White Cotton Button-Down Oxford
Title. Any brand recommendations that make them in numbered sizes? (16.5 35) Preferably no logo or pocket
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Mercer & sons make a really good oxford, but you would have to do custom tailoring to get shirts made without a pocket. Brooks Brothers recently started making their "original polo" oxford shirt without a pocket and it seems like it's of a decent quality
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Yeah, it's a really small operation and the custom shirts can take upwards of six weeks. So you are right—kind of a pain. The product is great, though
Amazon launched a private label line that uses the same extra-long-staple Supima cotton as Brooks Brothers, with similar construction quality, at ~ half the price. Their Fitted fit has similar fit through the body as Brooks Brothers Milano. I have several and I'm very happy with the quality.
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Collars and shoulders are hardest to fit. BB probably does them better than anyone. Fabric, workmanship and fit elsewhere (sleeves and chest) are pretty easy for everyone to do well.
If you have the time and the money, BB MTM is the way to go.
I looked at Amazon's shirts but it looks like they only have regular fit ? Is it the case ? How do they feel ? I don't want extra fabric under armpit you see!! Ahah
Amazon Buttoned Down comes in three fits, and they have a very aggressive Unconditional Satisfaction Guarantee: "If you are not completely satisfied with your Buttoned Down shirt at any time, we are happy to give you a full refund."
Here's how they describe the different fits:
Classic is our roomiest fit, cut broader across the shoulders and relaxed through the chest and body.
Tailored is cut 1.5" slimmer through the chest and 2.75" slimmer in the waist compared to our Classic Fit.
Fitted is cut 2.5" slimmer through the chest and 2" slimmer in the waist compared to Classic Fit.
If you're interested in a free online service that tells you which brand/fit is best for you, DM me
This looks like a brooks brothers but without enough tuck in length. Need a good tuck in length.
You're right that the tails are a bit shorter than Brooks Brothers. Haven't found it to be a problem.
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If you are willing to consider material other than oxfords, give mizzen+main a shot...its a gym shirt that looks like brooks brothers. Worth the price. All I wear - https://imgur.com/a/h5yXm8H 16.5 35 is probably a large.
https://mbsy.co/hHdMs = $25 off
If you're not wearing a tie and rolling up the sleeves, approximate fit like Mizzen & Main or Uniqlo might work out just fine, particularly if you match one of the models they had in mind when they did their S/M/L sizing.
When you're wearing jacket & tie, you really don't want a collar that's either uncomfortably tight or loose & sloppy. You also want sleeves that show just a bit beyond your jacket, but never cover your hands. Bad fit is apparent across a conference room, way before they can see that you're wearing a really nice watch.
You can check out the sizing here. When charts like this say "16-16.5" or "33.5-34" they tend to be at the upper end of the range. https://www.mizzenandmain.com/pages/fit-guide-dress-shirts
I highly recommend Kamakura. They have a showroom located in NYC as well as an online store. They produce one of the best RTW button down OCBD shirts out there (great collar roll), similar to what BB was making 15-20 years ago before their quality went down hill. The knit dress shirts are also fantastic.
Second this
I tend to have a hard time finding shirt that will last because my arms are long to the point where shirts in size 35 sleeve length fit me exactly. If my shirts shrink just half an inch in sleeve length I start running into problems.
Since I've been wearing Brooks Brothers 16 35 dress shirts as casual shirts instead of buying regular L sized shirts, I've stopped running into this problem. From personal experience I can tell you the quality of the Supima cotton is good because after multiple washes, the shirts still don't shrink.
Are you satisfied with Brooks Brothers fit, or is Milano still too baggy around the waist?
Funny you mention it. I've been wearing BB for sometime now and I'm a skinny guy (6'2", ~170lbs). I've always worn BB's slimmest fit in shirts. They changed their fits not too long ago and renamed their slimmest fit "Extra Slim fit" to "Milano". It was an ok fit in terms of baggy back in the pre Milano days but I've honestly noticed that now that the fits have changed a bit and the names have changed, Milano fits really well. It's definitely slim and well worth the money when they run their sales.
Glad it works for you. Guys who are looking for trimmer waist can find it in London from Charles Tyrwhitt Super Slim of TM Lewin Super Fitted.
If your like to find out which off-the-rack brands were designed with you in mind, Google my handle.
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"The Oxford collar is for college professors, democratic socialists, and people who still shop at Brooks Brothers."
Yeah I'm not sure why people here are buying oxford collars for work. On the weekends under a sweater, sure, but your collar shouldn't have buttons in a formal setting. This isn't the early 90s.
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