Students at top universities are generally superior to students at lower-ranked universities

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I think it makes sense to judge people based on where they go to college. For the most part, people who attend top universities (ivy league-- esp HYP, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, WashU, Northwestern, UChicago, UC Berkeley, UCLA, etc) are far superior to students attending colleges of mediocre rank (such as most big state schools).

Why?

Students at these top schools have it all: academic excellence (high grades, high test scores), extracurricular activities (sports, music, art, etc), leadership involvement, and other compelling and unique sides to them to make them attractive candidates in a grueling and extremely competitive admissions process.

I currently attend UC Berkeley as an engineer, and I'm blown away at the quality of my peers. Many of my peers have razor sharp brains and are extremely hard workers. In addition to that, I know many of my friends who are also involved with campus sports, music groups (I myself play the electric guitar in an alternative rock band), leadership activities (I have friends who lead political clubs on campus), and more. We work hard for sure, but we also have social lives and we play hard: like everyone else, we go to parties, date, socialize, etc (UC Berkeley has a decent Greek life). We will also get excellent jobs once we graduate because top companies actually come to campus to recruit our graduates (same with Stanford and other top ranked schools).

In my view, students at top schools tend to have a strong work ethic, tend to be competitive while being cooperative (a trait that will help them in life), are ambitious and want to be leaders in the world, and genuinely care about learning about the world and have highly developed passions. Also many aren't "nerdy" as the media portrays us out to be: we have romantic relationships, we are social and outgoing and chill, we play sports (and some top schools have top-notch sports teams in addition to academic excellence, like Duke, Stanford, UC Berkeley swimming, etc). Therefore, students at top schools tend to be very well rounded, and are likely to be superior to students at lower ranked schools.

Students at top schools tend to be disciplined, have good time management, are focused, have a desire to be productive and hard working, and have strong passions that they want to pursue. Moreover, they want to change the world and be leaders for the better. I know many students who as little children were steps above their classmates and developed good study habits, good social skills, musical and athletic talents, and more. And you can be both very skilled as a student and have a social life (skilled student =/= socially awkward nerd). So saying that students at lower ranked schools may have better social skills isn't necessarily true (there are many "losers" at lower ranked schools: people who suck at academics and also at life in general, like having a relationship, being social, etc). Moreover, even if someone is very outgoing at a lower-ranked school, they might not develop oral and communication skills necessary to be charismatic in a professional setting, something that top-ranked business programs teach people to do (I know socially awkward people who majored in business at Berkeley and became some of the most outgoing and smooth people once they graduated). So companies would prefer someone who is professionally smart and charismatic over someone who is street and socially smart, but not professionally smart.

I have a friend who transferred to UC Berkeley from UC Riverside. He told me that Cal is superior in pretty much every aspect: better location, more interesting culture, more interesting students, better sports, better academics, world renowned professors, and more. He told me that the students at Cal are a shitton more academically motivated and take studying/learning very seriously and are disciplined. He also said that Cal students are way more involved in activities and leadership, such as community service, political groups, and extracurricular groups (taiko drumming, intramural sports, etc). You can't say students are top schools are necessarily "nerdy, shy, and socially awkward" when so many ppl at Berkeley are active in extracurricular like political activism. He also said that the students at Berkeley were more open minded and friendly than those at UC Riverside (where students according to him were a bit more socially conservative and cold, and many students didn't give a crap about school and goofed off, didn't show up at lecture, and dropped out).
True, students at lower ranked schools may have non-academic passions they like, like Photoshop, art, sports, music, and more. But students at top colleges are good that these IN ADDITION to being excellent in academics and being ambitious. So they are superior by being more well-rounded and having more skills.

Therefore when someone says he goes to Columbia or Harvard, that person deserves more respect and is a superior student to someone who attends University of Florida. Moreover, the Harvard grad is likely to be much more economically valuable than a Florida grad since the former will likely have much better skills, skills that employers will find attractive. Also being a Harvard grad is a turn on to the ladies, so that guy won't have trouble in his dating life.

This excludes people who had the ability to attend high ranked schools but opted to go to a lower ranked school b/c of financial and/or personal reasons. It also excludes legacy admits to top ranked schools.
Also one could say that there are students who are late bloomers at lower ranked colleges, people who have a lot of potential in life but didn't realize it until college (maybe they slacked off in high school but had the ability to be successful if the wanted to). But then again, isn't someone who was consistently a hard worker (someone who has been an excellent student all of his/her life and worked hard through high school) superior to someone who recently had their eyes opened about the value of education, and only recently tried to change his/her ways for the better?

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Jul 14, 2017

this post is pretty autistic

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Jul 15, 2017

It has become clear that writing in a concise manner was not discussed at these top institutions.

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Jul 15, 2017
CanadianEnergyBanker:

It has become clear that writing in a concise manner was not discussed at these top institutions.

They are good at making large brain farts, apparently.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Jul 15, 2017

"Students at top universities are generally superior "
brags about going to UC Berkeley

lol dude

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Jul 15, 2017

haha ikr

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Jul 15, 2017

Funny, I have a good friend who was from a second tier school doing a group interview for the front office position with 3 Ivy Leaguers. She got the job, the other three couldn't answer the most basic rudimentary technical questions.

I've worked with Ivy Leaguers who were total retards and no name college grads who were brilliant. To be fair, the opposite was true as well.

Some people (myself included) preferred to not be celibate in high school and party, granted this made me getting where I am today tougher but I wouldn't change a thing. Doesn't mean I'm not as smart as Ivy Leaguers, just meant I had a different priority set in my teen years. I'll gladly go head to head with any Ivy Leaguer any day, I'm not impressed by the piece of paper someone got, I'm impressed by actual intelligence rather than regurgitation.

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Jul 15, 2017

Oh, BTW, when you say politically active do you mean rioting and burning cars and assaulting people because someone with a different view point comes to speak on campus? I'll never hire anyone out of that safe space SJW loser college.

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Jul 15, 2017

OP, you should read up on something called in-group bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism). Looks like you didn't learn that in your STEM program - no problem. I've got you. Trust me, I majored in Econ.

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Jul 15, 2017

You should probably stick to engineering where soft skills are optional.

I can objectively tell you that you will not go far in any finance or business-related field.

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Jul 15, 2017

Well I came in to post my differing opinion but looks like it has already been covered.

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Jul 15, 2017

Name checks out.

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Jul 15, 2017

Nice

Jul 15, 2017

What are you tryna prove and to whom?

Absolute truths don't exist... celebrated opinions do.

Jul 15, 2017

Well, top schools get OCR sooooo

Jul 15, 2017

Top schools typically give good training and a better chance to open the door to an opportunity and excel at it.

Once you're in a company, its all about performance there.

Its silly to say some students are superior to others. You're all just students. You're not actually producing anything except good grades.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Jul 15, 2017
donek221010:

I think it makes sense to judge people based on where they go to college. For the most part, people who attend top universities (ivy league-- esp HYP, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, WashU, Northwestern, UChicago, UC Berkeley, UCLA, etc) are far superior to students attending colleges of mediocre rank (such as most big state schools).

Why?

Students at these top schools have it all: academic excellence (high grades, high test scores), extracurricular activities (sports, music, art, etc), leadership involvement, and other compelling and unique sides to them to make them attractive candidates in a grueling and extremely competitive admissions process.

I currently attend UC Berkeley as an engineer, and I'm blown away at the quality of my peers. Many of my peers have razor sharp brains and are extremely hard workers. In addition to that, I know many of my friends who are also involved with campus sports, music groups (I myself play the electric guitar in an alternative rock band), leadership activities (I have friends who lead political clubs on campus), and more. We work hard for sure, but we also have social lives and we play hard: like everyone else, we go to parties, date, socialize, etc (UC Berkeley has a decent Greek life). We will also get excellent jobs once we graduate because top companies actually come to campus to recruit our graduates (same with Stanford and other top ranked schools).

In my view, students at top schools tend to have a strong work ethic, tend to be competitive while being cooperative (a trait that will help them in life), are ambitious and want to be leaders in the world, and genuinely care about learning about the world and have highly developed passions. Also many aren't "nerdy" as the media portrays us out to be: we have romantic relationships, we are social and outgoing and chill, we play sports (and some top schools have top-notch sports teams in addition to academic excellence, like Duke, Stanford, UC Berkeley swimming, etc). Therefore, students at top schools tend to be very well rounded, and are likely to be superior to students at lower ranked schools.

Students at top schools tend to be disciplined, have good time management, are focused, have a desire to be productive and hard working, and have strong passions that they want to pursue. Moreover, they want to change the world and be leaders for the better. I know many students who as little children were steps above their classmates and developed good study habits, good social skills, musical and athletic talents, and more. And you can be both very skilled as a student and have a social life (skilled student =/= socially awkward nerd). So saying that students at lower ranked schools may have better social skills isn't necessarily true (there are many "losers" at lower ranked schools: people who suck at academics and also at life in general, like having a relationship, being social, etc). Moreover, even if someone is very outgoing at a lower-ranked school, they might not develop oral and communication skills necessary to be charismatic in a professional setting, something that top-ranked business programs teach people to do (I know socially awkward people who majored in business at Berkeley and became some of the most outgoing and smooth people once they graduated). So companies would prefer someone who is professionally smart and charismatic over someone who is street and socially smart, but not professionally smart.

I have a friend who transferred to UC Berkeley from UC Riverside. He told me that Cal is superior in pretty much every aspect: better location, more interesting culture, more interesting students, better sports, better academics, world renowned professors, and more. He told me that the students at Cal are a shitton more academically motivated and take studying/learning very seriously and are disciplined. He also said that Cal students are way more involved in activities and leadership, such as community service, political groups, and extracurricular groups (taiko drumming, intramural sports, etc). You can't say students are top schools are necessarily "nerdy, shy, and socially awkward" when so many ppl at Berkeley are active in extracurricular like political activism. He also said that the students at Berkeley were more open minded and friendly than those at UC Riverside (where students according to him were a bit more socially conservative and cold, and many students didn't give a crap about school and goofed off, didn't show up at lecture, and dropped out).
True, students at lower ranked schools may have non-academic passions they like, like Photoshop, art, sports, music, and more. But students at top colleges are good that these IN ADDITION to being excellent in academics and being ambitious. So they are superior by being more well-rounded and having more skills.

Therefore when someone says he goes to Columbia or Harvard, that person deserves more respect and is a superior student to someone who attends University of Florida. Moreover, the Harvard grad is likely to be much more economically valuable than a Florida grad since the former will likely have much better skills, skills that employers will find attractive. Also being a Harvard grad is a turn on to the ladies, so that guy won't have trouble in his dating life.

This excludes people who had the ability to attend high ranked schools but opted to go to a lower ranked school b/c of financial and/or personal reasons. It also excludes legacy admits to top ranked schools.
Also one could say that there are students who are late bloomers at lower ranked colleges, people who have a lot of potential in life but didn't realize it until college (maybe they slacked off in high school but had the ability to be successful if the wanted to). But then again, isn't someone who was consistently a hard worker (someone who has been an excellent student all of his/her life and worked hard through high school) superior to someone who recently had their eyes opened about the value of education, and only recently tried to change his/her ways for the better?

so you're a UCB engineer in training - why are you posting on finance boards?

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Jul 15, 2017
donek221010:

Therefore when someone says he goes to Columbia or Harvard, that person deserves more respect and is a superior student to someone who attends University of Florida. Moreover, the Harvard grad is likely to be much more economically valuable than a Florida grad since the former will likely have much better skills, skills that employers will find attractive. Also being a Harvard grad is a turn on to the ladies, so that guy won't have trouble in his dating life.

brah, after you finish school ... girls have two categories for guys:

a) ballers

b) not a baller

That Harvard sticker on your Prius isn't going to pull you that many chicks.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Jul 15, 2017

Holy Aspergers...

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Jul 15, 2017

TL:DR, all I know is a friend who went to UC Berkenstock did not land an amazing front office job - he also hates the school because no one he knew there had an original thought. Also, I know people who went to state schools and ended up having Harvard mba's working for them. A family member that is an engineer with a large company pointed out of all the ivy types he has worked with, one has impressed him. The others apparently were no better than any of the state or non target private grads he works with.
That being said, if you get into Harvard go, that cannot be argued. Many more doors will be open to you than most programs. However, it ultimately boils down to the person rather than the institution.

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Jul 15, 2017

Honestly, no one gives a mother fuck you went to a top school. Fucks like you, and I'm assuming you're another Asian prestige whore, give finance a bad name. As long as everything you do is 100% correct on the job, and you don't ask questions you're good to your bosses. They couldn't give two fucks if you went to Harvard or Stanford, they just want their bitch work done. Get that through your stupid thick skull and maybe people will actually like you.

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Jul 16, 2017

I'm Asian and I see way too many dick measuring contests in the Asian community. Even if OP is not Asian, the amount of prestige whoring in general is baffling. You don't need an Ivy to get an Investment Banking job. You just need to go to a target, preferably, and network your ass out. Sure, fellows at Ivy might be "smarter", but there are also a lot of dumb people without common sense or courtesy.

Aug 3, 2017
ROK_Marines:

don't need an Ivy to get an Investment Banking job. You just need to go to a target, preferably, and network your ass out.

Ivy schools are target schools?

Jul 16, 2017

Students from top universities are usually better students than those from weaker schools, however, being successful professionally doesn't have much to do with being a good student.

Jul 16, 2017

A lot of people who went to state schools got accepted into "far superior" ivy league schools but smartly decided against 6 figures of debt for a bachelor's degree.

The Ivy League is a good representation of America social strata in 2017. Kids of the super wealthy and super poor and no one left in the middle.

Jul 16, 2017

What was the purpose of writing this?

I kept waiting for you to write something I cared about.

Jul 16, 2017

Extremely nerdy guy majoring in engineering at UC Berkeley with high GPA loses his virginity

Guy writes post on WSO about how he isn't nerdy

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Aug 2, 2017

kick rocks, you fucking nerd.

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Aug 2, 2017
donek221010:

Students at top universities are generally superior to students at lower-ranked universities

donek221010:

I think it makes sense to judge people based on where they go to college.

Except a person's entire worth isn't judged purely off their academic performance, dork

It makes sense to judge students based on where they go to college, not people.

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Aug 2, 2017

What in God's name did I just read?

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Aug 3, 2017
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"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee