You guys trashed my profile but i got into Yale SOM

You guys trashed my profile when I posted it for a review here. I was an international Indian applicant with a 780 GMAT but 3.1/4.0 GPA in engineering from an IIT. You guys said I had nothing that made me "stand out."

Most of you told me to "aim lower" lol. I'm glad I didn't. I'm glad I went against your guyses advice, took it with a grain of salt, and proved you all wrong. My ambition, drive, and determination was not a bad thing. You guys aren't God or know everything about admissions.

I'm happy I ignored the haters, and proved you guys wrong by getting into Yale SOM. I'm especially excited because Yale SOM's prospects are excellent for the field I want to get into (product management for f500 tech).

 

First off, congratulations!

Keep in mind that applying to business schools can be a crapshoot, especially if it's something like HBS. With that in mind, regardless of what people told you regarding aiming lower, I think you should have applied to wherever you wanted to go. People just advised that you should expect lower and this is just from people's experiences. Honestly, given that it can be a crapshoot, you should have applied to HBS. Maybe you would have been that one person they needed to make the class more diverse.

 

First of all, I don't see where the thread where we shat on you was. But personally for me, if you had asked me "Can I get into HBS?" I'd have said "Probs not" but if you said "Can I get into Yale?" I would have said "You'll get in just for the average GMAT boost".

Basically what I'm trying to say is, it's a great school, but Yale!=H/S/W in terms of reputation or competitiveness.

 

I think B-school admissions is a joke compared top college admissions. Even MBA business schools">M7 schools (CBS, Booth, Kellogg, etc) have admit rate hovering around 20%. I know plenty of idiots that worked in sales at my company that managed to get into top 10 MBA schools, with decent GMAT and their 5years of 'competitive work experience'. (Really? calling people all day to sell funds is a good work experience?)

Try applying to top colleges and see how you do man.. As an White Male, almost impossible nowadays to get into a top college like Harvard or Stanford. Admit rate there is like 3-4%.

 

MBA admission rates are higher than undergrad admissions rates because barriers to entry are higher for MBA admissions. On average, each MBA application requires much more work than a college application--and this is largely due to the common app, which makes it easier for college applicants to apply to a wide range of schools (in other words, marginal cost is much lower). I know that in undergrad, I applied to Harvard and Yale because it was super easy to and didn't require much additional effort, despite me not being a very competitive applicant. On the flip side, MBA applications have to be filled out separately, recommendations have to be filled out separately, schools have very different essays, etc. This generally forces applicants to be more selective with the schools they apply to as they can't just apply to a wide range like they did with college, especially since most applicants work full-time jobs.

That, however, doesn't mean MBA admissions is a joke. In fact, it means the overall quality of the applicant pool at top business schools may be higher because the pool is self-selecting--in general, only people who think they are competitive applicants to a particular school will apply. So, yes, while MBA admissions rates are higher than their undergrad counterparts, that does not mean it's "easier" because that fails to take into account the quality of the applicant pools. Moreover, you conflate selectivity with quality of admitted students. Beyond a certain point, there is diminishing returns to lower acceptance rates. Do you really think there would be a difference in quality of students between a school with a 3% acceptance rate (say, Stanford undergrad) vs. a school with an 6% acceptance rate (say, Stanford GSB)? As schools themselves admit, there are many more super qualified applicants than spots at the top schools, so ultimately it comes down to crafting a diverse class, and many top applicants will inevitably get the short end of the stick. So, my point being, lower acceptance rate doesn't necessarily mean that a school is "harder" to get into, and it also doesn't necessarily mean that students at a school with a lower acceptance rate are "better" than those at a school with a higher acceptance rate. To continue with my Stanford example, I don't think anyone in their right mind would say "Stanford GSB is twice as easy to get into than Stanford undergrad" nor would they say "Stanford undegrad students are twice as good as Stanford GSB students."

 

I don't think I'd agree with your view. I attended a target undergrad, and the guys that landed top jobs out of college that are doing quite well aren't even thinking of doing MBA at all. Only exception to that are the kids that landed MBB consulting, that are doing MBA just because their employers are footing the bill for their schooling with an offer at graduation. (sponsorship) For these guys, B-school is more or less a nice 2 year vacation to relax and meet interesting people / make new friends, for free.

Getting into a top college requires more than just high test scores and grades. Top colleges pretty much require successful applicants to stand out in a meaningful way. Varsity sports team captain, debate team champion, or some other unique extra curricular where you stand out. Combine that with a high SAT and GPA, and even then it's a crap shoot to get into a top college. Here's the deal: for top colleges, you are competing against applicants that are academically good, across the country, in your age group. For MBA - you are only competing against guys that are choosing to apply for the MBA. Mind you, lots of guys that are smart and accomplished, don't even bother with an MBA. Actually, the smartest guys from my college are not working in traditional business jobs / industries - many went onto get PhD's in math / Computer science, some guys became quant traders at top prop shops, some guys became software engineers at FB / Google, etc. These guys would be bored out of their minds, taking classes at an MBA program in corporate finance, and to end up at banking / consulting. High IQ people don't tend to do well in traditional business jobs. They get bored easily.

 

The broader point not withstanding, you're making a rookie mistake if you compare b-school acceptance rates to college acceptance rates.  High school graduates vs employed college grads.  Common app vs personalized apps.  A conscious decision vs society expects it of you.  Etc etc.  Not apples to apples. 

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Bro what is your story? I'm really confused why you won't link the original post. Yale SOM is good but not a top school, congrats on getting in, but I'm not sure why you won't let us get the benefit of the doubt of looking back on our advice. The fact that you went anonymous to post an 'in-your-face' but won't provide context is a little telling.

I'm not slamming your accomplishment, but we're also here to learn how to be better in our guidance and advice. Why so secretive?

 

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