What are your thoughts on people with pronouns in their signatures?

From what i've seen it's not especially common in IB compared to what my friends in law/consulting have said. I've heard from my friends in SF IB that it's a bit more common there. And obviously the HR women do it. 

To anyone here who does this who isn't actually transgender - what the fuck do you think you're even doing? You might as well replace it with "I do exactly what i'm told to do" which would have the same effect but wouldn't ever need to be updated. Because we both know if you were in Medieval Europe you'd be throwing rocks at witches, waving a little swastika flag in late 30s Germany,  holding up a little picture of Stalin on May Day in the USSR, and on and on. Because if you uncritically accept something this absurd there literally isn't anything you wouldn't "go with the flow" on. 

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  • Intern in IB-M&A
Sep 28, 2021 - 7:50pm

Yeah, I do not get it. For anyone that says "it's to make others feel more comfortable", that's bullshit. You shouldn't feel uncomfortable that I identify with normal pronouns like 98% of the population. 

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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Sep 29, 2021 - 2:14am

That's exactly the point dumbass - socially aware humans understand gender does not equal sex organs, and such one cannot always assume that because you have certain sex organs that you identify with the associated gender.

  • VP in IB - Gen
Sep 29, 2021 - 7:31pm

That's exactly the point dumbass - socially aware humans understand gender does not equal sex organs, and such one cannot always assume that because you have certain sex organs that you identify with the associated gender.

Memorializing so people can continue to throw MS at original post even after it's been deleted.
 

Hehehe.

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Sep 28, 2021 - 9:24pm

There was a recent thread exactly about this that gained a lot of attention. Personally I have never met anyone besides one consultant who has listed pronouns in anything work-related. I don't see how anyone who truly thinks pronouns need to be listed can be respected in a professional environment, or any environment for that matter. On a somewhat related note, I have worked with gay people before and never had an issue as I treated them as just another human being and they did the same to me. Sure, sometimes one of my gay coworkers might act "extra" a bit too much for my liking, but he's a nice dude.

  • Intern in IB - Gen
Sep 29, 2021 - 12:56am

It's a coded language. It tells me that they are progressive in the political spectrum and are far leftists. They most likely think Bernie Sanders or AOC are visionaries and some of the greatest thinkers of our time. It might sound ludicrous for me to make these assumptions just from pronouns, but from my personal experience, it's right like 80-90% of the time. Anyone that I follow on instagram that has pronouns or BLM in their bio almost always is a raging leftist that is very vocal with displaying their authoritarian political views on a variety of issues. They may try to explain away the authoritarianism by claiming it can't be such since their goal is to help people. Little do they know that just because they're masking their authoritarianism with humanitarianism, does not make their views any less authoritarian. 

Sep 29, 2021 - 3:47am

I don't get it, I'm sure they're signaling or overcompensating for something. 

However, it doesn't affect me at all. If you want me to call you "they" or something wacky, sure. Plus, I want to keep my head low in these hyper woke times.

I find that people without real problems tend to focus on nonsensical shit like someone mistakenly calling them the wrong identifier.

  • Analyst 2 in IB-M&A
Sep 29, 2021 - 5:53am

I don't really care if they do, but I will say that I find it extremely unprofessional.

To me its the equivalent of putting your political views on your signature, it shows you are incapable of separating your personal views from your work, which to me is a no go.

  • Associate 1 in IB - Gen
Sep 29, 2021 - 10:15am

Most people find performative political virtue signaling obnoxious. 

Sep 29, 2021 - 4:47pm

I have mine as short as my company allows me to have it

name

title

NMLS number (regulatory requirement)

address (3 lines, mandated by regulators, I'd delete this)

phone

email (mandated by company, I'd delete it, you're fucking emailing me I don't need to type it again)

my website

my personal email is 

Brofessor

123-456-7899

my idea is this: if you know my name, you can find my cell phone, email, website, and 3rd party websites that have info on me, I'm easily google-able, email signatures are just self fellating. like look at this pile of steaming shit

brofessor PWM

pronouns: bro/breh/brah/braj/hella

Senior Omniprescient Director

Certified Financial Planner

Certified Narcissist

Certified Bullshit Course that took me 2 hours on a weekend but has a cool acronym

NMLS 123456

address

office phone

other office phone

cell phone

fax number (fucking seriously, we still have people that do this)

assistant phone 

email (again, WHY)

social media #1

social media #2

social media #3

website

PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS EMAIL

The best way to thank us for a job well done is to refer your friends and family to us! (seriously, people do this)

Sep 30, 2021 - 4:10pm

I don't even have a signature.  I type my name out each and every time.  Some people think this is a waste of time, I however, disagree.  It makes people subconsciously like me more.  They feel I invested more energy and thought into my response.  This way even if I am calling them a ragging cunt they will leave the email feeling satisfied. 

Sep 29, 2021 - 11:22am

I don't have pronouns in my signature and don't plan on including them, but I'm hesitant to equate non-transgender people who do include pronouns in their emails to those waving Swastika flags in the 30's. Seems like a bit of a stretch

  • Associate 1 in IB - Gen
Sep 30, 2021 - 4:11pm

It's a stretch in the sense that it's incredibly obvious why 1930s Germans would support a strongman and eloquent speaker promising to fix all of their problems. They were newly united in an era of ethnic nationalism and saw German majority areas living under non-German governments, they were unfairly blamed and punished for WW1, they faced a severe economic depression, there was the specter of communism just to the east of them, and they were much more accustomed to autocratic government than democracy. So a guy comes in who hits on all of these points and promises to restore them to prominence. It's pretty easy to connect the dots between the circumstances in early 20th century Germany and the rise of the Third Reich.

now make a similar writeup for retards whose gender is incredibly obvious putting pronouns in their bio to virtue signal for dickgirls 

  • VP in IB - Gen
Sep 29, 2021 - 11:55am

Who gives a f**k?  I don't put mine and never will unless I'm forced to but I don't care wtf my juniors do and if it looks cringey / woke to others as long as they can do their work properly.  The fact that people actually dwell on this so much that they need to start a WSO thread on this is mind-boggling and it's no wonder that the most opinionated posters on this seem to be analysts who are at the age where they think people care about their political opinion. 

  • Associate 1 in IB - Gen
Sep 30, 2021 - 4:11pm

you SHOULD care. Stupid shit like this shouldn't be tolerated. Mockery is a kind of social immune system. 2004 libs made similar points against "slippery slope" arguments. Now that we're about 75% down the slope, I think it's obvious that they were wrong.  

if you put pronouns in your bio, you're a moron and should be mocked for being a moron

  • VP in IB - Gen
Sep 30, 2021 - 4:11pm

there are multiple heads of groups at my and other banks who have it in their signature but I'm sure you'd be willing to call them a moron and mock them.  Like I said, I will never put pronouns in my name and personally don't care much about what you do other than your work quality if you report to me. if you personally have a hard-on for mockery, then go for it.  I'm just trying to do my job well and carry on with my life, not try to live some real-life version of Litquidity or Linkedin Flex at my workplace.

Sep 29, 2021 - 12:47pm

I don't care about your plumbing or whom you're sleeping with. But anyone who uses a plural pronoun (they/them) ahead of a singular subject is my enemy for life. 

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Sep 29, 2021 - 5:01pm

Yes, for a subject whose gender is unknown (less clunky than "his or her" and less presumptuous than just "his"), or when paired with everyone / anyone, which are technically singular indefinite pronouns but widely interepreted as plural. 

I'm definitely not woke enough but referring to an actual person with they/them is a grammatical abomination.

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  • VP in IB - Gen
Sep 29, 2021 - 1:27pm

pretty much what I said.  Ironically smacks of insecurity in their own masculinity to be so caught up in other people putting their pronouns in their name, lmao.

Sep 29, 2021 - 6:54pm

Exactly. I honestly don't get why all these insecure conservative beta males are so offended to what other people's pronouns are and if they put it next to their name or not for the sake of basic identification. Like this shit doesn't affect you at all, yet they make everything so goddamn political when it isn't. 

Contra omnes dissident
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Sep 30, 2021 - 4:10pm

Except it does affect you.  Firstly through compelled speech, but we will leave that for another day.  Secondly because there is going to be some senior exec at a client copany who sees that shit a blows a gasket. 

  • Associate 2 in IB - Cov
Sep 29, 2021 - 1:59pm

This might be a hot take, but I find it helpful. I work with a lot of international clients with non traditional names. I will routinely check linkedin for their gender to make sure I'm using the correct pronouns.

As for the trans gender part, I try not to read into it too much. I do assume they're trying signal their progressive values though.

Sep 29, 2021 - 4:55pm

I agree, I have found it is very helpful when dealing with international clients. I really doubt you can ascribe a political affiliation or set of values across a broad spectrum of international clients through their use of pronouns though. 

  • Incoming Analyst in IB - Cov
Sep 29, 2021 - 5:11pm

It's incredibly embarrassing to see. I will do everything in my power never to display mine. In an academic setting it's becoming very hard to avoid. I hope banks don't force people's hand on this myopic issue

Sep 29, 2021 - 6:49pm

Pretty embarrassing thread here, I feel compelled to say that most professionals actually take LBTQ awareness seriously.

People who include pronouns in their signatures are just doing their part to express solidarity and support for people that might otherwise feel reservations about being themselves in a professional environment in way consistent with norms in LBTQ communities. Part of being an adult is going out of your way to understand different views and accepting people for who they are.

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
Sep 29, 2021 - 7:58pm

Professionals generally, sure, given that most professionals are midwit drones who do exactly what they're told and take their social cues from people they perceive to be more elite than them. But I haven't seen much of it in banking which is much more full of people with a rational-analytical mindset who aren't as scared to go against the grain if they see something stupid. This is pretty obvious from the vote counts in this topic. What people SHOULD do is treat people fairly and politely. But that doesn't mean putting blinders on and ignoring obvious patterns or losing your grip on reality. 

If you're putting pronouns in your bio to highlight your gender that is incredibly obvious to everyone so that you can show solidarity with people with dicks who think they're girls, you've joined a cult. A powerful cult, sure, but a cult. Should have picked Scientology. 

Sep 29, 2021 - 7:50pm

I usually either delete the email or throw the letter in the garbage before I even get to that point because anyone wasting time shoving their " story" down my throat   usually has little value or insight to add that is of help to me.

  • Analyst 1 in CorpFin
Sep 29, 2021 - 9:10pm

I've seen the pronouns in sig thing quite a number of times and honestly haven't even spared it a thought. If you or anyone else is actually bristled by this, then you might be as neurotic and/or as much as a snowflake as the people you are judging. Seriously, why would anyone even give a fuck about that? Do some introspection

  • Associate 1 in IB - Gen
Sep 29, 2021 - 9:30pm

It's obviously pretty absurd regardless. But if you're a normal person and including pronouns for your actual gender.. why you do that? Thx for confirming what my eyes told me instantly

  • Associate 1 in Consulting
Sep 29, 2021 - 9:42pm

Is IB generally less liberal than consulting? I'm amazed by how many people agree with this. It's refreshing tbh. I've posted this same question on fishbowl and it got reported within minuets.

Sep 29, 2021 - 11:32pm

It is fine.  Doesn't bother me at all since 99% of those that do it are forced/virtue signalling anyway.

This is the number one reason, I only ever use peoples names or sir/maam.  If the person gets bent out of shape over sir/maam (99% do not), then I just go back to their name.  If they get belligerent about it (1 or 2 have), I let them know that my prefetred pronouns are King / Jesus Christ / Gyq'rty'xpoiknbv and ask to politely refer to me as such.

Namaste.

D.O.U.G.

Sep 30, 2021 - 12:56am

Another Jordan Peterson jock sniffer. It's not that serious man. This is not the hill you should die on to prevent communism.

Frankly, I appreciate it if I've only had email correspondence with people and their name is unisex or even girls that have boy names, like Dylan or Tyler.

Further, if you start wearing a dress to work, you'll probably become unfireable (don't think that's a word) and might even get promoted easily. I'm sure there's a race amongst the BBs to appoint the first transgender MD.

Sep 30, 2021 - 9:50am

It doesn't really affect me so I don't really care. Is it a bit cringe? Sure, but whatever. You do you and I'll do me and we can respect each other either way and get the job done (as long as they aren't peddling their SJW authoritarian shit at work which is probably what they do on social media). 

  • Associate 1 in IB - CB
Sep 30, 2021 - 4:10pm

kiltedlowlander

It doesn't really affect me so I don't really care. Is it a bit cringe? Sure, but whatever. You do you and I'll do me and we can respect each other either way and get the job done (as long as they aren't peddling their SJW authoritarian shit at work which is probably what they do on social media). 

Agree but the point is that someone who goes out of their way to put pronouns in their email signature is significantly more likely to peddle authoritarian SJW shit at work than someone who doesn't.

Not talking about people from a different ethnic background than that of the majority of their colleagues whose gender may not be apparent from their first name and not even necessarily talking about LinkedIn which occasionally prompts you to enter them (the latter is still somewhat suspect but not nearly as much so as an email signature or resume).

To put it another way--if someone shows up for an interview wearing a red tie with MAGA written down it that's exceptionally poor judgment and I wouldn't hire him. On the other hand if he comes to the interview, behaves and dresses normally but then I happen to see him later that day getting into his car which has a Trump or Bernie sticker I'm not going to hold that against him, he didn't bring it into the office. 

Sep 30, 2021 - 10:40am

since most of the mockery has been done, to me pronouns in the bio are a definitive marker I should limit interactions with that person to the minimum, desiderably none at all

Mostly because the chances of the individual in question being batshit insane are almost certainty

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Sep 30, 2021 - 2:14pm

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