Prestige Rankings in Europe
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on 4/3/07 at 2:34pm
This is for IBD, not markets, and by "prestige" I mean where graduates seem to want to work most.
1. GS/MS
2. ML/JPM/LEH
3. Laz/Roths
4. Citi/UBS
5. CS/DB
6. ABN/Barclays/Bear
7. BNP/DrKW/HSBC/RBS





no one wants to work at
no one wants to work at rothschild. i would rank it below db. lehman ibd in europe isn't strong but i guess graduates do tend to like the lehman brand.
uhhhh, that seems pretty
uhhhh, that seems pretty wrong. From what I have heard, everyone is busting their balls to work for DB Europe
This is for IBD, Salam.
This is for IBD, Salam. Tallon I thought Roths had quite a reputation with the old school, they seem to be quite a good M&A house along with Lazard. I would never fit with the culture though.
Those rankings for IBD look
Those rankings for IBD look pretty messed up to me, also. I'd go more with:
1) GS
2) MS/Laz/Rothschild
3) DB/JPM
4) ML/Citi/CS/UBS
5) Lehman/Barclays/HSBC
etc.
I'd say it's arguable that Lazard and Rothschild are more desirable than GS..depends on the person. Rothschild, although fairly weak in the US, is a European powerhouse. No one wants to work for ML/JPM/LEH over them, except maybe someone hoping to transfer to the US after 2 years. Also, Lehman in Europe sucks. It's nowhere near as good in EU as it is in the US. Also, Barclays in EU is much better than in US..I'd say it could be moved up into category 4 in the above group even.
Dav3100 i agree on
Dav3100 i agree on Laz/Roths, I know people who turn down GS/MS for them. I would never put Lehman that far down, their brand equity is strong. Though it does seem like I was wrong on DB. From reading this forum it seems like there is much more emphasis on getting an MBA stateside than in europe...my closest mates in banking went straight from analyst to associate.
no offense dav3100 but you
No offense dav3100 but you aren't even in europe.
Before I start I just to reiterate that this thread is based on 'where graduates seem to want to work'.
In oxbridge/lse people respect lazard but there is very little respect for roths.
People respect db capital markets but there less respect for db ibd - its prestige is below its league tables rank as its been very high in the uk and europe league tables recently.
Conversely the prestige of lehman ibd is well above its league table position. In general oxbridge/lse students place a premium on BB status.
For students at oxbridge/lse the ranking goes something like this:
1.GS/MS
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2.ML/LAZ/JPM
3.CITI/LEH
4.UBS/CS
5.DB/ROTH
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6.DrKW/ABN/BEAR/HSBC
Where is Bank of America
Where is Bank of America Securities IBD in Europe?
I wonder why DB prestige is
I wonder why DB prestige is not higher given its performance lately. Tallon, i agree with your assessment other than roths. The negativity might be due to the old school reputation, but few people i know deny the quality there.
BofA...not as highly regarded as UBS/CITI and the rest. I would place BofA with barclays(which is on the rise)/bear, though definitely above HSBC. student22, are you oxbridge/lse?
How could you not want to
How could you not want to work for Rothschild London when they rank 2nd in M&A league tables for the UK, France, and a few other EU's? Their restructuring practice is also top-notch.
so if i wanna focus on M&A
so if i wanna focus on M&A or Lev Fin., will it be a better choice to stay in Laz rather than the other two BBs in category 2?
i agree, Rothschild is a
i agree, Rothschild is a great place but it students at oxbridge/lse seem to like the 'safety' of a BB - most students will even turn down Greenhill for GS/MS.
I would place BofA in the upper end of bucket.
At my uni the rankings are
At my uni the rankings are something along these lines
1-GS
2-MS-Laz-Greenhill
3-Citi-UBS-DB-JPM
4-CS-Roth-Lehman
BarCap
BoA
HSBC, Bear
ABN Dresdner ...
At my uni
Well..at my uni or region atleast the rankings go
1- GS/MS/UBS or more prominently UBS recently
2- DB/Citi
3- CS/ABN/Barc
4- LEH/ HSBC/ BnP
small potatoe, I think your
small potatoe, I think your list is the most accurate so far, particularly in sticking UBS and DB much further up the list. I'd stick JPM and ML in position 2 as well.
I personally don't see why people are placing Lehman so high, nobody I know was in the slight bit interested in them vs other banks, and I certainly don't follow the BB argument as we are talking about Europe. As for Lazard, Rothschild, etc, tallon123 is definately right in saying most people would choose a BB over them when it came to a final decision (I for one did).
student22 is neither oxbridge or lse, at least I sincerely hope they don't let in people who make grammatical mistakes like 5 persons (another of his posts).
Re: small potatoe, I think your
student22 is neither oxbridge or lse, at least I sincerely hope they don't let in people who make grammatical mistakes like 5 persons (another of his posts).
Neither Oxbridge NOR LSE. Nothing worse than criticizing someone's grammar while making another grammatical mistake! Although I must admit Student22's was far more flagrant than yours.
Fair enough :) I'm sure
My knowledge of European
A lot of European IBD is
small potatoe your list has
Re:
?
because Greenhill is very
lol what a fucking tool.
Lazard often ranks 10-15 in
apart from the idolization
Just updated..
Lazard has fewer analysts,
I disagree completly with
This is an exercise in futility
I agree
Re: small potatoe your list has
BofA
True, try to achieve your
Definately true about
My experience was very
Re: Those rankings for IBD look
Re: This is an exercise in futility