Working through the Weekend - Good or Dreadful Idea?

I know some Apes here work through the weekend. Which of you here thinks this is a good idea and which of you here thinks this is a bad idea?

If you're working a hundred hour weeks you are definitely working on the weekends.

**Question** And if working hundred hour weeks is what it takes to succeed are you willing to commit?

Some have a strong propensity for the work-life balance while others believe that work is life and there is no such thing as work-life balance.

**Question** At what stage does it no longer makes sense to be working hundred hour weeks and really to go for a more Balanced Life?

Personally, I work thru the weekends all the time I think it is kind of fun. This habit started at Georgia Tech carried itself through the military and now it's normal. Having a life is an on-off switch and I could turn it on and off whenever I feel like it.

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Mar 27, 2017 - 11:28am

I like to have multiple anvils in the fire, so weekends are for side projects. I've been known to go into the office on a weekend to avoid being around my wife and watch Netflix though.

What do you do exactly dude? Aren't you like a Navy butterbar who worked at an oil company and does articles now or some shit? You talk a lot about how much you work bro what do you do

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Mar 29, 2017 - 10:49am

OP is an ex-military man who works in WSO and had a messed up love life is all I know. Perhaps the last one makes it an 100 hour work week?

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Mar 29, 2017 - 2:17pm

I personally think the "100+hour workweeks" mentioned on here are bullshit. I just do not believe any employer, manager,VP, etc. would expect someone to be in the office AT LEAST 8AM - 10PM, 7 days a week (or any variation of 100 hours for that matter).

Now, for those monkeys trying to go"beyond expecations" and demonstrate "commitment", I think you are doing more harm that good.

EDIT: I am not doubting that there will be SOME 100 hour weeks. But I am referring to every week as OP's post seems to imply.

 
Mar 27, 2017 - 12:09pm

Do you have any idea what deal close time is like? Because 100 hour weeks at the close of a deal is pretty normal. I don't even have a corporate job and I work 7am-12pm 7 days a week. If you can't handle 8-10 7 days a week you need to set your sights on something else.

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Mar 27, 2017 - 6:41pm

heister:

Do you have any idea what deal close time is like? Because 100 hour weeks at the close of a deal is pretty normal. I don't even have a corporate job and I work 7am-12pm 7 days a week. If you can't handle 8-10 7 days a week you need to set your sights on something else.

Wow that's 35 hours per week!

(Teasing since I know you meant 12am)

 
Mar 27, 2017 - 6:14pm

Obviously this is an IB focused thread, but I will give me external perspective. It depends.

Is the work you are doing going to be value add? Will it set you ahead for the week, or are you just working to work? I have plenty of opportunities to work from home over the weekend, I would say only 10% of the time it actually makes sense for me to do so - whether that's because I require people to respond and I know I wont get the responses or I may not even be able to work something because I need guidance or a co-worker to partner with due to scope.

I'd say the real reasons to work weekends are for getting valuable face time (non-existent in my line of work) or because you are setting your following week up for success in doing so.

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Mar 27, 2017 - 9:24pm

I used work stupid hours all the time, now just at deal time when it gets a bit out of hand. I think if you are board at the weekend then doing a little work so you can go out and chill with mates during the week is a solid plan.

But regularly pulling 100+ weeks has weird effects on one's body. For example, putting orange juice in your nespresso machine water tank, showing your credit card instead of your passport card at the airport and looking like a twat and so on, you get the picture. It does build awesome stamina for all sorts of activities......

 
Mar 29, 2017 - 8:31am

Wallstreetneversleeps:

You forgot the 3rd option: "Not Optional"

Most people don't choose to work the weekend because it is fun - they just have things that need to be done in a timely manner and for some MD's that's 8 am on Monday so they can review when they hit the links

Yeah, on my end its not by choice. What do you do when your MD hits you with an email on Saturday and says "I need this done ASAP and would like to review this PM. Thanks" ?

 
Mar 29, 2017 - 9:24am

No one regularly works 100 hours a week. You may work 100 hours in a week once, maybe twice during your IB stint. As far as working on the weekend is concerned, you do it when you need to. If something needs to be done you do it. You don't wait until the following Monday to get back to work.

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Mar 29, 2017 - 12:38pm

Esuric:

No one regularly works 100 hours a week. You may work 100 hours in a week once, maybe twice during your IB stint. As far as working on the weekend is concerned, you do it when you need to. If something needs to be done you do it. You don't wait until the following Monday to get back to work.

This is simply not true from my experience, which admittedly was a long time ago. 100 hour weeks were much more common than once or twice in your stint. We also didn't have the new weekend rules so maybe it's changed. It was more like once every 6 - 8 weeks with the other weeks averaging 80 - 90 hours. It definitely takes a toll. I knew some analysts where it was much more frequent than that.

To the post above mapping hours it was more like 17 - 18 hours per day on weekdays and 6 - 8 hours per day on weekends.

DLJ had a famous memo from the mid-90s written by a MD that dictated that 113.5 hours/week is the right number of hours - you can see it here;

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx1…

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Mar 29, 2017 - 2:19pm

I see people working 70 - 80 hours in IB and flaunting 100+ hours a week. I had a friend who was working about 90 hours a week. One week he worked 114 hours. The dude was an animal. He lost about 40 pounds over a four month period and came close to losing his mind from all of the stress and addy. 100 hours a week means ~17 hours a day 6 days out of the week, throughout the year. That doesn't happen - at least to the dozen or so people I know that work in IB.

There's a culture in IB that promotes this sort of nonsense. I'm not sure how working that many hours is prestigious, but that's the culture. Also, an MD can say whatever the fuck he pleases. It doesn't make it reality. But who knows, maybe people really did work 100+ hours back when bankers made real money.

“Elections are a futures market for stolen property”
 
Mar 29, 2017 - 12:05pm

Working one day on the weekend is fine, it's the constantly working both days that fucks up the whole week / month.

Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
 
Mar 29, 2017 - 12:08pm

bro who says dreadful

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

https://arthuxtable.com/
 
Mar 29, 2017 - 10:54pm

I used to work weekends constantly because there's always something to be done and I thought it was helping my career.

I've learned that people who work weekends with a smile when they need to are rock stars and are highly valued employees. This attitude gets you promoted.

I've also learned that people who work weekends when they don't need to are chumps and the work is not highly valued. This doesn't get you promoted. As an aside, it also lessens the impact when you work weekends because you have to and that work is now valued less as well.

You're young, take advantage of the small amount of free time you have when it comes up. It will make you a better individual and a better employee.

 
Mar 30, 2017 - 5:11am

Really good perspective here - SB.

I generally try not to work weekends (minus a couple hours here and there to get ready for week ahead), but I have had a few instances where I worked through the weekend, and I think that is just part of the job. Thankfully, consultants do not work weekends unless you are on a high-burn project.

 
Mar 31, 2017 - 1:52pm

It really sucks and you shouldn't do it though of course it's necessary for some roles/time periods.

I often worked weekends at my old jobs and just accepted it. Then I got a more chill position where I rarely work weekends and I cannot imagine going back. I need time to myself to recharge, read, work on side projects, etc. It would be very difficult for me to have the life I want consistently working weekends.

 
Mar 31, 2017 - 1:53pm

whats the protocol on having to work weekends? (Originally Posted: 10/18/2008)

hey everyone ive gotten stuck having to work this weekend, and i was just wondering what everyone's stances are on beating off in the office. is this kosher? anyone have any tips on how to do it and not get caught? ive gotten caught before at the hedge fund i used to work at, my boss walked in and i ran out of the office and didnt come back until that monday, and i got fired. thanks in advance

 
Mar 31, 2017 - 1:59pm

Everybody's working for the weekend! (Originally Posted: 07/23/2012)

The inspiration for today's post came from a crazy new experience I had this weekend. Apparently this is a "thing" in the Bay Area, but it was all new to me. I went oyster shucking at Tomales Bay, and it was awesome! A couple of my friends dragged me along to go, and it was a nice break from the normal weekend routine that we (my roommates and I) have.

Then this got me thinking – the funny thing about life after college is how quickly you find yourself falling into routines. I'm not talking about your work routine, but rather the things you do outside of work. In my experience at least, my friends and I seem to gravitate to and subsequently cycle through one of four phases: rage mode, workout mode, travel mode, or exotic experience mode. Allow me to elaborate in a (somewhat) tongue in cheek fashion

(NB – all anecdotes are set in San Francisco):

  1. Rage Mode
  2. – aka "models and bottles" – this is the easiest routine to fall into, namely because it's a direct extension of college activities. You've put in a hard week and come Thursday/Friday night, it's rage 'o clock and it's time to get shitty. Drink of choice: Redbull vodka. Pregame music of choice: House, House, and more house blasted at retarded volumes. Bring the bitches over, get liquored up with your bros, and then it's time to hit the town. Someone busts out his iPhone and calls an uber or two (because it's fucking impossible to get a cab in this city) and we roll hella deep to Ruby Skye/Vessel/Infusion/The Grand/Mighty/Manor West/Insert Club Name here. Hilarity ensues. Before you know it you find yourself in the middle of a shit blizzard of awesomeness, and the night becomes a blur. You wake up the next morning hungover as shit, groggily search for something resembling a breakfast food, and you consult with your bros about how wasted you got the night before and how hard you raged (Dom Mazzetti sums it up quite well:
    ). Totally awesome! Wash, rinse, and then repeat.

  3. Workout Mode
  4. – aka "oh fuck I'm getting fat" mode – often as a direct consequence of rage mode, we all realize that we are getting out of shape at some point, and we need to get back in shape to effectively facilitate more rage mode. Sitting on your ass for 15 hours coupled with copious amounts of alcohol aren't exactly the recipe for a beach body. So we join a gym. We go occasionally, we lift weights, we take a class or two. And then we try something exotic. In my case, I joined an MMA gym. I now have the pleasure of getting my ass kicked on a regular basis. Nevertheless, I love it because it's something new and exciting. Plus I think it satisfies my childhood desire to take martial arts (something my parents would never let me do). After a while, however, even this becomes too much of a routine.

  5. Travel Mode
  6. – aka "I need to get out of here" mode – Enter travel mode, once you get sick of clubbing and stuck in the routine of working out/whatever physical activity with which you occupy yourself, you decide you haven't traveled enough and you need to escape whatever locale you call home. For me, this ends up being Vegas (and also facilitates a crazier version of mode #1), although I do have aspirations of international travel at some point. Remains to be seen how this will play out.

  7. Exotic Experience Mode
  8. – Last but not least, once you've exhausted options 1-3, you just want to do something new and exciting. Case in point, oyster shucking. When my friends asked me if I wanted to go, I had no idea what they were talking about. But I drove the hour and a half up north, and it turned out to be awesome. For those of you that don't know, you basically get fresh oysters and have a massive picnic/cookout (http://tomalesbayoysters.com/). A solid day all around, and it just made me want to do more! Other things on the proverbial list are skydiving, white water rafting, surfing, etc. Who knows what will come next?!

It's funny even sitting back and thinking about how we cycle through this progression..anyway, but seriously I turn it back to you guys. Do you find yourselves falling into similar sorts of "non-work" routines? Modes 1 and 2 seem to be almost universal among the "work hard, play hard" crowd, but I'd be interested to hear how people facilitate them in other cities.

 
Mar 31, 2017 - 2:05pm

I'll add one addendum. The listed modes pertain to the singles lifestyle, for those who are lucky / unlucky enough to be in a relationship, replace #1 with:

Couple Mode
Do couple stuff together - have brunch, walk around the park / stores, try that neat little "insert random cafe / desert / bakery" you always pass by but never go into. Enjoy / pretend to enjoy quality time together. Explain to single friends that you don't want to go out to Ruby Skye/Vessel/Infusion/The Grand/Mighty/Manor West/Insert Club Name here cause, well you're not single anymore...

 
Mar 31, 2017 - 2:06pm

freeloader:
I'll add one addendum. The listed modes pertain to the singles lifestyle, for those who are lucky / unlucky enough to be in a relationship, replace #1 with:

Couple Mode
Do couple stuff together - have brunch, walk around the park / stores, try that neat little "insert random cafe / desert / bakery" you always pass by but never go into. Enjoy / pretend to enjoy quality time together. Explain to single friends that you don't want to go out to Ruby Skye/Vessel/Infusion/The Grand/Mighty/Manor West/Insert Club Name here cause, well you're not single anymore...

HAH! i was about to put "girlfriend mode" where you give up going out, working out, or advancing your career to spend time with a soul-sucking leech. beat me to the punch.

i'll add a few more:

"Career Mode", where you spend time outside of work advancing your career. you could be studying for the GMATs or the CFA. you could be spending a lot of time reading the Wall Street Journal, the Economist, various books on business and your industry. maybe you learn VBA or another programming language. essentially doing whatever it takes to be the titan of industry you aspire so much to be. once the thoughs of suicide become too frequent, you usually come out of this mode and go into:

"just fuck it mode": You're experiencing burnout from the above mentioned modes so you stop working out, go through the motions at work, avoid driving out to meet with friends or make plans, and put studying for the GMAT or whatever else on the backburner. instead you go straight home after work and drink beers by yourself while watching reruns of "How I Met Your Mother" until you knock out. this is usually a transitional mode i go through in between other modes..

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
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Mar 31, 2017 - 2:08pm

So incredibly accurate. SB for you.

After every rage mode I tell myself that I need to get my shit together and that I'm done with alcohol. So I'll start a health nut routine of lifting/krav maga/racquetball/riding bike everywhere/pescatarianism, until I realize how incredibly boring I've become. Then I'll decide that I need to go somewhere and go somewhere fast. This leads to random-ass shit ranging from paddle boarding in utah to 5 day excursions into the forest (or at least preparing for them before realizing I'll never be able to pull that off). Once I realize I can't not work I start drinking. It's a vicious cycle.

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Mar 31, 2017 - 2:13pm

Californicated88:

  • Rage Mode
  • – aka "models and bottles" – this is the easiest routine to fall into, namely because it's a direct extension of college activities. You've put in a hard week and come Thursday/Friday night, it's rage 'o clock and it's time to get shitty. Drink of choice: Redbull vodka. Pregame music of choice: House, House, and more house blasted at retarded volumes. Bring the bitches over, get liquored up with your bros, and then it's time to hit the town. Someone busts out his iPhone and calls an uber or two (because it's fucking impossible to get a cab in this city) and we roll hella deep to Ruby Skye/Vessel/Infusion/The Grand/Mighty/Manor West/Insert Club Name here. Hilarity ensues. Before you know it you find yourself in the middle of a shit blizzard of awesomeness, and the night becomes a blur. You wake up the next morning hungover as shit, groggily search for something resembling a breakfast food, and you consult with your bros about how wasted you got the night before and how hard you raged (Dom Mazzetti sums it up quite well:
    ). Totally awesome! Wash, rinse, and then repeat.

    Literally laughed out loud...has someone just been following me around this whole time and taking notes? haha

     
    Mar 31, 2017 - 2:20pm

    Working on the Weekend When No One Asks You to (Originally Posted: 09/08/2013)

    My friends say I'm sick, but I actually love it. I feel like I get to learn a lot without the pressure of having to do day-to-day tasks.

    Do you think it comes across as too try-hard?

     
    Mar 31, 2017 - 2:21pm

    I come home from work and read accounting material/build models to keep learning. If you're passionate about something and want to keep learning, who the hell cares. It's impossible to comprehend other people's passions. If you're going in to just say that you went it...then you really need to get a fkin life.

     
    Mar 31, 2017 - 2:23pm

    It's good to go in on Sunday regardless for a few hours as a first year/intern for a little facetime. Expense your lunch/dinner, check over work that you finished friday for monday, catch up on the WSJ whatever. Don't go in on Saturdays unless you have to or your group is that intense that you need to put in saturday facetime.

    I would avoid doing work ahead of time though. You don't want to do a ton of work on sunday for shit due wednesday just to come in on mon/tues and have the comp set or other assumptions change on you. Or they may say "Hey don't do these slides after all do these slides instead." Only get shit done early say for tuesday if you know for a fact you're going to be crushed with other stuff monday night.

     
    Mar 31, 2017 - 2:24pm
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