Vacation Days given to analyst, true vacation?
Just curious, but what is the typical amount of vacation days given to an analyst? Are you able to truly get away from the office on these days? Are there any scheduling conflicts since I am sure most people want Xmas and other main vacation times off?
20 days (4 weeks) is pretty much the bog standard in the industry for vacation days at IB and in consulting as well. You also get off the NYSE trading holidays (I think there are 8 or 10 of them). Potentially you may have some sick or personal days as well, probably 2 personal and 5 sick.
Usually you make a matrix to make sure that someone is on at all times during Xmas and thanksgiving (except day of since those are holidays not vacation days).
Sometimes you get to take your days, sometimes you don't. If you aren't on anything live at the time, the chances are you'll get your days. Also make sure you actually book something once you have your vacation approved, they will have to reimburse you for the trip you booked, which makes them less likely to cancel.
Usually at the end of your first year in August, if you haven't been able to take any days, they will force you to do so. They worry that eventually you will break under the strain. Yes its hard to take a random vacation, so you just have to be flexible and talk with your staffer.
An analysts should never take all their days at any point in their 2-3 year stint. As for being forced to take days, that is BS as well. Alot of places let analysts take a week vacation at the ned of their first year, but I took a total of 5 vacation days my first year and save for one Friday, everday used was around Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter. Don't plan on taking any trips for "fun" in your first year.
Depends on the bank. JPM has 3 weeks (though not sure if people actually use them all), Citi has 1-2 weeks, Barclays has 2 weeks. This is all for first year.
When you start as an analyst, they usually ask you to put in your anticipated vacation times before you start on your case (that way your staffer will try not to assign you to something that may conflict). Though your plans may fall through if work demands your attention.
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My offer letter said 4 weeks for JPM
In IB, do you have to declare weekends as vacation days, since you often have to work weekends and there are not "offical" work hours? or does it vary by bank?
Weekends do not require vacation days. However to make sure that you can use the weekend as part of a vacation, you should book the Friday in front of the weekend, and potentially the monday after if you want to use the weekend. In fact you can't use a vacation day on a weekend or public holiday in most banks systems (since they aren't work days, you just have to work).
I took five days over my two years. I did get requests to do work during those five days, but I mostly ignored them. Expect that even if you do go on vacation, you'll have to do some work while you're there.
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Vacation time as an analyst? (Originally Posted: 02/17/2012)
Will be starting as a first year analyst in the summer. My package included a pretty generous amount of vacation time and I was wondering, will I actually be able to take all of this?
I was hoping someone could shed some light on their analyst years and let me know if you actually were able to take some time off.
All depends on your group culture and deal flow activity - you have to be flexible. The vacations I took as an analyst in IBD were always last minute.
Common sense dictates if and when a vacation is feasible. You don't want to be "that guy" asking for vacation at the wrong time. Actually, you don't want to be "that guy" for anything other than doing your job to the best of your ability. Analyst years are not fun, they are not meant to be.
Bottom line: Worry about vacation after your stint. If your group is cool and a small window opens up, then you might get lucky.
No, hope that answers your question...I've taken 4 days off in 2 years.
No, not really.
I was able to maybe jet out a few hours early on Fridays to catch a plane to Vegas, but the occasional Friday half day every here and there was as far as I got in my first couple of years. Even then there was still some resentment that I was leaving early.
If that sounds awful, I can say it wasn't so bad. I was surrounded by people in the same boat (so it's not as though everyone else was flaunting their vacation time in front of me), and when I finally did get to take a real week off, I went all out. Saving and accumulating what would've been spent on vacations over two/three years allows you to make your first one an utter blowout.
I'm a 2nd-year analyst. I've taken six days off.
Depends on group. Regional offices probably easier to get off if coverage officers are out of town.
I loled at "pretty generous package".
Vacation Days (Originally Posted: 05/22/2013)
I was surprised that my offer letter said that I will get several weeks of vacation days.
Is this for real, or would I anger people by actually using these days?
Is this in IB? Big or small firm?
Vacation's for pikers. You want vacation, go teach 3rd grade.
It's BB IBD
I get 4 weeks and took my first day off this year last week. wish we could sell them back
From my understanding, sure you "get vacation days" but I wouldn't expect to ever get to use them.
Weak...
All offer letters from BB are going to give you two, three, or four weeks of vacation. However, you're not expected (and shouldn't!) take all the vacation days you are, in theory, entitled to. You'll be expected to take a couple of weeks per year (actually it depends on the culture of the bank and the staffing needs of your team) while you're an analyst.
Bullshit. Take your fucking days if you're lucky enough to have them on paper. If you're doing well at your job and playing your cards right on the social level no one will care. I'd love for someone to file a wrongful termination suit on this one "I got great performance evaluations but I actually took my stated vacation days and they fired me!".
is this a serious question?
Lol no, if you take a vacation in your first year your fired. They have to give it due to labour regulations
You'll get a feel for the group early on but I wouldn't take a week to go to a tropical destination in your first year. You probably can, however, take a day or two here and there to go to a wedding/bachelor party/etc.
I took 7 or 8 days total my first year, excluding two weekends. Could've probably pushed for more but yeah, it depends on your group. Most people take these vacations days during the summer after their first year.
Group dependent. I get 4 weeks off and take them all in July/August when its slow. No one cares as long as you're not leaving anyone hanging on work.
My group gets 2 weeks. People typically take 0-3 days.
Take them when everything's slow (Summer or end of year) and no one will care. Depending on where you are located, here is a little trick: Go find a doctor that will write you a sick leave note starting the day when you vacation starts and you can legally claim the vacation days back and take them again. Works best in Europe.
i get 6 weeks...haters gonna hate
Big differences between companies.. wasn't aware of the fact that it can really differ weeks.
Most groups allow analysts to take a week over the summer after their first year. Generally people don't actually "count" how many vacation days you take against your official tally. Therefore, most analysts are able to leave the firm a couple weeks early at the end of their two years.
This was a three and a half year old thread...
Haven't had vacations for the last 2 years. Got 4 week "holidays" though
30 on paper..
As a summer, they described that for full time, you were taking 0-5 days total and you would pretty much bank the remaining until the end of your two years. That said, some used the remaining days their last month to basically leave a month early.
required by law to get vacation and some financial regulators require 5-days in a row off.
25 days plus bank holidays and plus the days between Christmas and new year.
Take every single day each year.
Banking is for idiots.
The beauty of being a trader is that you're legally required to take at least 2 straight weeks off. Plus a couple of days here and there you end up using 15 or so days.
basically, don't use all of them
Probably different here in the Netherlands, my associate has two weeks off right now...
Yea my friend in S&T is required to take 2 weeks straight. Don't know if he takes any other days off unless it's really necessary.
Non-ibd, 20 days, take them all... as does everyone else. Didn't take much, if any, vacation/sick days my first year in banking -- pretty stupid looking back on it.
Maybe it's cuz I'm several years out of college now, but I find these types of posts and replies so hilarious. Most of you will burn out before you reached the promised land (if you can even call it that). The smart ones of you will realize it's bullshit and opt for a job that gives you far better hours, still attractive comp, and lets you actually enjoy your life.
All of these jobs are only enjoyable at the upper levels (VP and above), and at least half the people in the upper levels did not start out as analysts.
I am relieved someone said this.
For all of the tough guys who think not taking your vacation days makes you more legit or something, I hope you take some time to reflect on the sheer uselessness of what it is you're devoting your life to, and then take your girlfriend on a trip somewhere.
Good God.
What everyone in this thread is missing is that you still get to take all of your vacation days in banking. Even if you aren't able to take a single day off during your entire two year stint, that just means you take all of your accrued vacation at the end of your two years and you leave the bank a few weeks early. S&T isn't getting some crazy vacation day arbitrage, they just spread their vacation out more than IB analysts do.
Actually depends if it rolls over - you get to take a week off at the end of the first year but not all firms have the rollover vaca (and if they do, it expires within the first 3 months)
Not actually. My contract specifically limits how many days of vac I can roll over to the next year.
BBs here: approx. 21-28 days on paper, 0-7 actually taken. Rest is just burnt.
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Vacation Time - Standard amount of time an analyst gets? (Originally Posted: 05/10/2007)
What's the standard amount of vacation time an analyst at a BB gets? Also, are offices closed on stock market holidays?
from what ive heard, 0 to a few days
and the offices arent closed but if you get lucky you wont have to work on major holidays
"Let me tell you what's required. You are required to work your fucking ass off at this firm. We want winners here, not pikers. A piker walks at the bell. A piker asks how much vacation time you get in the first year. Vacation time? People come and work at this firm for one reason: to become filthy rich. That's it. We're not here to make friends. We're not savin' the fucking manatees here, guys. You want vacation time? Go teach third grade public school." -Boiler Room
Seriously though, not much from what I've heard.
we had this guy in banking transferred from the NYC office who didn't like taking days off, cos in the US they usually only have xmas and thanksgiving off. so the answer will be little or none.
Damnit, LuckyKarma beat me to it.
My firm has 0 days for the first six months with increasing amounts for each subsequent six month period. However, even then, most people don't use all of them. That being said, we still get some holidays (though there is still a chance we have to work during them).
Some of my friends are getting four weeks. Is it true that the SEC requires sales and trading people to take two weeks of vacation straight?
Yes, it's so compliance can rummage through your desk, e-mail, etc. while you're gone.
I think most people are exaggerating. Most people take a vacation about 3 times a year. My firm has a policy where you must take 5 consecutive weekdays off per year.
Vacations for I-banking associates? (Originally Posted: 07/26/2006)
I know that I-banking associates typically work 80+ hours per week. However, I was wondering if they are really able to take any vacation time. Or do they wait until they lateral to a new job before taking any time off?
Associates definitely do take vacation time. They won't be out of the office one week a month or anything crazy, but vacation time is available and utilized.
no more spring breaks...
Does anyone ever really take vacation? I finally took a full week of this year and I was still getting pinged every 3 minutes. Crossing my fingers this whole RIM thing goes the other way and Blackberry goes out of business. That would be beautiful
Amen!
Vacation time - How much time do analysts get? (Originally Posted: 12/24/2011)
How much time do analysts in IB get off including xmas etc? does everyone typically take these holidays?
thanks guys.
It depends. Last year I took off dec 25/26 (did work at home on the 26th) and had off for new years eve. This year we all worked our balls off last night and we're taking off until Jan 2. Granted, we will be attached to blackberrys and laptops.
If you want holidays then F500 is the way to go! When you sign IBD, you are on call 24-7 with most banks. Grind hard and don't plan on ski trips until you make VP.
I think this may have been discussed once or twice before...
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This is pure gold.
depends on location, in europe we got 27days a year to start with, but MDs dont get much more than low 30s. and yes, we take them off, at least 2 weeks during the summer has to be continuous. this is for IBD, but S&T is probably not that much different. I think U.S. is 13 days from what I've heard from our nyc office
things have been somewhat slow at my MM, taking Dec 23rd to Jan 2nd off, still have my blackberry/laptop with me though. pretty nice
Do you still get a check during your time off?
Yea it's paid
Vacation Time - Does this happen when you're an analyst? (Originally Posted: 12/15/2006)
The hours suck day to day, we all know that, but my offers have vacation time stated on them. Will an analyst ever get to take advantage of vacation? How much of it? How do holidays tend to work? It probably depends on the bank, but what is your experience?
how many people have off due to christmas / new year's?
Vacation Time - Does this happen when you're an analyst? (Originally Posted: 12/15/2006)
The hours suck day to day, we all know that, but my offers have vacation time stated on them. Will an analyst ever get to take advantage of vacation? How much of it? How do holidays tend to work? It probably depends on the bank, but what is your experience?
my offer doesnt say anything about vacations...anyone else?
My contract (IBD London) says 25 days, so that's 5 weeks! but do you really use them? or is it state law to give 25 days but it's employers choice to take them or not? How much vacation do you americans have?
If your starting at a BB in London, only expect to get a handful of those 25 days...
As for US, some local spreadsheet junkie may want to confirm but you get 5 days on the contract and there's a good chance you won't take them all.
At boutiques and MM it depends very much on the culture.
You will most definitely use a lot of those 25 days in London (a lot more thant in the US). First of all, most banks require you to take 2 consecutive weeks in the Summer 1) so you don't explode 2) so they can check if you are doing anything illegal
additionally, since all bank holidays in the UK are on Mondays, many people take an extra day on a bank holiday weekend to sneak in long weekend (of course subject to not being smack in the middle of a deal).
Finally, you likley get some time around Christmas.
In New York, I have heard people are getting 4 weeks, but are having trouble using much of it
really, just a handfull? feel even more sorry for our american IB-ers and soon-to-be IB-ers.
I'm talking about M&A of course, which is the worst activity in IB from a wokring hours / hols point of view.
Might be able to take a long wkend here or there-- not much more in IB MA or CF.
Most firms pay you at calender year- end for unused vacation time.
illegal? what is illegal that you can do behind your desk (sorry not so creative) ?
Thanks for the reply, load of my mind.....
Not sure what the hell they look for, but as long as they are giving me two weeks off, they can look for Bin Laden, the people who poisoned the Russian spy, or Britney Spears' virginity.
All fine by me.
You only need one day off to take a long weekend away somewhere. That can be fantastic, and keep you going for another month or two.
I thought the whole 2 consecutive week off thing was just for traders and salespeople so their books could be checked for anything illegal? This applies to banking too?
my JPM offer has 4 weeks vacation on it.
i heard analysts maybe get one week off realistically though.
confirm?
I'mma ask for two months for rest and recuperation. I only hope they don't test me for drugs when I return .....
my JPM offer has 4 weeks as well
so consensus is that you won't use much, but you get paid for unused days?
I'd say that's the case. Some banks in London do offer 20 days (think this is legal minimum on contract) for new starters when others offer 25.
I was able to take most of my hols but know a bunch of people who were well short.
You also hear of others working 200-300 days in a row, but not sure how much truth there is in those claims!
love the two-weeker
I also got 4 weeks from JPM. I was told that it is common for analysts to get about a week off not long after the yearly bonus comes in. I am assuming (and nearly sure) that 4 weeks = 20 days and not 28. Can someone confirm this?
1 week = 5 days
It is my understanding that California law states you must take 5 consecutive days off (i.e. week) at some point during the year.
From my observations over the last 2.5 years, the banks obey it.
Vacation? (Originally Posted: 03/09/2009)
i'm interested whether or not analysts actually get vacation time they can use, or whether all that i have read was true, and you can't take a single day off. Now assuming this was a normal year, not one that is very slow. Thanks for the insight.
I'm in S&T so I can't speak for IBD, but I get standard 4 weeks, accruing at equal amounts of 1.67 each month. As far as usage, I've felt no pressure so far againt scheduling some days. Actually just the opposite. Given that I graduated in December, started in January and will be attending training in August, it was suggested by HR themselves that I take some time off before the summer.
4 weeks! damn you must be in London. I am very jealous that is sweet. Also in S&T, I get 10 days a year.
I think "attitude" toward vaca differs by firm. Some friends at some firms are inclined not to use 'em just because their Associates don't.
my first yr in S&T at a BB i think i took 2 days off (solely due to a dick boss) -- most of my friends there ended up taking 5 days off sometime in the summer and maybe a few more days here and there..very dependent on your boss/desk
MCMO... WX LIVES LESS THEN 10 MINUTES FROM YOU...LOL
capital markets - 3 weeks vacation, but junior people take 2 weeks off during the year. I think it's reasonable to have a couple weeks and maybe a day or 2 off as long as you have done a decent job.
Vacation Time - How many days (Originally Posted: 12/11/2007)
I've heard that vacation time is pretty a far-fetched concept for a first year analyst beyond the odd day or two here and there. I'm just curious to see how many days people took in their first year?
Also, is it true that no time can be taken in the first 6 months at most BBs?
for IBD, it can be the case yes.
In my analyst class I don't think anyone really took a day off in their first 6 months. Maybe scattered days here and there for personal reasons. I left 1 weekend for a wedding but my "vacation" was only around 18 hours, other than that no time off.
After your first year it gets a lot easier to take time off - at some banks senior people actually encourage analysts to take a vacation after their first year finishes up. Well, maybe not encourage, but it's customary for analysts to do so, at least in some groups/banks.
Basically, though, your life is going to be very painful for the first six months. It does get better though, if that's any consolation.
So there is not break for holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving?
If by break you mean you'll likely get only Thanksgiving Day and only Christmas Day off, then yes it's possible. Just for some perspective, a few 2nd years working in my group last year were in the office on Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day, and worst of all New Years Day.
They will allow you to book it in most places as long as there is a minimum number of people on call. We did our holiday trading up front, ie I'll stick around for thanksgiving and get a few days around both Christmas and New Years. At the same time, I was on my laptop for half the vacation, but I wasn't in the office.
There were people at all levels in the office, some because they were on call, some because of deals. Unlike most times, people don't want to be there and in some ways don't want you there. So, you get a little bit of a break with the days being a bit more like weekends.
Vacation time? People work here to become filthy rich. No other reason. That's it. You want vacation time? Go teach third grade public school.
I'm taking 2.5 weeks off starting next monday returning on 2nd of Jan. well i'm in S&T. btw did i say I left office at 5:30 today? Well i only get in around 7am.
bonuspoints for the boiler room quote! ;)
I'm taking my vacation around the holidays so I can stretch it out longer since most people won't be working XMAS/New Year's unless you are on something live.
vacations (Originally Posted: 11/06/2006)
how much time does an analyst or associate usually get, and do they usually take it all
I took about 8 days total my first year, but I wouldn't recommend taking any until the end of summer/ beginning of fall, when deal flow generally slows down
I havent' taken any vacation days in 2 years.
I didn't take any days during the first two years. Tool a few days off during my third year though. (I'm on the buy side).
Vacation Time For Analysts (Originally Posted: 10/07/2006)
As an analyst have you ever taken a vacation? I mean at least a week where you didn't have to do anything for work and maybe went somewhere nice.
People with real experiences only please.
DB gives a week for 1st years
don't know about others
But can you take it?
probably, some of the analysts that presented at my school spoke of their vacation times.
If they told you that at a presentation than its probably a load of shit. I don't you know if you've figured it out yet but they tell you what they have to in order to get you interested. And then when you find out its not true, its already too late and you stay for the money.
And not to mean or anything but I asked for real experiences because I want to know if people actually get vacations. I know a top exec at IBM who "gets" 6 weeks a year but has never taken more than 1.
at JPM you get 4 weeks, but obviously you really can't take nearly that much time. As a 1st year you can take a day off here and there, and maybe a little more time around the holidays. Its really the summer after where you can think about taking a more substantial break.
Once they got their bonuses, the analysts at my bank all took week-long vacations
That's the kind of stuff I want to know, real experience.
I agree as an analyst you'll probably be working more or less during vacations.
Totally agree with the point about waiting until that first bonus check hits the bank. At that point you're no longer the low man on the totem pole.
Unfortunately, despite the official party line of getting 3 (or 4, or whatever) weeks' paid vacation, there tends to be tremendous peer pressure for analysts to stay put when it comes to taking vacation (even if there is NOTHING going on). That said, if you're lucky enough to be in a group with reasonable people, take the time when you can get it, and don't apologize for it. Make the effort to accommodate other people when they take off, and they usually will return the favor. We're all in the same boat....
so is this just for analysts in the IB division?
IBD is what I was referring to, yes.
thanks guys this is helpful, it would be good if more people with experience could add.
Analysts: Vacation Times (Originally Posted: 05/01/2011)
Are analysts expected or is it mandatory to taken vacation times? Are they usually expected to be taken all at once, and are doctor's appointments considered vacation days?
Thanks!
Doctors appointments are considered sick time. If you have paid time off instead of vacation and sick time then it is all grouped together.
Doctor's appointments are typically handled between you and your manager. At lot of firms have an in-house doctor or nurse practitioner.
Typically as an analyst, you don't get to take vacation time for your first six months to one year. After that, it generally goes to 3 weeks/year as an Analyst, typically scaling to 4 when you hit Associate or VP 2-4 years later.
For Xmas, whats the standard? Xmas eve + Xmas? New Years Eve + New Years?
Again, depends on your manager and your line of work. I didn't get vacations my first six months, but my manager let me take Christmas Eve Day (a monday) to see my family. This was after I worked the day before/after Thanksgiving.
Don't expect vacation days in your first six months.
I'm 8 months in. Had a handful (~10-15) of weekend days off thus far, never weekdays (including office holidays) and obvi no vacation. Had Christmas Day off (worked Xmas Eve, Thnxgivng, New Years and NYE). Legit. Someone get me out of my sweatshop.
10-15 days off in 8 months seems pretty decent to me
This is really depressing! Going to really miss having 5 day weekends every week for the past year. FML
WannGoPro: Are you at a BB?
I thought getting Thxgiving day, New Years day and Christmas day were conventional?
I am fairly certain in the UK you have to take a minimum amount of time off.
What about dentist/physicals/random little appts?
You aren't tied to you desk. If you need to go to the dentist, it's allright. Some dentist offices are also open on weekends.
What about summer analysts? In London we get 4-5 days off. Is it frowned upon to make use of these days? I'm asking because my semester abroad starts before my internship ends, so it would be awesome if I could take off a couple of days at the end of the internships. Probably won't make use of it though, because I don't want to ruin my chances at an offer. Or are these vacation days mandatory in the U.K.?
Why would you bother to take them? You'll get around £200/day for doing f-all. It would be stupid idea IMO. You'll have plenty of time to do nothing once your term starts. It's not as if your lectures take up all of your time.
That said, I have heard of people taking breaks away and getting a return offer afterwards. Not the sort of thing that will look too good for you though.
Do analysts take vacations? (Originally Posted: 02/06/2007)
Or is this a 24/7/365 sort of job?
Take one week of vacation and do it in the summer. If you take it in the winter, or ask to take it in the winter, or say that you were considering asking to take it in the winter, you are pigeonholed as not a "team player" and will not be asked back after your stint is done.
Some analysts take 2 vacations of 1 week each at beginning and end of the summer. Those people aren't as bad as the people in the first paragraph, but try not to do it.
Technically you'll probably be "allowed" 3 weeks. No analyst has ever taken the full 3 weeks and lived to tell the story. Seriously, they will hunt you down and kill you. And any household pets you may have. They only put it in your contract so that you can pretend you "chose" to work more when you could have been vacationing, and thus think of yourself as dedicated to your work.
Can you take a vacation the summer you start as a 1st year?
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