Transferring into BYU or Cornell
I am probably going to be transferring in BYU marriott school of management to pursue a finance degree. I want to get into investment banking, and I know a long VP at GS in Jersey City (also spent many years in NYC) who thinks highly of me. With this and high grades at BYU (near 4.0, I am transferring from a CC with a 3.95 and 65 credits and AA degree), plus joining the investment banking club, do I have to good shot to get in at a BB for IBD or S&T? I don't see a lot of posts about BYU, so I wanted to see everyones opinion.
I kind of wanted to go to cornell, but I could probably only have a chance at ILR or PAM and not AEM or CAS-Eco. What would be better between ILR or PAM at Cornell, or BYU Marriot for investment banking? I think as a student though, I would be very happy at BYU and excel. Is this a good decision for an aspiring ibanker? I am from florida, and I think BYU would be better for my career than any school in this state while still being super affordable. There are a multitude of reasons I want to attend besides cost though (based on ILR or PAM better than BYU for finance related fields? I am very concerned about lack of extracurriculars keeping me out of cornell though.
Thanks.
are u mormon???????????????????????? if u do not want a college/real world/social experience....... then go to byu and be awkward..............
Partially agree with freebanker. If you aren't a "Mormon" going to BYU would be a stretch. The Marriott School of Business is a fabulous school and it's becoming more and more highly recognized every year. It's a "non-target" recruiting school by most accounts but it has strong ties to several banks, especially with Credit Suisse. From a BYU student I have recently spoken with, I understand that there are 11 students who landed summer internships for this summer with BB investment banks. Because it isn't a core recruiting school, most of the guys with internships have near 4.0s and have excellent EC experience. BYU alum, and Mormons in general, have a very powerful professional network... This is a huge plus for BYU but if you aren't Mormon it might prove difficult get wired in, no means impossible if you aren't though.
I am not familiar enough with Cornell to compare the two opportunities. I would say, however, that getting into a BB IBD from BYU isn't a gimme. Only academic excellence along with good experience and juicing the network can get you in from BYU.
My $0.02. Take it for what its worth.
It is Marriott School of Management- not Marriott School of Business.
If he's not Mormon he might as well convert because there is a pretty strict, nay incredibly strict, honor code that precludes everything most college students would consider fun. That being said, there's a lot of time to do homework and make the 4.0 and I sort of liked BYU when I went out to visit, some of the kids are pretty cool and a lot of them are very smart. Also, graduating BYU you can get a decent job outside of banking and will be positioned well for a good graduate school if you do not make the initial cut out of undergrad.
If you aren't Mormon, you should go and shoot a documentary while you are there.
And shit dude, the skiing will be absolutely AMAZING, but you're from Florida so I guess that's not a big concern.
Dpietru, I know everything the honor code entails. I can accept it, some of the things such as no tea/coffee is pretty ridiculous (I drink a lot of tea), but I can put up with it for the 1 1/2 years I would be on campus. I am more interested in learning and making excellent grades than partying all the time (I live in gainesville, fl my whole life so I know a little bit about partying and it gets boring after a while).
The documentary idea is pretty funny. I have been thinking I would have a lot of stories to tell after I graduated about how different my experience was. I am also very interested in the skiing btw. I am big into watersports down here, and while I have never even seen snow I don't see how I couldn't enjoy skiing or snowboarding.
monkeyman7, I expect academic excellence wherever I go though. My CC gpa will carry over to BYU and I will start with a 3.95, but I am going to retake the equivalent to the one class I got a B in when I get there (if I decide to go) since my CC won't let me, and it would be an easy A. It was just a computer class that I tested out of in order to to meet a deadline for UF since it was a prereq and I needed 5 with grades on my transcript before applying. Those bastards denied me because of budget problems though, and now the CC won't let me take the class because I got a C or better. BYU only keep the most recent grade though, so when I take the class and get an A that will be only included in the GPA.
I think I can maintain a 4.0 or very close at BYU, and probably will have an easier time because of there not being many distractions. Will also give me plenty of free time to networks and do ECs like the ibanking club, etc.
From talking with a BYU student for almost half an hour, I got that unless someone started talking about the book of Mormon for whatever reason to me that no one will be able to tell I am not Mormon when just walking around. I don't know how the alumni would feel about helping a non LDS student, but most of the Mormons that I have ever met were unusually nice.
Do you guys think a VP of bank relations and market infrastructure at Goldman Sachs in jersey city that has been with GS 25+ years many in NYC giving me a strong backing along with good grades and extracurriculars would give me a good shot at getting in out of BYU?
tried to edit another post and it made a new one instead... anyways, I was just saying that I found out that the admissions numbers cornell has includes guaranteed transfers which skews the percentages significantly. I still think I have a good chance of being admitted though and will be putting all my effort into getting my app together as well as I can.
Go to Cornell and don't look back...
Thats what I am heavily leaning towards right now. I am doing some things this summer that will help improve my chances greatly, and give me something else to write about on the essay. I can't find any internships related to banking though, but I can intern for a CPA. Will this look good to the admissions committee? I am also doing a bunch of things with my eco professor soon. If I get accepted to Cornell, I am pretty sure that I will be going.
Does anyone know how much they care about HS transcripts for transfers though? I did pretty poor in the tenth grade making a good many C's. 12th grade I had like a 4.5 weighted, I improved every year after 10th grade, and didn't do terrible in the 9th. I think I had like a 3.55 weighted, but didn't take any college classes until the 12th grade. I do have a 2 year aa degree with 3.95 though, so hopefully they care much more about that.
Just to let you know BYU is extremely competitive academically. Don't think you'll be able to walk in and get amazing grades, even though you've had some success on a CC level. Most if not all male students are RMs, and come with that acquired work ethic and drive. Many students think they're entitled, so they'll do what's necessary to get what they think they deserve. Keep in mind a large majority of people from Utah will think of you as an elitist, this trend is also becoming more apparent. My suggestion is go somewhere where you know you'll be competitive, the school will fund your education, and the University has some type of recognition. You're not from Utah so don't think BYU will exemplify what the church stands for, that is if you are a member. If your goal is to meet a lady with your standards and not just get an education I guess BYU would do just fine. You can get an excellent education many places and still be faithful.
I would agree that BYU is extremely competitive. What do you mean when you say, "Keep in mind a large majority of people from Utah will think of you as an elitist, this trend is also becoming more apparent." I don't see much logic to support this comment.
I'm glad you're excited about Cornell. From my perspective, it looks like the right decision.
Exit.
Yeah, BYU is my backup now. I am going to apply to Cornell, and outside of EC's everything on my application will be excellent. Have had 3 jobs since high 11th grade in HS, with almost 2 years of total work each over 6 months, will get 2 excellent professor recommendations (I know one will go out of his way to say how good of a student I am), good reports from the school (top 5%), not that great HS transcripts (something like a 3.3 unweighted), but I have 2 years of college done so it shouldn't be so important since my college GPA was so high. I think as long as I write excellent essays that I will have a great shot of getting in ILR after talking with the admissions office the other day. Unless they view EC's as the most important thing everything else should be solid. I have been in a church group for about 4 years, would that be OK to put as an EC? I need to think of anything else I did that could count because I never did any clubs in HS or college unfortunately.
"Many students think they're entitled, so they'll do what's necessary to get what they think they deserve."
This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't being entitled imply that they DON'T do what's necessary to get what they think they deserve, and in that sense don't deserve it?
"Keep in mind a large majority of people from Utah will think of you as an elitist, this trend is also becoming more apparent."
This is garbage. I doubt a "large majority" of people in Utah view BYU students as elitist. Admissions keep getting tougher, but in the real world nobody with an ounce of maturity keeps this kind of chip on their shoulder. That's like saying, "don't go to Harvard because some people in Boston view you as being elitist."
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Let me break it down simply for you…
Entitled kids are the ones who feel that because of their station in life, e.g. wealthy, well-educated, etc., they deserve a great job regardless of how hard they work. Clearly, you don’t understand this meaning and would’ve been better served by substituting “motivated”, “hard-working”, or “ambitious” instead. I’ll give you credit for realizing later that you didn’t know what you were talking about.
Wow, this is one of the most baseless things I’ve ever read. What exactly is a “large majority” anyway? Let’s call it, say 70% or 80%, of the total Utah population of approx. 2.5 million. And how exactly have you determined that a) this huge proportion of the total Utah population thinks BYU kids are “elitist”, and b) there is a “trend” to this number that is becoming more apparent? Do you have any data whatsoever to back this up, or is this just anecdotal from your community college friends’ attitudes (read: chip on shoulder.).
Note: I am not the only poster who called you out on this ridiculous statement.
When exactly did I try to prove that BYU is loved by the majority of people from Utah? I, and another poster here, said that your statement doesn’t make sense. The problem is YOU are trying to prove something, with no stats I might add, and yet you claim the burden of proof is on me to produce stats? My only goal in this thread is to reveal to any interested parties, namely the OP, that your opinions are purely anecdotal and asinine.
If you actually read the thread before you started posting, which I see is a trend that is “becoming more apparent” for you, you’d realize that the OP is indeed not a Mormon. However, I’m sure you’re right about the other point about what “the church” stands for. Why would anyone expect BYU, which is chaired and ran by the exact same leaders that are in charge of the Mormon church, to be similar to, or exemplify, the church? Especially since, as you said yourself, “most if not all of the male students” spent significant time as official representatives of the church--that doesn’t make much sense does it?
Please look up the definition of “elitist.” It does NOT simply mean having money or power. It is an attitude whereby those who have money, or power, or intelligence, i.e. not you, think their opinions are more important or that they should receive preferential treatment. This is not entirely different from “entitled” as previously discussed. The term has a negative connotation, which would’ve been readily observable to you if you paid attention to anything outside of Utah, evidenced by Obama having to defend accusations that he was elitist in the recent Pennsylvania primary.
You said that OP should be aware that this elitist attitude, or at least a perception of the same, exists. I’m saying it really wouldn’t affect the OP except in instances where someone had a “chip on their shoulder.” For instance, the OP wants to get hired at an IB and the HR manager at said IB is a graduate of an inferior school and dings OP unnecessarily. However, in the professional world, people, at least mature ones, aren’t insecure about their school anymore. You’ll realize this once you graduate with your AA and start work at the Fidelity call center in SLC, assuming they’re still hiring from SLCC.
Again, go back and read what I wrote before you post. You’ll notice that in actuality I did NOT compare BYU to Harvard. This is what is commonly called an analogy. I compared your moronic advice, i.e. a significant reason not to attend BYU is because Utahns consider BYU elitist, with the equally absurd advice of not attending Harvard because people in Boston view Harvard as elitist.
I think you proved my point, thanks!
IBPEHFVC -- that was an extensive rebuttal. SomeGuy -- as the judge of this debate, I declare you the looser.
Probability would suggest that you are both from Utah (as you both mentioned specifics to the area). If that's the case, probability also would indicate that you are both LDS -- and worthy priesthood brethren at that. Lets forgive one another and go about doing good, eh?
SomeGuy -- I recommend you think about what you are writing before you type it. Most people on this forum who read this will discredit most, if not all, of your comments going forward.
Good call monkeyman7.
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