Best ways to frame upside / PT for a stock
So this is kind of a newbie question, but curious to hear more thoughts.
TLDR: Do you ever pitch a thesis where you don't diverge with consensus / don't think its "discounted", but you think the compounding of EPS / ROIC mechanism is > than market growth over next 3yr period, so you buy it anyways? Or in theory, if you are thinking that, that means that you diverge somewhere between what is priced in today?
I will also caveat that I understand that risk/reward is not an explicit price target, and more triangulating across a couple of frameworks to get a sense of ranges, ebbs and flows, etc.
So super simplistic: ABC makes $10 EPS today, consensus at $12 EPS FY1, I am at $15 EPS. Stock is $100 today. So simple upside is 8.3x $15, or $124.5. Maybe argue that multiple can be different and do ranges here for what a new multiple for this biz is at 50% growth vs. 20% or that expansion in growth rate relative to starting multiple/multiple range needs to be accounted for
You can also do the DCF out by hand if needed, and maybe it says intrinsic price for these characteristics is $124.5 (for whatever that's worth)
Another way I often see is assigning a multiple to another out year estimate and discounting that number back to today by 3-5yrs or whatever
BUT, what if your estimates are mostly in-line with consensus, or not variant to a degree that warrants lots of conviction/other stuff. Yet the business is expected to grow EPS >20% for the next 3yrs. I guess theoretically if the market truly believes that, it should be priced in a way where that growth is hypothetically pulled forward and you don't.
This gets into the compounder bro world I guess - let business compounding do its magic blah blah, always works best in rear view mirror but credit due to the people who got a few of these right early on
When framing upside or price targets (PT) for a stock, especially in scenarios where your estimates align closely with consensus, the approach often shifts to understanding the nuances of growth, valuation, and market expectations. Here's a breakdown based on the most helpful WSO content:
1. Consensus vs. Differentiated View
2. Frameworks for Price Target (PT)
3. Compounding Growth Without Divergence
4. Risk/Reward and Triangulation
5. "Compounder Bro" Mentality
In summary, even if your estimates align with consensus, you can frame upside by focusing on the sustainability of growth, potential for multiple expansion, and triangulating across scenarios. The key is to identify whether the market has fully priced in the growth or if there’s room for upside through compounding or underappreciated catalysts.
Sources: Understanding Concensus & Differentiated View, Basic Guide Ramping Up On A Company With Public Information Part Three, Stock Pitch Sample Template - Proven Examples to Help Ace Your Interview, A Contrarian View - Raging Bull
Just stumbled on this while searching for a thread we posted on some time ago (trying to put together a little note on style for my jr's).
In short, let's break out the actual variance here. If you are $15 EPS vs. street at $12 then you have a $3 variance (+25% to street). Without digging into the actual thesis, the structure of the trade is solid. If you start the frame every trade ideas, whether long or short, near-term or long-term, factor loaded or idio, etc., as essentially a belief in a positive or negative surprise relative to current expectations or estimates, then you're in the right zone. Can always tighten up from there, but that's generally the hurdle to clear.
Wow digging up a question from my past!
I think what I was asking, however, is what about where you don't diverge with consensus estimates / mkt estimates a ton.
I think if you don't diverge, arguably the stock price today = your PT based on all the methods you would assess valuation?
Theoretically, you could just have a situation where business value compounds > other opportunities and > mkt, even if your estimates are in-line with consensus, right? Or perhaps most of the time its just that any excess return opportunity should already be pulled forward and embedded in valuation for something like that.
Like the "compounder" bro era pre 2022/2023 had a lot of investor champions that would argue these types of opportunities. In theory it makes sense that there is a company that could compound value and grow EPS or FCF by 20%/yr for next 10yrs or be a better investment opportunity than mkt/alternatives, AND where the analyst doesn't diverge with consensus that much in their estimates.
But also, arguably, maybe the mere fact that this value hasn't been pulled forward and discounted by the mkt yet means somewhere in your DCF (years 1-3, years 3-10, 10+ to TV / the multiple) there is some type of divergence or uncertainty discount that you as analyst are staking a claim on.
ex: cons has $15/$20/$25 as EPS next 3yrs - and mgmt says they can hit $50 in 10yrs, and you also forecast that. I guess in theory, there is likely some debate mkt is grappling with over durability / achievability, of these numbers. Either way, best process to analyze and trade the stock would be to find the revisions/directions/catalyst events that cement the perception of these numbers and their impact on stock price.
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