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Feb 22, 2018 - 11:16pm

Owning a dog is not worth it(opinion). Too much work, time, costs money, potential vet bills, shots, etc. Not to mention it will shit and piss on your floor as well as chew things. Also, it would be fucked to own a dog while having a full time job and being gone all day.

Feb 24, 2018 - 10:09am

You're not wrong, but telling someone not to get a dog because of the things you mentioned is a bit like telling someone not to have kids for the same reasons -- being a dog owner is rewarding in ways that more than make up for all that other shit.

Feb 24, 2018 - 1:53pm
TheROI:

Owning a dog is not worth it(opinion). Too much work, time, costs money, potential vet bills, shots, etc. Not to mention it will shit and piss on your floor as well as chew things. Also, it would be fucked to own a dog while having a full time job and being gone all day.

Pretty much everything can be said about children.

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Feb 23, 2018 - 12:06am

I own a rather large dog, adopted her in college and has lived with me since. I agree that it would be unethical to leave it in an apartment for 16 hours a day (or 8 during day time), so I pay for monthly daycare / walks home when unable to pick up before they close. It obviously has to be a good day care.

Note that is anywhere from 700-1000 per month (and is more economical than a dog walker who charges 30 dollars per walk). Now add on vet costs, insurance (if you're smart), dog food that isn't promoted by rachel ray, treats, leashes, etc.

Note that paying this amount is the easiest part of owning a (real non 2 lb) dog. Before going out on weekends, you'll find yourself at your apartment having to walk the dog. You'll also need to walk her again at 4 AM when you get back so you don't get woken up 3 hours later.

That is just the beginning of the costs/responsibilities. If you are really considering it, volunteer at SPCA or foster a dog for a month and then decide. Note - if you are planning on getting a puppy, or live without roommates, I would say its pretty much impossible. Otherwise, it is just very difficult and will change your lifestyle given you are a good owner (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

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Feb 23, 2018 - 1:38am

So true. Dogs are a shitload of work. I've never had a dog of my own but used to dogsit a few friends' dogs for more than a month out of the year, and they usually wake you up in the night, early morning, etc. Some are obedient enough to hold their blatters/shitters while you work but you feel bad for them. If they can't, you have shit to clean up.

So - $30 per walk? Is that serious? I know the Wag! app has been a "hot" startup. Is there exclusivity on a walk or can you walk multiple dogs of multiple people at once? I mean, that could be lucrative for a side job, and you get to play with dogs...

Feb 23, 2018 - 2:40am

I debated this issue for a long time. I eventually decided that if I adopted an unwanted shelter dog, that whatever life I could provide him was far better than his eventual fate. I'd love to get home a few hours earlier every night, but instead I pay for daily 30-minute walks and it has kept his energy levels down over the years. Absolutely have no regrets adopting a dog while doing banking; seeing him is often the best part of the day.

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Feb 24, 2018 - 10:14am

If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been in banking? Could you see yourself staying in a demanding job and caring for a dog over the long term? (I love dogs myself and I'm going the banking route too)

Feb 23, 2018 - 5:58am

Wife and I have a dog. It's definitely doable, even if you both work long hours (both in finance, though hers are shorter and much more predictable than mine, as a banker) but it can be tough and it's very expensive (probably 1k a month in daycare/walks/food in NYC, plus we've spent several hundred in vet bills in the first year we've had him). I personally don't think it's worth it for the amount of money we spend and the stress his schedule can put on us. But, for her, she really wanted the companship for when I'm working late into the night or stuck on something for the weekends. And I think she's getting what she wanted, so she's happy with the decision to get him. I will warn, the puppy months are awful, though. Those first 2 or 3 months we were both miserable because the amount of care he needed. They are just like babies at that stage so they need to be walked every 2 hours and cry and don't sleep etc. Now that he's closer to a year he's cool, but planning time around making sure we pick him up and don't leave him for too long can certainly get annoying.

All in all, plan to spend thousands a year on the dog and it's fine, but I don't think worth it (but your SO might feel differently).

Feb 23, 2018 - 1:54pm
AllDay_028:

Wife and I have a dog. It's definitely doable, even if you both work long hours (both in finance, though hers are shorter and much more predictable than mine, as a banker) but it can be tough and it's very expensive (probably 1k a month in daycare/walks/food in NYC, plus we've spent several hundred in vet bills in the first year we've had him). I personally don't think it's worth it for the amount of money we spend and the stress his schedule can put on us. But, for her, she really wanted the companship for when I'm working late into the night or stuck on something for the weekends. And I think she's getting what she wanted, so she's happy with the decision to get him. I will warn, the puppy months are awful, though. Those first 2 or 3 months we were both miserable because the amount of care he needed. They are just like babies at that stage so they need to be walked every 2 hours and cry and don't sleep etc. Now that he's closer to a year he's cool, but planning time around making sure we pick him up and don't leave him for too long can certainly get annoying.

All in all, plan to spend thousands a year on the dog and it's fine, but I don't think worth it (but your SO might feel differently).

Thanks for this sober realistic assessment. It's very helpful.

I like dogs, especially the large fluffy ones. I'm obsessed with breeds such as Newfoundland, Tibetan Mastiff, Bernese Mountain dog, Samoyed, Chow Chow. I have wanted one for a long time, but living alone, I realized that there is no way I can provide the adequate time and care that a dog deserves. So instead, I watch dog videos on YouTube and look at pics of Instagram pages.

Feb 23, 2018 - 11:34am

I got a large dog in college before I intended to go down the banking path. I was fortunate enough to live a block away from the office as well as next door to a dog day-play service. Between the two, I could either go home for lunch and do a quick loop around the block or leave him at day-play until I left the office to grab dinner. While it was most certainly not easy or cheap, the routine and responsibility was/is something that I enjoy.

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Feb 23, 2018 - 4:55pm

Well, how do you view dogs? As a pet animal, or family? If it's the latter, and you're doing 14-16 hours a day, that's the same as having a kid you're never there for, except the kid would eventually grow up and learn not to give a shit. The poor doggo on the other hand, is going to go through multitudes of loneliness waiting each day for the rest of his life, just to spend that 10 minutes with you when you reach home. Get a cactus instead as mentioned earlier.

Feb 23, 2018 - 8:42pm

Are they much different than a turtle? I had a pet turtle run away when I was younger and it was devastating.

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Feb 27, 2018 - 8:13pm

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Feb 24, 2018 - 3:44pm

I'd say the puppy months are the most insane. If you want to train your dog correctly (obedient, potty trained, able to hold in pee for an entire day, not tear up your shit at home when nobody is there, etc) you have to put in some serious time / effort training it. Also the last thing I would want to do is have someone else train the puppy during its most impressionable years (I would want a dog to be more attached to me than another person).

Feb 27, 2018 - 8:52pm

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Feb 27, 2018 - 9:04pm

Get a girlfriend that will take care of it. You get a dog and she gets something to talk to when you're gone.

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Feb 27, 2018 - 10:33pm

I breed, raise, and farm dogs. It's a great investment and theres nothing better that coming home to an organic garlic & butter K9 roast. It's much easier than raising chickens in your apartment and they act as security guards until supper.

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Feb 27, 2018 - 11:17pm

I'd love a doggo, but I just don't think I could give one enough love. I'm just getting started with my life-- I don't want/need any dependents. I can barely take care of myself anyway.

I might opt for a cat one day. I've heard they just eat lasagna and sleep all day. Can't be that hard.

Feb 28, 2018 - 5:16pm

I would opt for a cat until you have a spouse.

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Feb 28, 2018 - 10:03pm

You are one sick bunny..

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Mar 5, 2018 - 9:40am

Good dog breeds for apartment living? (Originally Posted: 06/08/2016)

The thought of getting a dog after graduation has kept me going for the past couple of years. I know that it will be expensive and a lot of work with going home for lunch to walk the dog and probably hiring a dog walker while it's a puppy along with possible training, but it's an option I'm at least considering.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 9:41am

None. Please get two years into your job and social life before thinking about caring for a dog too.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 9:43am

I've had a Shiba (black and tan) for seven years- they're awesome. I too disliked the idea of having a small dog but liked that the Shiba has a "big dog" look in a smaller dog body. Everyone think's he's a husky or Akita puppy. He's fine in a 1000 sq ft condo (we're near a park), and while they're known to be independent minded, they're pretty easy to housebreak, although getting used to walking on a leash took a bit of training. I can't speak for running- mine has a neurological issue (cerebeller hypoplasia) that would make any attempt to train him to run beside me comical. The one downside is the heavy shedding (blowing coat) that occurs twice a year.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 9:45am

what's your job? only one of two things would make buying a dog ok:

  1. you have enough disposable income to send it to doggie day care EVERY day M-F. this is doubtful
  2. you can work from home, come home for every lunch break, and don't work more than 8-9 hours a day

I say this because while there are breeds that are ok at home for a while, it shouldn't be all day every day. if you work banking hours, do NOT do this. you'll be working 12 hours a day at least and will not have the energy needed to give a dog a good life whenever you do finally get home.

go with oreos' advice. get used to being an adult before you're a parent.

Mar 5, 2018 - 9:50am

German shepherds*, dobermans or pit bulls.

*Had 2 German shepherds in the city. It is very tough as they shed a lot but they are the smartest dogs so it definitely pays off.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 9:51am

You need to be sure that you can really spend a lot of time with a puppy, particularly when they are young and getting stabilized.

I've had English Mastiffs and currently have a 3 yo Great Dane. The huge breeds are great because they sleep like 22 hours a day, and they can go 12 hours without needing to be let out. They basically need a 20 minute walk per day and a lot of food. The Mastiffs are super sweet, gentle and cause very little trouble. Great Danes are slightly more neurotic but also very sweet and incredibly loyal to the family. Danes are a little more protective and barky, which may be good or bad depending on where you live. The Mastiffs shed a decent amount, and Great Danes barely shed at all. Both are great for city living, which is counter intuitive with their size, because they sleep so much.

Someone above mentioned Doberman and German Shepherds. I grew up with both as a child (on a farm), and I'd avoid them for city living. If they are left alone a lot without massive amounts of exercise, they will go nuts. They are too smart and too high energy so they will destroy everything out of frustration, if they don't have exercise and engagement.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 9:52am

English Bulldog, all the way. They are super friendly, low maintenance in that fact they they are extremely lazy and sleep alot. I have been living in a smaller apartment for the past two years and my bully loves it. The only thing I would warn about are the cost and time commitment of a dog. While he is a puppy you will prob go to the vet 4-5 times in the first year and can expect 200-300 dollars per visit. Dog food runs about 100 a month. A mid day dog walker runs about 200-300 a month. Traveling is harder as you have to figure out what to do with your dog, leave him with roommates, parents, etc.

To me the pros outweigh the cons as my dog gives me much joy! Goodluck.

Mar 5, 2018 - 9:59am

I've got a chocolate lab and she is pretty awesome though still a pup. I take her out in the morning and then a few times in the evening. I'm starting a new job where I'll be working about 60 hours but, fortunately, I have a wife who will only be working less and has more flexible hours. We still put her in play care at least 2 days a week.

Our dog is a menace to society when she gets excited but she sleeps/lays around for probably 22 hours a day and is wired for 2 hours. She's super loyal and the best dog I've ever had even though she gets into EVERYTHING.

All of that said, I would hold off on getting a dog if I were you. They're great, but a lot of work and you have to be conscious of them when making plans. And definitely send them away to get trained if you get something moderately big because training them and working is not a great combo.

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:01am

My GF and I have a pomeranian. He's the man - extremely intelligent. I actually wanted a German shepherd (my GF had a 160 lb GS as a kid,) but I knew it would've been a mistake in our 1BR condo downtown.

We work 50 hours a week on average and I travel occasionally. We do a good job of picking up each other's slack if we have to stay late at the office, which I think is the main reason we've been able to make it work. He's too small for play care, where even the "small" dogs are at least twice his size. Fortunately, he sleeps at home most of the day and is always in great spirits when we get home. We give him free reign of our condo when we're gone which I think helps.

That said, he's the center of our life when we aren't working and we literally take him everywhere with us. We've never been hugely social (i.e. bar scene/parties) outside of the office so we've never felt like we've had to make huge sacrifices. At the end of the day It's like having a child, the dog's well being comes first.

In a nutshell, unless you have a SO that can help pull some of the weight, having a dog at this stage in your life will be hard on you and the dog.

p.s. the puppy stage is absolutely painful.

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:07am

Best advice is to never get a dog or any animal for any reason unless you need them to do something for you on your farm. I really do not get the appeal at all. They stink, piss, shit, shed fur, etc. I can't think of any upside. Maybe try getting human friends instead???

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:08am

I've got a pit-mix that my wife and her roommate kept as their personal alarm system (country girls with guns) before we got married and the dog came with her. He's been great because he's extremely well trained and not aggressive.

Don't bother in your situation. You don't have someone to help take care of it, and you don't have the time to train it properly while its a puppy.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 10:10am

I don't think it's a good idea to get a dog working this industry's hours.
However, if you are persistent, I would get a Shiba Inu.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 10:13am

Any current/former dog owners? (Originally Posted: 10/15/2011)

Hey all,

I'm working on The Lean Startup Machine NYC, which is basically a weekend entrepreneurship competition. My team is working on a network to connect dog owners, and we could use some feedback to help us narrow down our customer base and their needs. If you could take a few minutes to finish this survey...

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That would be amazing. Thanks!

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:17am

I'm a dog owner. I love my dog tremendously. Most of my irrational decision making is related to my dog. She's 12 - pushing 13 and she's still my best buddy. :)

But seriously, what NYC dog owners want is a massive PR campaign to make people hate them less.
Want a good startup? Start a business training dogs for landlord and co-op board interviews. People want to borrow my pooch all the time because she is awesome. But in general, people in NY hate dogs because they are often detestable creatures. But I'm not sure what people expect when they buy a poorly bred dog after walking by a pet store window half drunk and then leave it in an apartment alone 14 hours a day.

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:18am

Is it a good idea to buy a sheltie puppy at this moment? (Originally Posted: 01/21/2017)

I am a student and will start my full time IB analyst gig in July.

So... I know it's not very realistic to get large dogs like GSD or golden retriver puppies and I may not have enough time for them when I start working full time, but what about smaller breeds like shelties? I read online that smaller ones are easier to tend to and you only have to walk them once a day (I plan to do it in the morning if I get one).

I LOVE dogs and have always wanted to get them but never have, can someone please advise a realistic path to balance my work in the future and also have a dog in my life?

Thanks!

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:19am

No. I too love dogs and I got one, more accurately, I got home from grad school one day and my wife had got a 6 month old lab (better than a real baby), before starting work FT. The only way is if you have someone that can walk them in the morning, in the evening, and play with them during the day. Fortunately, my wife works close to home and her hours are flexible because mine are not and otherwise the pup would be in the crate from 7 to 7 on a good day and that's not fair to any dog whether someone says it is or not.

And none of this is accounting for the training that has to go into a puppy or any other complications.

Go work hard in IB and then reevaluate but don't subject that poor animal to being by itself for 12-18 hours of the day.

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:20am

oh no.. I am sad to hear that. I really want one.

But lab is high energy dog tho and they are much larger than shelties, maybe I will find a roommate who has a dog already and just play with his dog I guess.

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:21am

As much as you love dogs, I think you should get a cat as they are more independent creatures and can use a liter box. I initially wanted a Pug, but a dog would just shit and stink up a nice apartment, so I opted for a Siamese cat. Full-time IB means after you come home exercise/cook/clean/dishes etc. You won't have much time for anything else.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 10:23am

1) As a student, you can hardly take care of yourself. Let alone another living being.
2) If you really are working in IB, your hours will be such that giving ANY dog the attention and exercise it needs are outside any realistic idea of having one.
3) You don't want to be the asshole who brings a dog back to the pound. (don't tell me this won't be you because I've met several who said the same thing)
4) find a different hobby that will keep you equally busy with less stress and guilt

Mar 5, 2018 - 10:25am

No.

Even a small/medium size dog will go crazy if left alone, and you need to have someone else there for when something happens and you can't make it home until 10 hours later than you planned.

Get a dog AFTER you either have a more stable job or have a roomate/girlfriend/fiance/wife living with you.

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Mar 5, 2018 - 10:28am

My family owns three shelties and they are way too high energy for 1) NYC in general and 2) to be left alone for the majority of the day. I have noticed that shelties also get pretty depressed when they're left alone for too long, bored for too long, or feel neglected. I wouldn't do it. As much as I love dogs too I would feel too guilty for leaving one at home all day, and I'm sure you would feel the same too.

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