvoiusly, I don't have to spend all of 5k a month, but want a place that is going to be comfortable and not feel like a shoebox. I'm not looking to party hard, just bars/restaurants to grab a few drinks and good food. 15mins to work sounds great. Is there a big difference between West vs. East Village?

Upper West sounds nice, but too far away from the social scene.

East Village is a shithole. Its so dirty and gloomy. West > East, plus arguably the best restaurants are in west village area. $5000/month rent is plenty to find yourself a good size 1 BR, for you it is not going to be the cost that makes it difficult, but just finding the one that fits your needs. You may want to use a broker so you can find yourself a nice apartment, rather than looking yourself. But of course that will mean a broker fee.

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I like the west side, UWS or west village are both nice (very different though). The budget shouldn't be an issue, you'll easily be able to find a nice apt in that price range. I assume you know this (and probably meet the requirements, depending on your firm), but NYC has some strict rent rules. Most places require 40-45 (up to 50X) the monthly rent as your annual salary. Not all places will count bonuses (depending on how long you have been with your firm, so you may want to double check that (or get a broker who can help you out).

 

As long as 40x the monthly rent is lower than your salary, you should be fine.

Check craigslist, most people moving to NYC live in a shoebox with roommates for a couple years.

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Isaiah_53_5:
As long as 40x the monthly rent is lower than your salary, you should be fine.

Check craigslist, most people moving to NYC live in a shoebox with roommates for a couple years.

A good job, verified income, and sufficient rent coverage is frequently enough. The market seems to be softening a little recently. As Isaiah said, using Craigslist to find a dorm-type situation is a very viable option even for professionals in NY, but be wary of scams. I'd also suggest that if the nightlife isn't your thing, you consider the Boros, NJ, LI, or Westchester based on where you will be working. You can get quite a bit more bang for your buck by not saying "Manhattan or nothing." Also, given the long, skinny nature of Manhattan your commute could actually be shorter. (seriously, I sublet a place in upper Manhattan that's 50 minutes from work, my place in NJ is 25.)

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$2850 for a 1 bed or convertible in Midtown East definitely sounds doable. I don't think you'll be able to get it in a new building, and I think you'll be out of the numbered avenues tho.

http://renthop.com/map?bedrooms%5B%5D=1&min_price=2000&max_price=2850&q…

Living in Manhattan always involves trade-offs. Add 50% to the price any reasonable person would pay in another city, and then pick 3 out of the 5 things you want in an apartment. If you can live with that, you can live in Manhattan.

 

There are nice new buildings in the UES for that price. Probably not doorman buildings, though. Check out Bettina Equities because they have no fee buildings that arent doorman but all updated otherwise all up the east side with one bedrooms in that range. If you are going UES I'd say try to be by the 86th street subway stop. Or you could do midtown east but I don't like the area unless you go further south to like Gramercy or the East Village.

 

That's enough for a 1 bedroom in an updated highrise and updated brownstones in the UES. Just not a top of the line doorman one. I just gave you this website for UES buildings: http://www.bettinaequities.com/building.php?Neighborhood=-1&Building=-1…

Midtown will be a little more but i'm certain you can still find some of what you are looking for the further up towards GC and out towards the water.

 

so you are you quitting your current job to move to NYC or moving to NYC for your current job and using as an opportunity to shift into wall street? NYC is very very expensive - if you don't work your bank account will look like it has been ravaged by a pack of monkeys on a Saturday night bar crawl.

to get the job you want my suggestion would be to use consulting as a stepping stone. do some consulting work then from there shift into PE. i doubt any banks would hire you at lower levels anyway (i.e. intern or even analyst) with your experience as you would likely be overqualified. banking analysts just crank out spreadsheets and you would not use anything you learned in your previous jobs. consulting is the other way around as you could add value. transitioning from consulting to PE is also easier (not as easy as IBD) as PE firms don't just need spreadsheet jockey's they also need people who know what the fuck is going on and can turn the business around. good luck.

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wallstreet246 The MS helped me get my job, as well as, at a much higher pay. I work for a very corporate company so it's just a check mark for them. The CFA has indirectly effected my pay, as I have learned a tremendous amount of information, it has improved my work, which has aided in pay increases. Given, I work for corporate, so there's numbers aren't 50K increases YOY like IB.

the_gekko I will be leaving my current job to move to NYC. I am worried about draining my bank account, but I think I will (most likely) find a general corporate style analyst job to stop the bleeding upon my arrival. I also have about 1.5 months to try and land something till I move. I will look into consulting jobs, as I did not necessarily think of that as a stepping stone before. Thank you for the advice, greatly appreciated.

 

You should have 2x whatever your rent is available (security deposit plus first month's rent up front), estimated moving fees (if you use a moving company vs. a Uhaul (cheap but a huge pain)) could be a few hundred... since you're moving with 2 other people the cable/internet installation can be divided up, so probably another $75 there... Overall for example if your rent is $2,000 per person, I would say having $4,500-$4,800 would make it 'comfortable' to move in. This is also assuming you are not using a broker, if you end up using a broker, add another month's rent on.

 

Section 250 (5) of the Vehicle and Traffic Law defines the term "resident." The law defines a resident as a person who lives in NYS with the intent to make NYS a "fixed and permanent" place to live. To live in a house, a home, an apartment, a room or other similar place in NYS for 90 days is considered "presumptive evidence" that you are a resident of NYS. A police officer can use this evidence as the reason to issue a traffic ticket if you drive in NYS without a driver license or vehicle registration issued by NYS.

Not that I am planning on driving, but the same logic might be used for taxation etc.

 

There are plenty of consulting firms in NY. Most of the Top 50 have offices there and it's the HQ for some, so not sure why you think Boston has more (perhaps relative to finance).

If you really want to move to NYC for lifestyle reasons, you should go for it. But definitely have something prepared in advance - can you try transferring internally through your firm? You may try applying to consulting firms' NYC offices through networking, online application processes, and the like.

Consulting is a solid industry particularly in these times - but it depends what your career aspirations are. If you're in your first 2-3 years, I'd say stay put in the industry/job.

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What are the rents for what a 3rd year might consider living alone (modestly) vs with roommates?

And how about neighborhoods if I'm going to be working down near the old WTC area?

And, are there any monkeys on here looking for a room mate? Please let me know.

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wsofan2009:
What are the rents for what a 3rd year might consider living alone (modestly) vs with roommates?

And how about neighborhoods if I'm going to be working down near the old WTC area?

And, are there any monkeys on here looking for a room mate? Please let me know.

If you are looking for a 1 bedroom to live in, in a decent neighborhood you are probably looking to pay 2k+ per month when all is said and done. You can find some 2-bedrooms for 2.5-3k which works a lot better if you find a roommate.

In terms of location, you can live pretty much anywhere in the city but I recommend being close to a subway stop that takes you really close to your office. It will make the trek into work on rainy/snowy days a lot easier.

 

That's weird. I got my signing bonus after signing my offer and will get the relocation bonus after I start work.

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c_z:
1man2nv:
Anybody else as excited as me to be living in NYC in about a month?

After I find a place to live, yes.

What areas are you looking into? At first i wanted FiDi now i want Murray Hill, and this girl today recommended east village.
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Same. I'm trying to do a June 15 move in and all the brokers are telling me I should still wait....Regardless, I'm pumped to be living back on the east coast.

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RevPAR:
Same. I'm trying to do a June 15 move in and all the brokers are telling me I should still wait....Regardless, I'm pumped to be living back on the east coast.
Thats weird, i'm trying to move in the week after and broker is telling to lets start now.
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Midtown office as well, looking at lower east side. I've heard ABC area between 10th and 20th has some great deals, anyone else looking here? Short walk to union square and a great night life.

Also, I've heard financial district is a great place for 1st years. Night life sucks, but you can find really nice places for reasonable prices. Thoughts?

 

FiDi was originally #1 on my list because I wanted to live in a full service building for a good price. But I was told the 20 min commute to midtown when I want to go out, get drunk, and then 20 mins back would suck after a while. But i still havent ruled it out yet.

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I just signed for an alcove studio in a new building near St. Luke's hospital for $2695/month. Pricey, but I'm sharing it with my girlfriend (who will also be working in NYC).

I didn't work with a broker. If you want to live in a larger building you can just search online or call buildings in the area you want to live. Try http://www.nybits.com to find different buildings. Also, you may want to call everywhere because they don't always have updated information online. It's a bit more work to find your apartment yourself, but I really did not want to pay a $3000 (or more!) broker fee.

 

I'm def trying to avoid that huge broker fee as well!

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c_z:
Me too. Crazy broker fees...I am still hunting for apt. Let me know if any female Ibanker there who wants to share apt.
check the official 2011 roommate forum, i think I saw a couple of female bankers who posted on there.
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Moving- Ideally,I would recommend trying to move in to your apartment at the beginning of June which means starting to look May 1st. You will need to have all your paperwork ready and money in the bank so you can submit an application if you find a place you like.. I realize that may seem a little early but that will give you about a month to get settled in, unpacked, have cable and internet set up and get acclimated to the city before you start work. You can find dry cleaners, grocery stores, restaurants, a gym, bars, etc without work getting in your way. Plus, the weather is amazing in June so you can do some of the cliched tourist things as well and get them out of your system.

Apartments - Try and research the different areas of the city to determine what is convenient for office and fits in your budget. Some popular areas are Murray Hill, Financial District, Midtown East and West and Upper East Side. I know of analysts who live in all of these areas and they are all reasonable options. It may depends on roommates' situations but the general advice is to live close to where you work. In this market you will likely have to use a broker to find an apartment but you can do preliminary research on craigslist and streeteasy. For furniture, ikea is a good place to start.

Roomates - I don't have any experience here so I won't bother providing any coments

 

I moved to NYC in an IT role because I figured if I lived here it would be easier to get a job in finance here, with not having to take time off work and flying out here for interviews and what not.

That wasn't necessarily the case, but now I'm in school here hoping that post graduation It'll all be worth it.

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new_era:

first off, no one in New York, calls it "NYC," that's what tourists call it. Call it new york or the City.

people call it NYC when typing on the computer or in text all the time because it is an easy abbreviation, so thanks for your useless contribution

 

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  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

March 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (85) $262
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (13) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (65) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (198) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (143) $101
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