I know frat life is/was a big part of the college experience for a lot of WSO monkeys, so I got over my hesitation to post the following video. This video is deeply disturbing and definitely NSFW, so you've been warned. It was supposedly made for HBO in the late 90's, but then HBO decided not to run it. Some even say it was banned. I've been thinking about this stuff ever since that Dartmouth story in Bonus Bananas a couple weeks ago, and I was hoping you guys could tell me whether or not this stuff still goes on.
I think the thing that bothers me the most is how desperate kids are to fit in and "belong" to something. Admittedly, I was always more of a loner and I've never been a big "group" guy, but I swear to God I would've taken a bat to some of these assholes if they came at me like they did the kids in the video.
I'm also laughing my ass off at the thought of what happens to these BSD frat guys when they hit the real world and they don't amount to shit. After being Big Man on Campus since Junior High, the working world has to be a rude awakening for these guys. What do you mean I'm nobody special???
Frat guys: what possible purpose does this hazing stuff serve? I'm genuinely curious.
Re: video - typical disgusting humans.
nothing beats the nude parties at yale.
In a fraternity - yes, hazing still does occur (although, to be honest - it is very often self imposed in the form of drinking a lot..) Additional disclosure: I was NOT hazed - although I know individuals who have been (again, in the form of drinking alcohol.) You see that people die every few years from the amount they choose / are forced to drink in a fraternity. Unfortunately, this basically mirrors the entirety of the white college population. Honestly, most fraternities can be likened to the supper clubs present in the ivies, to be honest. They're essentially just another club to join, anymore.
Fraternities do not resemble what this video presents.
I can only speak for a fraternity in the north, from what I understand the southern fraternities are still fairly "dogmatic" and crazy. Again, I feel as if this is a reflection of the general white populace at large - not necessarily just the people who choose to be in fraternities.
That being said, I take offense to what you said that we don't amount to anything - there is something to be said for the network that a fraternity offers. I am going to work IBD at a top MM next year, but in addition, the CFO of a fairy successful (you would have heard of it) was a brother in my chapter at my college and upon randomly meeting him and talking about different things in life and my pursuits - he has assured me that I can get an interview. I don't take things for granted - but it is nice to know the connections I will be presented with for a couple hundred bucks over the course of 4 years.
Hmm... so that must be worthwhile. If I don't die from being forced to drink myself to death I'll make a few friends. You're an idiot. You get all defensive and say that the stereotype we are thinking of is in fact not fraternities but just white people in general. WOW.
Are you being honest with us? Honestly, to be honest, I don't think you are. ....anymore? Is there something you're going to add to that sentence? So offensive.
The majority of you don't and that is the honest truth. And those of you that do go on to be a success NEVER attribute it back to the fact you joined Sigma Nu or w/e, because you would have been a success without it too. Furthermore, I have little sympathy for you when you say the entire white population goes around drinking themselves stupid and hazing each other. Should we make sure your feelings weren't hurt? Congrats on the job. However I am unsure of what company this CFO works for? "the CFO of a FAIRY successful was a brother in my chapter"?! Does he work at Walt Disney with fairies? I think you were so excited to say that he was a brother in your chapter that you forget the continuity of your sentence and forgot to mention if he works at a F500, i-bank, etc. Another sentence that makes absolutely no sense. Given this critique of your writing you may have a lot of work to do before you're able to actually add value to this "top MM" next year bro. Glad to see "nepotism" at its finest, I'm sure theres at least 1 person at your school that can put a coherent sentence together and if he can do that he is clearly more qualified for the job than you. But glad to know you got in based on your greek life connections, I'm sure that was the best decision criterion for the firm to hire new analysts on.
Definitely made mistakes in the write-up. I appreciate you pointing them out, though I don't think all the criticisms you leveled are fair. I didn't say I got the IB job through connections in greek life, that was straight networking - like everyone on this website does coming from a non-target. The successful brother works at a fairly* successful hedge fund.
Again, if you look at general college populations - and despite the generalizations, if you look at larger schools, people die of alcohol poisoning every year. The deaths from alcohol are a fact of life, it seems to be blown out of proportion, imo, when it happens in greek life.
You fratstars don't know shit about hazing. Period.
LOL. I often think about this. Our frat gave us machine guns.
Also Marine Reservist during all 4 years of college. I agree, pledge masters have nothing on the Third Hat during a quarter-deck.
college, military...not remotely analogous.
Stockholm syndrome & sadomasochism... Disturbing.
I'd never hire these losers or their kind... I'm considering making it an automatic rejection if someone indicates that they were part of a Frat on their CV, do you guys think I should give them a chance?
Does this happen at every American university?
I too have zero interest in hiring a bro. Automatic ding.
Oh no, they have to do sport and drink alcohol plus a bit of scaring? That seems so fucking hard lol.
Personally, I was never cool enough to join a frat. I'm not a joiner anyway, largely because I have a family and social situation already, and fell into several organizations early in life that other people don't have access to, so I guess everyone has their thing? So the whole thing seemed somewhat inorganic, alien, and contrived. Still, I do look with envy and fascination at the loyalty that military alums, frat brothers, and other such organization show towards each other: there's always a few morons that join and then don't contribute, but the networks are ineresting to observe and more powerful than people like to acknowledge. I've heard Ivy people, director level, tell me that the military alum network on Wall Street rivals their's in some ways. It makes me want to join some type of brand name network, like the Knights or Masons or something.
As for some of the hazing, from my perspective it just looks boring, stupid, of flat out gay (not that there's anything wrong with that) and it just didn't interest me. I'll meet people on my own, whever I go, and I don't want some damn organization telling me the terms of how everything is going to be.
By the way, if anybody argues that frats "will hook you up" when it comes time for recruiting, I'd have to say that there are no shortcuts in this case. I went to a definite target, and guys from the top fraternities on campus did not usually end up working in investment banking groups or hedge funds. My guess is that the guys who did, worked for it and deserved it anyway.
frats are for people who can't find their own ways to meet people..why should someone have to crawl through piss and vomit to become someone's friend
You're going on stereotypes, unfortunately, my friends.
Does it make you feel comfortable when people say everyone in IB is a cocaine snorting asshole? The media has portrayed it as such, by the logic of this thread, it must be accurate.
I didn't watch the video - at work. I'll be the first to come to the defense of the fraternity system. Other than the military - the fraternity scene is one of the last instituions unaffected by the PC movement and the pussification of America. There was a reason why organizations like the Freemasons existed in great numbers after World War II. It provided a place for like minded men to gather and share ideas in an environment without public judgement.
Many non-fraternity members assume that they know what it is like to be a fraternity man based on news accounts or documentaries or heresay. Like anything, fraternites vary greatly, in all aspects. They are made up of different people and different ideas. That's why you decide if a particular house is a good fit. No one forces you to pledge. That's your free choice. That is why I am surprised when non-fraternity men seem to be angered so much by things like hazing. If Greek life is/was not for you, fine. End of story. The guys of my fraternity have by and large been pretty successful and driven.
And for those of you with a hiring bias...I can tell you that my fraternity has put Senior MDs at both Bain Cap and BX. There will be no reverse bias from them though, because most fraternity men don't give a shit about whether you were Greek or not.
This is so ridiculous. I could see this being a parody, like Spinal Tap, that's how stupid this stuff is...
Any social fraternity that does not haze is not worth joining, end of story.
Assuming you're not just being glib, what purpose does the hazing serve?
I've always viewed it as a dichotomy, two sides to the process. One is a tearing down, and the other is a building up. You get a set of cocky sons-of-bitches who just stepped off the high school football field and feel like big men on campus, and probably rightfully so -- they were seniors and had the run of the land, the top of the totem pole. Pledging, and therefore by default hazing, is a cure for that. It is supposed to fix your pride, instill in you a sense of humility, prove to you that you need to prove yourself before enjoying any sort of long-term reward, and grow to be responsible and considerate of your closest peers. Those are principles which are incredibly helpful throughout life. Be humble, be hungry (prove yourself), and respect those around you (finishing first isn't always best if you sacrifice someone else to do it).
Hazing is supposed to be more of a mindfuck than anything. Screw with them, expose their fears if you have to, make them realize how small and miserable they are ... and then give them the confidence and skills to go be successful in any endeavor. Teach them how to be well-spoken, show them how to be well read and well dressed, show them how to interact properly in any setting (raging at the castle, a deb ball, a formal, a black-tie event, a political event, a fundraiser, an interview), show them the value of an education, and show them the power of maintaining relationships. After that, push them out the door to go try it out. If you did it right, it's a multiplication effect.
That was how I always looked at it and that was how I always tried to approach it as an elected leader. And frankly, I wouldn't have worded it as glibly, but the sentiment is the same. If you're in one of the bottom-tier chapters who signs up any kid who walks in without drooling all over his shirt, you're missing out on an incredible process. To this day, some of the people I'm closest with are the ones I went through the pledge process with. I have forged the strongest bonds in the world with those men, and I think there are countless others who would echo the same sentiment.
The same exact one that it serves in the military.
Barriers to entry???
I was being dead serious. I am a current college student, and typically there are two types of fraternities : ones anyone can get into for a party, and one's you must know a brother. The overwhelming majority of one's that are 'open' are not only bottom tier, but do not haze. If I am going to be someone's bitch for a semester, I at least need to get a return on my investment.
Hazing is not a necessary condition in a fraternity adopting a policy where only members can attend its parties.
In fact, by your own definition...a fraternity that adopts an anti-hazing policy, ceteris paribus, would yield a competitive advantage over other fraternities because the initial cost of investment is lower. (thus higher ROI)
Yawn. Stupid guidos acting like stupid guidos. Let's not extrapolate these morons over the entire fraternity system.
Joining a fraternity was one of the best decisions I made in my life. It introduced me to a great group of guys I never would have been exposed to who will now be my friends for life due to our experiences together. You also get a ton of exposure to other people in the Greek system, including hot sorority girls.
On hazing, I consider it a bonding ritual that helps you become more than just casual friends with the guys in your pledge class. It is very comparable to being an IB analyst. You have to lean on the other low-level members for support to get through the BS, and you realize you are paying your dues now to reach an outcome (exit opps/promotion vs full fraternity member). Now obviously common sense should prevail when it comes to hazing - if anyone is trying to tell you to do the elephant walk, tell them to f#ck off. But normal fraternities don't make you do gay sh#t like that.
I agree, most heinous over exaggeration of the fraternity system I've ever seen. In no way does this video actually reflect fraternities or what they do. Sure there are a few bad ones but you can pretty much say that about any social group, organization, or business. Plus no self respecting fraternity would let HBO come in and film them.
Say what you want about the fraternity system and hazing and all that bullshit, but one thing it does is give you opportunities to build your social skills like no other institution in the country as a young person. I have mediocre grades (
So this video is about a single chapter from the early 90s? Very representative of the entire greek system...Hazing still goes on, maybe just as much in some remote non-national chapters, but for the most part the hazing picture has dimmed down significantly from the 80s.
The military hazes its recruits and it's acceptable because everyone isn't made for combat and those individuals should be screened out. In the greek system, the rushing process doesn't do enough to entirely reveal someone's true self. It's like offering someone a job after a first round phone interview, but that's how the process works and luckily the fraternity has a couple of months to figure out whether or not a kid is worth his salt during pledging. In my fraternity we were hardly hazed at pledges. We did physical exercises, runs with the brothers, more pushups than I could count, etc... but I was probably in the best shape of my life at the end of it. Even though our pledgeship wasn't too heavy, we still had 3 or 4 guys quit. Fortunately, the process worked and these guys were weeded out early.
If you've gone through pledgeship you've probably heard the phrase "pledgeship is the most fun that you'll never want to do again".
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Fratting in the North and in the South is two completely different experiences. In the South, it is a way of life. There is Greek, and there is independent. Greeks invariably hold positions of power and influence at the municipal, county, state, and often Federal level. Lawyers, doctors, dentists, business owners ... it's about the letters and the grip, and Southern old money doesn't like sharing outside the legacy. They also hate Northern fraternities with a passion.
In the North, particularly among the Ivies, it's more of an intellectual elitism rather than a social caste system as it were. Regardless of which side of the Mason-Dixon line you're on, I will say this. It's one of the last bastions of brotherhood and manliness in the country. You'll find some incredibly closed-minded, xenophobic, not-so-subtly racist people in its ranks, but fraternity life is one of the few places left where young men can come together in so powerful an experience.
What this video depicts is a shithole. It's ECU, which is a trash school where trashy people go to spend their 4 years. Holding this video to be representative of the entire fraternity system is no more appropriate than thinking the conduct of one handful of Marines in Iraq who desecrate their enemies corpses is indicative of the sanity and professionalism of our entire Armed Forces.
A real fraternity produces gentlemen. Those were not gentlemen. Fraternities produce well-dressed, articulate young men who understand the value of connections, the power of networking, and the worth of a true 'work hard, play hard' mentality.
An incredible amount of fratstars (the entire Southern system) come from old money, have oil/real estate/natural gas fueling their trust fund, and won't ever know a harder day's work than playing 18 in 90 degree weather. For me, however, it was a conscious choice. I came from nothing, had the polar opposite in terms of my adolescent experience, and realized (after not rushing frosh year) that I wanted that experience while I could have it. Did it help me out in recruiting? No. Did I need it to? By no means. I didn't go in looking for that.
Was I hazed? Yes. Was I a strong enough person to firmly refuse to do anything degrading or morally compromising? Again, yes. And most people aren't like that at all; gullible, naive froshes have no idea of anything except pressure to fit in, which is how most of these atrocities continue unabated. I had far rougher experiences in childhood than anything they tried to do to me; honestly, the worst it got in my case was physical weariness or exhaustion.
Frankly, if someone on this forum is naive enough to say "I would never hire a bro" and dings someone for seeing three Greek letters on their resume, I wouldn't want to work there because the person is as shallow as they believe the Greek kid is.
In defense of the North there are several universities that treat their fraternity systems with the same respect as the the best Southern fraternity schools. Long-standing traditions, strong, wealthy, and successful alumni networks, and close brotherhood.
+1...SB for you
You mean like Stan Gable in Revenge of the Nerds?
Haven't watched the video as I'm at work, but criticizing frats is nothing new. Joining one can be fun, forces you to actually try new things and be social, and gives you a group of guys that share similar interests. I'm not the biggest fan of hazing, but thankfully the frat I joined was pretty good about keeping people safe, meaning lots of drinking for fun but no drinking-till-you-puke or swimming through pools of excrement, mostly because the brothers didn't want to deal with the BS of you getting hospitalized and them having responsibility.
It's the same with fraternities as it is with any large group of people - the majority of them are fairly harmless, but the extreme examples are the ones that make headlines and get people riled up. I didn't join my fraternity for "networking" opportunities or anything like that, but because I had been an athlete in high school and enjoyed being the camaraderie that came with hanging out with a "team" but wasn't good enough to play in college. So, joining a frat was the next best thing. Plus, it was a hell of a lot of fun.
I'm confused about this one - why would they be any less likely to amount to anything than the average student? It's not like joining a fraternity means you are drinking 24/7 for four years and don't plan to ever attend class or do well academically. Sure, there are groups like this, but again - generalizing. My frat in general did very well academically and got great jobs after school, but still went out a lot. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I didn't watch the video because I'm at work.
I am one of the older dudes on WSO but some of the best friends I've made in my entire life are my former fraternity brothers. Hazing has same effect as military and even shares similarities with my time at business school and during my Associate stint in IBD; these are all super intense experiences that allow you to forge deep, lasting relationships with people. Regardless of how stupid they are - the friendship is real and ultimately that's what you are joining a fraternity for.
The 'bro' aspect of frats is really silly, really stupid - and it's just so pitiful now I'm a bit older. I see fraternity letters on many resumes and my reaction is mixed. First, I think maybe this person would be really social and a good guy to work with. But I always check the GPA to see if they spent too much time partying.
In my current life I'm basically a total loner working 100 hour weeks and seeing my wife on (some) weekends. Miss the old days. Used to party til 4am 6 nights a week. Now I just run spreadsheets until that time.
Let me clarify something guys. When I said, "I'm also laughing my ass off at the thought of what happens to these BSD frat guys when they hit the real world and they don't amount to shit.", I didn't mean that frat guys never amount to anything. What I was talking about was the shift from being King Shit in college to being a fucking nobody in the working world the day after graduation.
Appreciate the distinction, but isn't that a general acknowledgement of anyone making that transition? Seniors in HS to college freshman, college seniors to new yuppies?
I guess the transition might be more distinct for some people in fraternities who have had the silver spoon, and I agree with that, but it has more to do with money than with any fraternity affiliation.
Agree with this point. It's probably a shock for anyone who was BMOC (athlete, student body president, fraternity member, whatever). Douchebags are douchebags regardless of their fraternity affiliation. Being in a fraternity does foster a bit of a chauvinistic culture around it, there's no denying that, but all in all it's just an excuse to hang out, make great friends, and have some fun.
The point of a frat is to address this, they tear you down so that you learn what it is like to be the shit of the world.
Frat life extends well beyond college dude - kids today are still living this lifestyle well into their 30s. These guys graduate, move to the city and live in dumpy rentals where college rules still apply. They are still kings of their stupid small world as they move to places like the East Village, Williamsburg, Boston's South End or SF's Mission district - surrounded by dozens of former friends.
Most will get decent jobs at least in-line with other graduates from their respective universities. And their 'going out' scene will involve house-parties at friends' apartments, chugging kegs until 5am. No change from university. The awakening won't come for years and years after graduation, when they realize they have wasted their 20s and have accomplished nothing.
But as others have said it is hard to lump all these guys into one bucket. Wall Street guys also live like this although in NYC you're going out more vs. house parties.
yea this shit still happens.
Stopped watching the video 2-3 minutes in after in became apparent to me that it focused on a single chapter.
I was an athlete in college and was asked to join a fraternity at the start of my Junior year by one of my better friends. He was a really big guy, played lots of video games, etc. but he also had an even bigger heart and I liked that this particular chapter wasn't elitist and accepted people based on factors other than how many chicks one can "slay". I'm sure every frat is different and his chapter was especially great in that they focused on community service, fundraising for great causes and reversing the usual stigma attached to fraternities. At the same time though, they partied, got laid and had lots of fun. I would have joined, and probably should have, but ultimately decided against it as I couldn't convince myself that this was something I needed.
To me, I just couldn't justify spending money to have additional friends, further involve myself within the school community and to gain access to other ways of having fun. All this can be easily achieved without spending hundreds of dollars (not just membership fees). Most of the people I associated myself with in college are people I'll be friends with for life and I didn't have to be locked up in a basement for 24 hours, dipped in a tub full of vomit and blindfolded. Seems like people use the whole "camraderie for life" arguement to justify joining or when defending the frat life.
Best part is, I'm still friends with that guy and his "brothers"" and we regularly talk and hang out. Didn't have pay for any of it, go through hazing,etc. I do regret not joining though, but only for the benefit of missing out on holding a leadership position within this particular chapter. All the other ones on my campus were full of morons, disease-ridden Jersey Shore wannabes or people desperately trying to fit in. Not exactly the most stimulating enviroment, but there are great chapters out there for sure.
Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
I saw boobies.
Fraternity hazing is nothing compared to what goes on at some of the historically all black colleges:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-05-16-band-hazing_N.htm
I wonder what Blossom is doing these days.
HAHAHA! That's exactly what I was thinking when I watched this.
My money's on car wash employee.
This is what fraternities are about:
Hazing is a way to ensure the long term survival of the organization. Most people who undergo something arduous, like hazing, to join a group will have a vested interest in the success and survival of that group. No one wants to think that they were miserable and tortured for nothing, or to join some 2nd rate club they could care less about. Therefore, hazing exists as a way to ensure committment to the frat and help position it so it doesn't shrink away to nothing.
Robert Cialdini has written about this specific topic, and why hazing has endured all sorts of sanctions and students risk explusions to haze their frat brothers/pledges
Haivng went to UT, I would never in my life ever consider joining a frat. They were laregly for one type of person: A very well-off, WASP, boat shoe wearing, short short showing, combover using, DB. It was sad how easy it was to spot a frat kid...no style, unoriginal, and worst of all arrogant. Rubber bands attached to your sunglasses...really? Are the winds of Austin going to knock your poor Oakley's onto the floor? But, ladies and gents, the worst part- the girls! From saying "like" every other word to complaining about having to fly to Israel with their family (true story)...sickening.
That was my southern frat experience, having had 50% of every class filled with Greek members. Never again. I hope the north is better in that regard.
you mean croakies? They're not rubber bands dude. They're pretty convenient too. Its nice being able to just wear your sunglasses around your neck when you go inside instead of putting them on your head or attaching them to your shirt or something.
Israel? WASP?
what are we talking about here again?
This is incredible. The amount of people that are anti frat is unbelievable. I know this is a generalization, but does it have anything to do with jealousy out of not being able to join a fraternity? I know this is a message board on the internet, so odds are high that not everyone here is a social superstar. Fraternities are places that breed social ability. The ability to hold a conversation and create lasting friendships through common experiences. Ya hazing is involved and there are a few good posts as to the benefit. As a recent graduate, there was really no downside to my experience in a fraternity. Some people have commented on the social arrogance of fraternities, and that is usually an effect of being part of one of the most social groups on campus (greek system). and anyone complaining about the ability to have parties every week with the hottest girls on campus is mindblowingly stupid.
Look at the list of successful people who have been in fraternities and I'm willing to bet it would be more impressive than the list of people who haven't. All but 3 presidents since 1825 have been in fraternities.
The fact that people would auto-ding anyone with greek letters is laughable. You are making a judgement based on your own closed minded opinion because you think of a fraternity member comes only in one mold. I'm sorry, how is that any better than your proposed view of a frat bro?
It's laughable, is it? I'll tell you what's laughable, brah- the job market you're graduating into.
I suppose the ding all depends on how many lines on your CV you dedicate to your frat experience. One line at MOST. Any more than that is fluff because theres nothig else interesting about you. So you paid up and pledged to buy yourself a bunch of friends- doesnt matter! You goddamn kids don't get that fact that nobody gives a crap about your frat experience- we don't give a shit if you were some joke of a "treasurer" for your frat. Frat involvement has NO bearing on how good of a banker you'll be. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
In honesty, part of me revels in seeing these bro's enter the workforce (aka the real world) as little worms. Will I throw your resume out if your Greek involvement takes up as much space as, say, your excel skills? No. Any more than that speaks volumes about what college actually meant to you. Go find another bro to hire you, because I can't respect people who use 5/6 bullet points of their resume to essentially describe what an awesome partier they were.
Am I generalizing? Sure. Do I care? Nope. You all knew what frats were about when you pledged, so don't get all pussymouthed when you find employers thinking the same thing.
Those film makers were so ahead of their time. Its Jersey Shore a la 1992.
No two greek systems are alike from school to school - no two chapters at a school can be generalized either. I can completely understand why people who were not a part of the greek system would look down upon it, but for some of us who took part it was an instrumental factor in our college experience. Personally, my fraternity connections have had a decided impact on my career in investment banking, just as an athlete or any other organization may have had an impact on theirs.
Best Quote of the movie - so amazing.
Blossom: "and the main thing...this is the one I like the best...uh...you have to take a rat...you have to put it in your hands and as its squirming around in your hands you just...bite the head off and pull it off and all the blood squirts out...uh thats a pretty traditional thing and you gotta do that in order to pledge our fraternity and that's the way pledging goes and if you don't do that YOURE A FUCKING PUSSY!"
Pretty much sums up my experience at boot camp sans the dog cage
Ughhhh. I have no doubt that this kind of shit is still prevalent at some schools. I went to a small Northern public school with a fairly dominant Greek system where roughly 25%-30% of the people on campus were in a fraternity or a sorority. I won't lie, there are a couple fraternities who make binge drinking and poon slaying their main priorities and they are two of the biggest houses on the entire campus. This whole obsession of being "bro" and a "fratstar" has permeated the culture somewhat, and at times has resulted in the level of douchebaggery seen in the video above.
It shouldn't paint a bad picture on the Greek system as a whole though. There are plenty of great fraternities that don't require that you devolve into a neanderthal on the weekends. I ended up joining a fraternity after initially being against it and I think that it was one of the better decisions that I've made in life. The dues I paid were well worth the benefits reaped. I didn't feel that my own self worth was derived from the groups perception or inclusion of me when I joined and that didn't change when I graduated. Unfortunately, I won't deny that a good majority of people probably do join because they derive self-importance by adhering to others standards.
I don't know how any serious fraternity can haze its members. How any organization can claim that they have values yet still engage in the belittlement and dehumanization of their pledges is beyond me. If being hazed is a prerequisite for initiation into a group....then that says a lot about the group in itself.
I found Blossom - crazy to think that this guy is a special education teacher.
https://www.facebook.com/JosephLaudadio
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qjig9/frat_house_infamous_unair…
[quote=ke18sb]I found Blossom - crazy to think that this guy is a special education teacher.
https://www.facebook.com/JosephLaudadio
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qjig9/frat_house_infamous_unair…]
Well isn't this some shit
[quote=ke18sb]I found Blossom - crazy to think that this guy is a special education teacher.
https://www.facebook.com/JosephLaudadio
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qjig9/frat_house_infamous_unair…]
Holy shit! That fucking guy works with SPEDs???
Just imagine how he hazes those poor dumb autistic bastards...
You.
+1
I figured all the douche baggery stemmed from these guys having North East accents. Turns out the second half of the video proved me wrong.
Why do the kids in the second video look half as old as the ones in the first? Do guidos hit puberty in the womb or is obamacare slowing adolescent development?
Looks like Blossom is off the steroids.
LOL at the people who wouldn't hire a fraternity member. Awesome generalization.
Of the many thousands of fraternity chapters in this country, there are invariably some pretty fantastic ones and some pretty terrible ones.
There are frats that produce Rhodes Scholars and frats that produce convicted criminals, and everywhere in between. Even the people in each chapter differ quite substantially.
But yeah, this does happen at some of the "bad" frats.
These posts are way too long, tits or GTFO
what is the opinion on business/academic frats?? I realize a much difference social experience but is the network similar??
I would have cut Blossom if he tried to bitch slap me like that. Although he did give that wooden crate thingy a good beating, despite its top notch defensive dodges.
Anyway, I'm sure he's under the impression that he's a teacher at that special school, when in reality he's one of those poor autistic bastards. I don't know anything about fraternities so I won't comment, but I believe we can all agree that the severity of the retardation we witness in this video is astounding. And isn't blossom a bit of a girly name for this "tough guy"? I'll call him Flower.
I hate frats too. We should hang out sometime. Check out my picture.
I was part of a local fraternity in my previous school before transferring to my-semi target. At this point I just wanted to keep my shit together and maintain a 3.7+ and not care about socializing as much.
We definitely got hazed pretty hard in my fraternity but overall I think it was a pretty unique experience. I don't uphold the argument that you are paying for friends or any of that nonsense. As for the hazing it basically serves as a rite-of-passage thing. People all the way back in the day got the shit hazed out of them so made everyone else go through it. No one wants to just let someone in when they all had to submissive bitches for a semester in order to get in. Once you are past that I think there are some great opportunities for be involved in university life, leadership positions, and getting to know a diverse group of people. I would recommend this experience for anyone who knows how to balance themselves and not forget about schools/academics.
I think business/academic frats are a joke btw. If you are in an undergraduate business school you definitely don't need that shit, any reputable program will have classes about networking, business communication, etc. My good friend at NYU was in a business frat and they basically seemed like a bunch of nerds trying to pre-tend to be a social frat. I would much rather get some leadership experience in organizations - investment fund, consulting club, etc.
business frats are not a joke if you join the right one.
Business frat is another notch on your belt. You can do just fine without being in one. Sure they have alumni and bring in some speakers. However, the alumni of your school are just as likely to help. Its basically another networking opportunity. For schools that don't have an undergraduate business program, then a business frat can be helpful with bridging that gap. Can being in a business frat hurt? No. However, some just chose not to invest that time and end up just fine. My school has AKPSI, when I just transferred I checked it out and realized they wouldn't be giving me anything I can't get from my UG business school and other leadership activities.
akpsi is a piece of shit and a waste of time anywhere you go.
at the wrong school, it is a waste of time. at the right school and with the right business frat, it will bring FT BB offers and beyond.
A person with a shitty gpa from a business frat isn't going to get a FT over a more qualified candidate with a better GPA/relevant experience just because he was part of a business frat. All else equal a business frat can give a candidate an edge over a student with very similar credentials by providing opportunities for networking or alumni of frat pulling his resume for 1st round interview. Once you are past resume drop it all depends on how good you are-the business frat won't help you there. I don't disagree it can help you land the 1st round interview but once you are past that you are on your own. Not to mention plenty of people land BB IBD without being in a business frat. Please show some numbers that indicate BB IBD is dominated by business frat alumni. Obviously connections can help but those are not exclusive to business frats..
the right business frat will get you in by having 3+ guys in the analyst/associate class ahead of you bring you in and prep you on all the questions, year in and year out. and this is not even to mention the VPs and MDs and mid to senior guys at major buyside shops for after you're done. did i mention all the hard hitters at MBBs, top 5 law schools and successful entrepreneurs? we don't have a lot of low GPAs in our organization because we don't accept lazy retards.
you obviously have no clue what school/what business frat i am talking about. it's ok, we like it that way.
Phi Beta Kappa?
melvvar i obviously dont give a rat's ass. if i end up doing banking its going to be in Atlanta or and only for a couple of years after which I'll get to work in corp dev for one of the F500 headquartered in this city..and that's only if I cant break in out of undergrad through FDLP.. I don't need your business frat for that. Thank's though.
Where did you go to school again?
a lot of our guys are in the greek system as well. it's not an either/or. i am sure in your locale the business frats are worthless, as they are in 99% of the cases. what i reject is your blanket statement about them in general because the 1% is so far superior in terms of opportunities that it is ridiculous. it on par with the best connections at porcellian or ivy in terms of you getting you locked in for FT BB IBD jobs. and sure dude, given the kinds of jobs you are looking for, you are correct, you certainly don't need us. so we will keep our annual pipeline of NYC slots and you can keep your rat's ass. good luck to you in your career, we are operating in separate worlds.
i transferred to a target to another target so these were connections made as a sophomore.
I finally watched the video, and yes that stuff most definitely happens.
Also, since when can you show full on nudity on YouTube? I was not expecting that part...
"Yeah, uh, I'm here for the gangbang."
Stern is shit. They are a target for IB because of their location. The actual education/BBA program is shit.
I watched the video in entirety. Pretty entertaining. I wish it wasn't in the 1980's though haha.
The excessive drinking shit is something I don't support since it can kill someone, but most of the shit they did was just gross/nasty/mind fuck. You cannot have a good frat without some level of hazing. Just like the best units in the military have high standards to get in, you cannot slay tang and party like gods by just showing up and saying you are interested.
I always loved frats, but never got into that whole group thing. Would rather be alone.
That video was shit. Sub in the cast of Jersey Shore and nothing changes.
Here's what the real frat life is all about:
[quote=kingtut]That video was shit. Sub in the cast of Jersey Shore and nothing changes.
Here's what the real frat life is all about:
yes!
A bunch of my NOLA bros are former TKEs from Southeastern Louisiana University. They would argue that they partied harder than that LSU crew.
Being from Louisiana, when you weren't afraid to party with the TKEs (LA Tech, LSU, Southeastern) for various reasons, you really wanted to party with those crazy motherfuckers.
A bunch of my old bros back there were Southeastern TKEs. Pretty rowdy crowd back in the day, but they're all old and fat and pathetic (like me) now.
"If you can't go Greek, go TKE."
their pledge attire consists of a do-rag and chain and their pledgemaster wears cargos and a tie-dye while they're in a lineup...
What do you rate that stripper on a 1-10 scale?
melvvar if you are talking about DSP at NYU then I am seriously going to laugh really hard. And its obviously not a "secret" as your business frat is open to the school. Just comes down to whether Ricky Tan and the wannabe social-frat asians at NYU think you are cool enough.
The fact that you guys need so much hand holding and help from insiders is pretty funny. Says a lot about the quality of the candidates. There are prospective monkeys breaking in from non-targets by hauling ass without any help from "prestigious" b-frats such as yours.
Highly doubt top-students would start transferring to your school left and right just to join your business frat. Wake up man.
In a frat that hazed and have two things to say about that video
That was most likely filmed (the second half) at Penn State, I have a few friends there and their pledging stories sound very similar.
Hazing like that in the video is VERY MUCH similar to how it is today. Notice in that video that there was NO gay stuff and NO harmful physical harm. No one was beat up, no one was forced to strip naked and touch each other.
GDIs keep hating
FYI, Blossom's fraternity was SUNY Oneonta, which explains the huge volume of guidos, and the Dragon's fraternity (the last one) was Alpha Tau Omega at Muhlenberg. Both have since been kicked off, although supposedly Beta Chi at SUNY Oneonta "continues to operate as a rogue, unrecognized chapter in the town to this day."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frat_House
nick, i am done debating you. the answer to your first question is no. second, the secret is not its existence but its reach. you could never appreciate that until you were inside. third, 10 years in, guys who have merely done their MBAs at H/S/W and are VPs at megafunds are squarely middle of the pack. the guys who have really made it are already cashed out hard at companies they founded or killing it on trading floors.
as for our citigroup charity case, he seemed promising when he pledged but he went greek and got his priorities confused. he was gunning for MS but we couldn't help him that much. he is the exception though, and back then, citi was considered a safety option. at least we got him that. if that's not the power of networking, i don't know what is.
we don't care about prestige. there is no such thing as a "prestigious" b-frat. that's a concept only relevant to the greek system or eating clubs or whatever. the only measure of a b-frat is its ability to get you jobs and get you serious career connections after you've started. on that account, there are business frats that are very useful. keep telling yourself how "useless" b-frats are if it makes you feel better about your life choices. it tells me how little you know about hiring in the industry if you can make such uninformed blanket statements, and how much of a failure you are going to be if you react to people correcting your ignorance in such a vindicative and childish manner.
Back then? Back then???
lol come on dude many of these young guys would kill for any FO IBD slot now.
I already told you b-frats are another networking opportunity where you can make some connections which can help you get a first round. I don't need to rationalize my life's choices with you. Even if you can give me concrete proof that your b-frat has 100% placement into NYC IB I still would not transfer to your school or wish I had gone there in the first place.
Just because you want to do banking in NYC doesn't mean that everyone wants the same thing. Not to mention people who do not desire the same thing are not any worse than you are. Only people you can really make fun of are the ones who were gunning for the same thing you were but failed to make it but then that would be really immature and petty. Your "separate worlds" comment is retarded. Some how the fact that you are interested in being an excel-monkey in NYC makes you a better person somehow, this is quite funny. Go read some psychology, you will find that people are interested in challenging and meaningful work and money comes secondary after a middle-class lifestyle is achieved. What is meaningful/interesting varies from person to person. So if in your opinion everyone who isn't on track for NYC BB is worthless then you will have a lot of problems later on in life. Fact of the matter is I am not even interested in living/working in NYC as I have lived there for the majority of my life so thanks but no thanks. Networking and connections are great. However, whats more important is what you can achieve on your own without help. Your b-frat connections aren't going to do your work for you and they aren't going to help you get promoted over more qualified peers. The pothead with the 2.8 gpa is on his own. Yes he will have developed a network that can help him get interviews if he maintains those connections but at the end its going to come down to him to prove himself and do the work.
When you are good, you are good regardless of whether you are in a b-frat or not. You will be smart enough to make the connections that will help you succeed.
As for the trolling I assumed that you were from Stern and the kids there really need to keep their egos in check as they are a bunch of Columbia rejects.
Can you dig it?
I don't know if you realize this melv but mcgee is making fun of you...
don't you have a problem set you need to finish?
Guys, he's called Blossom...the end.
First thing that came to mind:
Blossom, commander and the leader Bubbles, she is the joy and the laughter Buttercup, she's the toughest fighter Powerpuffs save the day... Fighting crime, trying to save the world Here they come just in time, the Powerpuff Girls Fighting crime, trying to save the world Here they come just in time, the Powerpuff Girls Powerpuff!
Is the narrator the Johnson and Johnson kid? the one who made the video about the rich kids?
So no thoughts on the stripper?
Wow, I used to think frats were for douche bags... and now I KNOW they are.
Stripper had a nice vagine in the dark, on outdated camera equipment.
On the subject of genitalia, did everyone notice the frat guy whipping it out to have a quick wank in front of his buddies? Brothers in Palms, Hand of Brothers...etc...
That video was hilariously awesome...parts of it definitely played like a Spinal Tap for frat bros. Blossom had some classic roid rages including pummeling the wooden crate into submission. Beta fucking Chi!
On the subject of hiring fraternity people I am in the camp of people who does discriminate against frat guys in terms of hiring junior people. It has nothing to do with being closed-minded its just that I spend too muich time myself drinking and chasing around women when I hire somebody I want them to be nerds who are 100% focused on doing the work...I want tape on the glasses. If I was in sales it may be different but I dont really need a 22 year old with "social skills".
Well here's an interesting little tidbit:
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http://www.facebook.com/JosephLaudadio
[quote=Kenny Powers]Well here's an interesting little tidbit on Blossom post graduation:
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http://www.facebook.com/JosephLaudadio[/quote]
[quote=Kenny Powers]Well here's an interesting little tidbit:
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http://www.facebook.com/JosephLaudadio[/quote]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101050/
Yep and this too:
https://twitter.com/#!/joelaudadio/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwi…
Our house in college had better parties than the frats, and you didn't have to do an elephant walk to get in...
Were you on a sports team or something? Or just a bunch of friends?
TL;DR (or watch the vid)
Just adding my perspective here. I was an active fraternity member for all four years of my undergrad experience, I was also in ROTC for those four years. I made very close friends who were Cadets, Brothers, and some were both like me. What this tells me is that I'm either a really easy going guy or fraternities can create the same kinds of bonds that teamwork in the military does. I am going with the latter.
Was my pledging difficult at times? Yes. I was actually proud of how hard our fraternity was to join compared to the others on campus.
Is it weird that this video actually makes me want to join a frat? Ha.... not for people like blossom (I only watched the last half of this video). I mean, everything but the "boiling" water deal seems fine by me, not like you're going to get hurt significantly (in what I saw).
Welcome to Cornell - http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/smithers/docs/hazed_and_confused.pdf
ok... i was one of the early guys on this thread that said i would view putting your frat on a CV as a negative... having read the various comments since then I have to say that i still agree with that assessment. I'm undecided on whether or not it would be an "auto-ding".
I don't have anything against frat guys. what you do in your private life and your values are your business. But considering the comments in this thread, putting your frat on your resume is like signalling "i like to party" or "I'm a member of xyz cult" under the interests section. As someone responsible for interviewing why & how would you expect me to see that as positive?!
I'm genuinely puzzled by this.
I never thought I would join a frat myself. Until I did.
My thoughts on hazing - Looking back now that I have matured, I feel hazing does have its merits. It can be used as a tool to "weed out" less committed pledges, forge bonds through shared hardship, instill values (if you want something, you fucking earn it). My pledgeship was exceptionally demanding...and I loved every minute of it. I am messed up like that, and it helped that my fraternity was the type that was worth it. If a pledge loses sight of the end goal of pledging (joining a brotherhood for life), then that particular fraternity did not do an effective job of communicating exactly why the pledges were required to endure hazing in the first place. The theme of "brotherhood" should be drilled into the pledge's head until the words are literally seared into the back of their skulls. Otherwise, its all for naught, and the new members haze the new pledges without emphasizing the brotherhood...then the culture of the fraternity fails. This is when most real frats die. Still puzzling? I dont blame you. You need to go through the process in order to fully understand it. When done right, it will rewire your brain.
My thoughts on Frats and socializing - outside of joining a legit brotherhood, the additional value-add of frats is that it will put you in a lot of social situations. As a greek member, you will have a lot more social interactions and experience (especially with women) by graduation than your typical GDI. This is valuable. Feel free to disagree. Also, the grads from my college who were greek, male and female, had a tendency to be happier after graduation and would generally end up in more interesting (not necessarily higher paying) careers. That's just through my observations, so yours may differ. Also, frat members tend to be involved it other organizations as well, often holding leadership postions in other college clubs. Again, this was my observation.
My thoughts on that video - that thing was made quite a while ago. The culture of the typical college aged male has changed a lot since then. Guys are smarter and would not go through the same bullshit unless they do see at as worth the trouble. Does hazing still go down at my old house? Fuck yes, and I will make sure of it. But again, there is a reason for it, and its not put young men through a bullshit experience because its fun for the bros.
My thoughts on putting your Frat on your resume - avoid if you know it wont help you for certain careers, like IB. There are still judgemental GDIs out there (I am talking to you, Mr bondarb-McShithead and Mr Relinquis-homoface). When I see Sigma-whatever-whatever on a resume from a guy who just graduated, I usually ask about there experiences and then judge them from there. I never see it as a negative (unless the kid really is a d-bag), but its positive if the guy can talk at length about leadership and social involvement.
To the guys who prefer to judge people - frats generally represent a cross-section of their respective student bodies (at least that's how it was at my college). So there are frat guys with 3.5+ GPAs in engineering, just like how there are GDIs with 3.5+ GPAs in engineering. You would be so off-base thinking that greek-affiliated students are any less motivated then their non-affiliated counterparts.
One last thing - that Blossom fuck...for fuck's sake... that fucking guy. He would not last 2 minutes in my house with that attitude. We would haze him until he got his shit together (yes, even bros get hazed for poor character or general ass-hattery). But he did grow up (eventually) and he posted an apology. I think that says something about his maturity level at his age, not many people would go through that effort. And he works with disabled kids, good for him. Before you go off judging, think about what you were like at his age when that doc was filmed. Were you so polite and clean in your 20s that you now have earned the right to judge others (I am talking to you, Mr Edmundo-McJudgemental-old-guy)? Doubt it. I dont judge people for being GDI, dont judge me for being in a frat.
So, to answer your question, Mr. Relinquis, why and how do I expect you to see my fraternity involvement as a positive - I dont. You'll never understand unless you were in a legit fraternity yourself. All I expect is that you do not judge me until you get to know me.
haha...McShithead? dude I dont disagree with anything you said. I agree that fraternities may help kids develop socially and that could be valuable to them. If you read my post, I said that I dont want to hire kids with super developed social skills...I want hungry kids who only care about doing the work, not well-adjusted frat guys who have other things going on. This is life or death every day and I find that young kids who are too socially successful just dont get it....I am sure there are many exceptions but this is the trend I have seen. In hiring people I really dont care about experiences that are valuable to the student I am looking for indications that this kid will be valuable to ME.
/thread.
If you are saying you would auto ding a kid because he has a frat on his resume then you were never in a fraternity and never cared to give people in them a chance.
Someone didn't get a bid.
On a more serious note, fraternities serve a great purpose. As other posters have mentioned, it allows you to develop a set of social skills that are going to allow you to move up the ranks in IB. You're never going to get hired just because you are in a fraternity (you actually have to be smart and have the skill set), however the ability to communicate and shoot-the-shit with other members of your team and clients is going to pay dividends. When you break it down, this is still a people-person business. This is why you see stuff like the "yellow-ceiling" in finance; you have to be a likable and fun guy in order for people to want to work with you and eventually promote you.
Every male member of my SA class was in a fraternity - and they were all (for the most part) very smart and genuine people. Like someone else said, it's a "work hard - play hard" culture in both finance and in fraternities. The people on the outside looking in honestly can't accurately depict what it is like to be in a fraternity and understand the values and skills that are garnered through the four (or more if you're taking a victory lap) years in such a setting.
I didn't watch the video but if it's from ECU in the 90's like someone else said, then I can only assume it is full of trashy kids that are not actually representative of what fraternity culture is like. The media and most non-fraternity gentlemen in society hold a negative view of fraternity culture because they did not have the privilege of living and understanding it. They are jealous/scared/uninformed/whatever, but they simply cannot understand that which they were not a part of.
Haters gonna hate
Also, one last thing - this may only apply to me and greek-affiliated people I knew, I feel as though I got all the stupid partying out of the way. Nowadays I actually feel more focused and more motivated, and acting like a typical 20-something (drinking too much, being totally apathetic to the world around me) is no longer interesting to me. I am much more mellow and mature, and I think the social experience from being greek is the cause.
Oh yes, one more thing, sorry my head is all over the place....To answer your original question, Mr Edmundo - yes, a lot of that stuff still goes on (I am only referring to the 2nd frat's line-ups). However, its much more calculated, more physical, less homo-suggestive and there is, of course, an over-emphasis on forging a geniune brotherhood.
Greek is a way of life.The fact that you think people join to 'belong' couldn't be further beyond the truth. By swearing an oath to a secret organization, you bind yourself to a moral and ethical code to those you entrust. These are the people you believe will be the social, political, & economic elite. Consider it professional networking with social upside. If you're really disgusted by it all, you'd love www.totalfratmove.com
haha these guys are Sammys? Isn't Sammy a Jewish house? It was at my school. Didn't know Jews could be so meaty.
brb rushing Beta Chi
I was in a fraternity, hazed harshly before I hazed others myself. It was awesome and I developed lasting friendships. Many of us were extremely successful academically and now pursue lucrative careers.
Haters gonna hate. You're the ones who missed out.
Okay, a frat party like this might be worth a little hazing. On a side note, if my kid went to USC and I saw him in this video, his ass would be in community college so fast it'd make his fuckin' head spin.
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