What to do summer before sophomore year?

I'm currently a freshman in college and I'm exploring my options for the coming summer. This past summer I did a finance-related internship at a small firm. I wanted to hear your suggestions for what to do in order to best set up my career.

Some options I'm considering:

  1. As an aspiring ibanker, I want to do something ibanking-related, preferably in NYC. I know it's near-impossible to land something at a BB as a rising sophomore, but I hear there may be opportunities at boutique firms. Would the best path of action consist of cold calling/emailing people at boutiques and expressing my interest?

  2. I've heard PWM is possible at BBs for younger kids like myself. Is this a legitimate possibility?

  3. Summer school somewhere like LSE, taking finance-related courses.

I'd love to hear other suggestions as well.

 

All three of these would be great options for a freshman. At your age, just remember that the most important thing should just be to build a strong GPA base. I don't know where you go to school, but if you network with alumni, the first two options should be achievable.

"If you can count your money, you don't have a billion dollars." - J. Paul Getty
 

Something at a boutique ibank would be good, though it'd likely be unpaid. Getting something in BB PWM should be pretty easy - they're all over the place, and can always use some help, and are not going to have difficult interviews. Assuming you go to a target school, LSE summer school won't add much - given the choice between that and having a free summer with your friends, you should choose the free summer.

 

If you're not a business/finance major (which you may well be if you already know you want to be a banker), then I'd recommend doing a summer business program. They have them at Stanford, U-Chicago, Dartmouth and other places too (though you should go to one of the above). I did that and I found it to be a ton of fun (like summer-camp for college kids - and with a lot of casual sex) and I'm also pretty sure it helped me land my tougher to get, more important internships later in college (it demonstrated I was interested in business, I also took accounting and other essential subjects I didn't focus much on as a liberal arts major).

 

All of them is great. What you have to be able to do is to tell them why you did what you did. In fact, if you end up doing something unique, like own an ice cream cart and sold it for the summer, it'll be something that stands out on your resume. (An investment banker once told me this... I believe it was in Perella? Not sure)

Ultimately, show that you can juggle life, work, and more work, and you try to keep yourself busy, and banks like to see that. And if you can add a little flair to your resume, it's a good thing. Remember, they have to go through so many resumes that it helps to have something unique.

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Bumping this thread up.

I've been to a few information sessions at my school as well as the career fair. Unfortunately, all the firms I talked to are looking for juniors/seniors, not freshman.

How would a freshman like myself go about getting a desirable internship in ibanking, or at least PWM or the like? Also, it seems most firms are recruiting for full-time now. When do they start recruiting for internships?

Some things I've considered to break in:

-cold call/email -trip to NY -leverage the contacts I have now

 

Hi, how was your experience at that boutique and could you please assist me in finding some no name boutiques. I'm an accounting major from a non-target school but due to my current internship in a boutique i have been very interested in IBD. I know i cant transfer from within but i would like to work during school in NYC at some "no name" boutique that would be willing to hire somebody willing to learn all about IBD. I can build models and do comp analysis.

Thanks!!!

 

You should hit up the career advisory network (on the alumni affairs website), and find MD's at tiny banks. Blitz them, and tell them your story. I know a freshman from D who got a job freshman summer this way at a regional boutique. It won't look nearly as good as a job at a BB, but you should be able to get some skills and a better idea of the industry.

 
stparsley:
You should hit up the career advisory network (on the alumni affairs website), and find MD's at tiny banks. Blitz them, and tell them your story. I know a freshman from D who got a job freshman summer this way at a regional boutique. It won't look nearly as good as a job at a BB, but you should be able to get some skills and a better idea of the industry.

I'm pretty sure that this is THE best thing you can do. Any boutique is fine - it doesn't matter how low you have to go.

 

I was basically in the same boat as you with the same options. Ended up applying to an oil company and got in. Great pay (just as much as IB pays during the summer), didn't really do anything, lots of events. Not a bad way to spend your summer.

 

the option to do econ research is always open to me-- the professor happens to be a friend of the family -- but I'd rather not, seeing as how I already did it one summer. I'll try hitting up some of the alumni.. although when I asked my advisor about that, he was like "FUCK NO, DONT DO THAT YOU MORON, THATS NOT WHAT THE DATABASE IS FOR!" according to him, I should only use that DB for questions about jobs, not for actually applying to one.

I wonder if I can maybe do research for someone at Tuck, but I'd certainly like to get a legitimate job this summer if possible.

 

Econ research is more than a legitimate job. Most kids you will be competing with next summer will have just done some bullshit pwm/"financial advisory" shit for Smith Barney in Piscataway, NJ.

And your advisor is right about the database. But what you can do is email him talking about how you're a sophomore interested in the industry who would appreciate any advice whatsoever on how to get in as a sophomore. You might also want to add that you would be very grateful if he could take a look at your resume and issue some brief pointers. 4/5 guys may just not give a shit or have the time to give a shit, but it's all a game of numbers, so if you get one, you're set.

 

Talking alumni is the way to open doors. You don't ask for a job when you are talking to them, you are presenting yourself in an intelligent manner, showing that you have an interest in the industry, and are competent at doing the work...basically the same things you try to convey in a real interview.

Usually if you can sufficiently impress an alum, that opens the door to a conversation about possible opportunities.

 

usually woke up around 1pm, played 18 holes at my friend's country club, started pounding beers on the golf course, continued pounding beers into dinner (usually just grilled some steaks outside the frat house). napped from about 7-9, showered, started drinking again at 930, passed out by 3-4 am. once in a while, the afternoon trip to the golf course would be replaced by sailing, hunting, or video games.

how about some honesty people, this isnt a job interview.

 

I woke in PWM-Controlling for a BB. It was a boring ass job, but it gave me a lot of time to go out at night in NYC and just have fun. Turned that into a boutique IB internship the fall of my junior year (I go to NYU).

Doing something good for the resume is important, but if you go to a top school, it probably becomes less important. But, everyone knows that not working in PWM is fratty as hell.

 

Hey Im a rising junior at a target school with a good gpa and good extra curriculars.I'm currently interning in the treasury operations departments over at Merrill Lynch. They give me a lot of pretty substantial work to do and a lot of responsibility. just like everyone else on this website i want to do i-banking. Do you'll think working in the operations department this summer will help me get an internship at a BB bank next summer after my junior year. thanks

 

Its the whole picture, not just one internship - for example, a fraternity president position will get as much or more weight as a shitty financial advisory internship IMO.

ML on the resume looks good, did you mostly do reconciliations?

 

Currently working at BNY Mellon in Pittsburgh, in the global securities services department. My interest in the job is cyclical to say the least. When working on a project, it's fun, maybe even stimulating at times, but in between projects, it can be absurdly boring.

 

Worked in the finance department for a decent sized city (~$500M budget). Drank heavily. Spent weekends at the beach house. Had plenty of sex.

Get something in finance that won't completely bore you to death. See if you can work at a boutique full time or at least 25 hours a week. If you can't get that, then get the best paying job you can find, do some volunteering, and party.

 

I smoked a bag of meth

Worked at a foreign merchant bank (same as Ibank) in NYC, which just opened its office a year before. Comps, performed research, investor sales material = pretty standard stuff. Then at a hedge fund doing basic ER in certain sectors.

But keep in mind that you need to drink and smoke a lot of cannabis on weekends and 1-2 weekdays a week, just because its summer and your not trying to get FT yet. Apartment roof tops are best for blazing.

Btw, question:

If you did two internships in one summer, would you just put the months you did each one...or maybe the months or the shorter one and "Summer 06" for the longer one or what...just wondering. Also on your resume, should you put the level of assets under management for a hedge fund.

 

I'm at a PIPE fund (private investment in public equity)--very unique investment strategy. I've been analyzing potential PIPE investments, I put together some comps which were included in a PPM (private placement memorandum), and I also authored an industry report which was published in another PPM and on the internet. I've been learning a lot and it's pretty sweet stuff--not quite banking, but definitely interesting. What have you been doing?

 

My HF internship was last summer but I also made comps comparing investments, compared forward ratios using estimates, put everything into excel, a great deal of data gathering and compiling so that research analysts could figure out what companies to pursue.

I liked the HF internship much more than banking in terms of how useful it was in gaining market knowledge.

 

Unfortunately very tough to get IB SA junior year without some sort of somewhat relevant experience sophomore year (to my knowledge) - I could be wrong, and your target school etc might be mitigating factors. You'll need to do something this summer to get IB next, and asking here was a good move - I bet people will be able to provide some good suggestions re: what to do. I won't weigh in in case I'm wrong re: chances

 

If you cannot find a relevant please do something interesting.

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Given that you're working at a strong boutique now as a rising soph, as a rising junior, you should be networking towards and applying to actual SA programs with the BBs. If you are interested in IB post U Grad, then definitely make the push for a BB SA position. Doing this will allow you to both gain incredibly strong experience on your resume ahead of junior year, in addition to exposing you to the BB IB life as well as that particular BB. This will set you up well for your next summer as a junior, when the FT offers will be coming. You will have the opportunity to go back to your previous BB or try a new one if your experience wasn't that great with your first BB.

If you can't get into a BB, then push for another strong boutique. Landing this series of internships ahead of FT recruiting could very well set you up to not break into FT IB, but even FT P/E with a good shop. I wouldn't go with a rotational program unless you really aren't sure what you're interested in. Given your solid experience so early, if you know what you're interested in (in other words if you're interested in IB or PE), then I'd push for the straight path - top school, good GPA (I'm assuming here), and a great jump start on work experience makes you competitive for sure.

Good luck

 

And I'm pretty set on going IB, only reason I mentioned PE was because I basically have a summer to spare and thought maybe IB's will hold 2 internships (1 being IB, 1 being PE) in a higher regard than 2 internships that are both IB. Maybe not though

 

I am in a very similar position... i am also a rising sophomore and intern at a boutique but it isnt as well known. I am looking to try to land an internship with a bigger boutique over the course of this year and eventually at a BB. What do you recommend i fill my time with in terms of internships self learning etc to best prepare myself for a bb

 

CNB90... Just sounds like a waste of a possibly HUGE competitive advantage. Having 1 internship under your belt when applying to BB's after Jr. year is one thing, having completed two is another...

I really want to take advantage of the extra summer, still open to ideas

 

Gramsquad,

I have two internships already. I rotated for 5 weeks in one bank (ibd/pe/IM) and then another 5 weeks in the IBD of another Ibank - I built and worked on various models and heck I even saved the value and viability of a deal with an idea of mine that I, without order or notice, created a model for. In short, we're young once and our careers will consume 40 years of our lives - I might travel for a few weeks before my internship next summer should I have one, or I might just say F it and travel longer - I'm sure I'll make the right decision, if any bank has a problem with it, they can kiss my ass, I can always go back to the bank I interned at this summer.

 

Update here: just received an email from an M&A boutique back home. Said they don't have an internship program but can give me a few projects to work on and meet them occasionally to coordinate the work. Because they have clients and a small office in my town, I can work from there. Will talk to them on Wednesday. Is it worth it to go back and do that instead of the entrepreneur thing here (it's just 2 days a week)?

 

I interned at a L/S Hedge Fund sophomore summer. Spent this past summer interning at a BB in S&T. If you are able to contact a small hedge fund, they are usually open to bringing on someone to help. Finding a HF that trades EM Credit/Rates/Currency would be ideal given your aspirations.

 

Thanks for the comment.

Did you have any work experience prior to your internship at the HF? I'm asking because I have absolutely zero relevant work experience. I do go to a target school, so hopefully Ill be able to get the internship on my grades and expressed interest alone.

Also, did you offer to work for free? Was your HF internship paid?

 

I had no prior work experience, and not a great GPA. I did not explicitly state that I would work for free (Although I would have) and was paid $500/Week. That is essentially chump change to these guys.

 

I was fortunate enough to land an internship the summer after my freshman year. However, a lot of people i know went on to wait tables or work similar jobs to keep the beer money flowing. For your career, you're certainly not expected to do anything amazing. While improving your GPA never hurts, going to summer school is a drag. I'd say, spend 80% of your summer working some standard job, and then spend a week or two doing some traveling. It's always fun to spend a week with high school buddies that you haven't seen much since going to college.

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I was also pretty lucky to get an internship my summer after frosh year. It wasn't paid but provided great experience, which became a great plus when getting interviews the next few years. Biggest tip is to be hungry and be willing to network hard. Feel free to look beyond your regular ibanking/pe places and include private wealth management and anything finance related.

 

I did a paid internship at a fortune 25 company, that said though, I was lucky to land it... most of my friends waited tables... but what you could do is also try doing unpaid internships as mentioned before, and if you really want to boost your gpa, you can get a part time job on the side so you have some money coming in. Traveling isn't bad either, I would suggest backpacking, bankers love that shit.

 

Landed an internship in trading.

If you can't find an internship that's paid (ideal) find a standard job to generate some cash. Then go look for someone who will let you come in and shadow them/do menial tasks for a couple hours a week unpaid for some exposure (private wealth management comes to mind). Use the money you make and the free time you have to start investing in reading materials on finance topics/careers that interest you for the future. School is school, as long as you're not behind or have a subpar GPA, don't do summer classes. I learned more about trading/banking by reading Hull, tinkering around with Damodoran's models, etc. than from the stuff you learn in school. Then use the knowledge base you build to begin reaching out to alumni and exploring what's out there. Network early and often to begin casting your net as wide as possible.

Don't forget to enjoy yourself either though.

 

Find out who your parents know. Find out if there are any alums working in the area who could point you in the right direction. Call local wealth management branches and see what the prospects are.

 

I worked at a summer camp freshman summer and the same summer camp sophomore summer, sailing and playing with kids all day long, and had no problems getting very good SA offers...

Sometimes I think people stress a little too much haha :-)

 

took xferable classes at a community college and worked at banana republic, both were memorable experiences in their own special ways...

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"its the running joke now, we now have fair trade with china so they send us poisoned sea food and we send them fraudulent securities."

------ "its the running joke now, we now have fair trade with china so they send us poisoned sea food and we send them fraudulent securities."
 

Did an internship with The TJX Companies -- was pretty legit, mostly juniors / sophomores. Of course, I slacked and spent my sophomore summer shucking oysters behind a bar.

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same as one of the guys above...worked at a summer camp and had a great time. Never even thought about doing a finance internship to prepare for the SA offer I got. Some people on here are trying to prep too hard in advance. i never even thought about wall street freshman year.

 

Unstructured internships in corporate business development and m&a freshman and sophomore summers, IBD junior summer. Now S&T FT offer. Freshman and sophomore summers were in my parents' home country, so had an awesome time and learned a lot about the country, the people, the culture and made some good friends there. And working hours were flexible (you could come in between 6am and 10am and leave between 2pm and 6pm). I chose 6am to 2pm, so I had time to hit the beach on most days. It was awesome!


"It is a fine thing to be out on the hills alone. A man can hardly be a beast or a fool alone on a great mountain." - Francis Kilvert (1840-1879)

"Ce serait bien plus beau si je pouvais le dire à quelqu'un." - Samivel

-------------------- "It is a fine thing to be out on the hills alone. A man can hardly be a beast or a fool alone on a great mountain." - Francis Kilvert (1840-1879) "Ce serait bien plus beau si je pouvais le dire à quelqu'un." - Samivel
 

I came home from school and did nothing for three months except house sit for my neighbors. In hindsight, I consider myself very fortunate to have gotten a job. I had at least a few interviewers give me a hard time about not working after freshman summer.

My advice: do something, it really hurts having that gap on your resume.

 

I just took classes and hung out all summer, I don't think there is any real rush after your freshman year. I would just chill out and have fun because you aren't going to have many summers after that.

 

nystateofmind nailed it, i studied abroad and had a great time w/o learning anything at all, but it gave me something to talk about. It doesn't matter what you do as long as you do something you can point to. Just don't sit at home by the pool the whole summer. Get a part time job, travel, classes ect. so you have something to talk about down the line.

 

Freshman: I worked at fedex unloading trucks from 5-9am then delivering packages till about 3pm. Some days I would also lifeguard.

Sophmore: Worked at the library, took a class, went to Australia

Junior: MM PE/buyside search

Real world: BB IBD

It takes all kinds people, stop stressing out.

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Worked part-time at a company that did on-site tech support for small businesses. Basically, we were their IT department, and they didn't need to hire their own people.

While I wasn't at work I screwed around and went to the beach. Don't take yourself too seriously.

Landed a IBD internship and FT offer, but took a FT offer at a different bank.

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I didn't have ANYTHING business related until my sophomore summer. 3 internships: sophomore summer, junior fall, junior spring. Then BB position. Honestly though, pre-sophomore summer my experience was at a coffee shop and places like that...

 

the Fed? thats awesome

srr636:
worked at the Fed & cocktail waitress-ed on the weekends..

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"its the running joke now, we now have fair trade with china so they send us poisoned sea food and we send them fraudulent securities."

------ "its the running joke now, we now have fair trade with china so they send us poisoned sea food and we send them fraudulent securities."
 

i'll bet. wish i did something as cool as that my post-freshman summer.

i worked on an exchange floor my post-soph summer but that didn't open too many doors, surprisingly enough for me at the time

srr636:
EE - the Fed is significantly less fun to work at than people would imagine, but it was a solid name to have on my resume, opened a ton of doors for me down the road.

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"its the running joke now, we now have fair trade with china so they send us poisoned sea food and we send them fraudulent securities."

------ "its the running joke now, we now have fair trade with china so they send us poisoned sea food and we send them fraudulent securities."
 

Taught tennis my freshman year and interned for little pay at a commodities based HF for soph year, but as other people have said as long as you have a passion for finance/markets and something to talk about in the interview you should be fine.

 

I worked for a direct marketing company (aka going door to selling promotions) for a couple of months. Then my best friends and I went on a 20-day road trip across the country from coast-to-coast. Best decision ever. I've got an internship at a top boutique this summer.

 

I don't think it really hurts as long as you don't have anything better to put in its place. If you can spin it as "relevant," then by all means list it...

For example, I put my high school job as a short order cook on my resume - During an interview, I actually had the question "walk me through the various positions you have listed on your resume, and tell me one important thing that you learned at each" - I used the obvious "being able to handle stress in a pressure-filled environment" for the cook position.

 
 

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