The Wealthy are Underpaid

The New York Times Magazine recently published a particularly interesting and timely piece on the role and importance of the wealthy in our nation. Writer Adam Davidson interviewed former Bain Capital employee Edward Conard, whose book "Unintended Consequences: Why Everything You've Been Told About the Economy is Wrong" will be published next month, in order to gain some perspective from a member of the class that some claim are ruining our democracy.

Davidson takes us through Conard's background and his fascinating logic on income equality, the financial crisis, risk-takers vs. "art history majors", and more. Overall, Conard argues persuasively that inequality is great for the overall health of the country. According to him, income inequality is simply the result of investors being rewarded for their contributions to society, and he also claims that society actually receives a disproportional amount of benefit from the wealthy's investments. Concard goes as far to say that the "wealth concentrated at the top should be twice as large."

Personally, I agree with his points on how investments of the wealthy benefit everyone, and the article does point out it is a widely accepted idea. I do, however, disagree with his following views:

The financial crisis, he writes, was not the result of corrupt bankers selling dodgy financial products. It was a simple, old-fashioned run on the banks, which, he says, were just doing their job ... people don’t realize that what happened in 2008 was nearly identical to what happened in 1929,” he says.

Conard concedes that the banks made some mistakes, but the important thing now, he says, is to provide them even stronger government support. He advocates creating a new government program that guarantees to bail out the banks if they ever face another run. As for exotic derivatives, Conard doesn’t see a problem. He argues that collateralized-debt obligations, credit-default swaps, mortgage-backed securities and other (now deemed toxic) financial products were fundamentally sound.

Some sound thoughts:

As Conard told me, one of the crucial lessons he learned at Bain is that it makes no sense to look for easy solutions. In a competitive market, all that’s left are the truly hard puzzles. And they require extraordinary resources. While we often hear about the greatest successes — penicillin, the iPhone — we rarely hear about the countless failures and the people and companies who financed them.

Some not so sound advice perhaps:

There’s also the fact that Conard applies a relentless, mathematical logic to nearly everything, even finding a good spouse. He advocates, in utter seriousness, using demographic data to calculate the number of potential mates in your geographic area. Then, he says, you should set aside a bit of time for “calibration” — dating as many people as you can so that you have a sense of what the marriage marketplace is like. Then you enter the selection phase, this time with the goal of picking a permanent mate. The first woman you date who is a better match than the best woman you met during the calibration phase is, therefore, the person you should marry. By statistical probability, she is as good a match as you’re going to get.

He is too quick to dismiss the rise of "crony capitalism" and the potential dangers when one class holds too much power.

"I don’t want to talk about rent-seeking,” he told me. “When you go off to a third-world country, there’s a dictator who says, ‘I’m giving the telephone franchise to my brother-in-law.’ It’s pretty hard to do that here."

Davidson sums up his own views in paragraph near the end:

The rich could earn a great deal of wealth through their own hard work, skill and luck. They could also use their subsequent influence to make themselves even richer. One of the great political and economic challenges of our time is figuring out the balance between wealth that benefits society and wealth that distorts. Of course we want to encourage people to take risks and find areas of productive innovation. It’s just not in the interest of the United States to allow wealth to skew the political process so that good new ideas are barred.

What are your thoughts on the article?
What points do you feel strongly for or against?
Will you read Conard's book?

Link to article

 

Agree with his statement about wealth, but TOTALLY disagree with his statement about double the government support. The combination of his two views points to the fact that he isn't a capitalist, he's a big-government corporatist who wants to strengthen the relationship between government and business. He's the guy who gives capitalism a bad name when in reality it's not capitalism that he advocates. He's the guy responsible for people shouting "the free market doesn't work!" when it's really not a free market.

Privatized profits, socialized losses.

 

Not to mention, this asshole solely equates success with wealth. Not everyone aspires to be super rich. Some people just want to make a decent living and enjoy their leisure time.

This jackass more or less assumes that if someone has less money than him, it's because they aren't trying hard enough to make more money...when, in reality, not everyone measures success the same way he does. What a cunt.

 

Also, his views on the crisis and a permanent bailout system is fucking insane. This guy is either incredibly uninformed or is a complete psychopath.

Here's what I want. An hour to debate his bitchass on the crisis. After the debate, I'll fuck his ass up in a street fight.

 
He advocates creating a new government program that guarantees to bail out the banks if they ever face another run.

This single sentence pretty much invalidates any credibility he ever had.

Also earning $5 doesn't mean that you've created $5 of wealth. For example, buying a Gucci handbag is simply a transfer of wealth. If you consider the opportunity cost of all the work put into making that handbag and marketing it to you, the wealth created to society is probably negative.

 
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He advocates creating a new government program that guarantees to bail out the banks if they ever face another run.

See, this is the shit that pisses me off. Under what conditions would a big bank be able to fail?? If it finally naturally declines over a period of years to the point where it's finally small enough to then fail?

What the government is doing by guaranteeing a corporation's survival is essentially nationalizing it. Think about it. How pissed off would you be if you owned a small bank and the U.S. government said that regardless of how proitable the big bank is, regardless of what it does, it will. not. fail. It really and truly is fucked up if you think about it. I understand the logic (but I don't necessarily agree with it) of one-time bailouts. But what this guy is advocating is fucking nuts.

 
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He advocates creating a new government program that guarantees to bail out the banks if they ever face another run.

See, this is the shit that pisses me off. Under what conditions would a big bank be able to fail?? If it finally naturally declines over a period of years to the point where it's finally small enough to then fail?

What the government is doing by guaranteeing a corporation's survival is essentially nationalizing it. Think about it. How pissed off would you be if you owned a small bank and the U.S. government said that regardless of how proitable the big bank is, regardless of what it does, it will. not. fail. It really and truly is fucked up if you think about it. I understand the logic (but I don't necessarily agree with it) of one-time bailouts. But what this guy is advocating is fucking nuts.

I agree. And the worst part of the guarantee is that while they are essentially nationalized, they aren't even held accountable. It's almost the worst of both worlds. Crony capitalism

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."
 

Either beyond idiotic, or this is a marketing gimmick intended to stir up controversy so he can get more exposure.

I thinks its clever marketing. Not only did he get the attention of the NY Times, he got his own discussion on WSO.

Man made money, money never made the man
 

This is my last post. Between the new memes that are beginning to overtake this site and the overall ignorant view of things I think that it's time to hang up my socks.

The 2008 TARP funds were not a bailout in any sense of the word. If you don't understand this point PLEASE GTFO. It was the U.S. trying to avoid a mad frenzy that would result in a run on the banks. Bernanke, having studied and committed his time in academia towards better solving the Great Depression knew that something like that would be absolutely killer to our economy. He then decided that the fact the U.S. could print money and lend to these banks made it an easy choice: Potentially crippling an entire economy that drives foriegn and domestic progress or risking 800B dollars to banks that would almost guarantee 80% collateral.

They did this and a run on the bank was avoided. Later, in 2012 all the funds were repaid in full + interest. Yes, that is right. Now we face moderate unemployment and potential inflation risks but do you really think that is so bad given the situation we were facing!?!??!

 
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Oxford Dictionary:
bailout

Pronunciation: /ˈbeɪlaʊt/ noun informal

an act of giving financial assistance to a failing business or economy to save it from collapse. 

Looks like you're wrong buddy. I was working at a TARP recipient back in 2008 and I was well aware that if something wasn't done soon, some banks were going to go down (probably not mine, incidentally). The consequences for the global economy of such a meltdown would have been brutal to be sure. But it would have been the death of the post-Glass-Steagall TBTF model and a major victory for true capitalism. The current model encourages the misallocation of capital and excessive risk-taking by promising the socialization of losses.

And speaking of memes, get out of here with that TARP was paid back crap. TARP isn't the whole story and the taxpayer is still taking a huge bath on AIG. I'm also unsure of why you are trying to attribute the bailout to Bernanke's academic background. You do know TARP was a Treasury program launched by Hank Paulson right? As far as Bernanke goes, the man clearly hasn't learned you can't push on a string. QE2 was about as useless as they come, save to goose inflation.

I'm not sure I actually would have favored giving zero assistance to the US banks. But there should have been some serious strings attached to that money.

 

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