Big 4 MM vs. Other Pods Comp Difference
Particularly at the non-PM level, how big is the difference in comp between the big 4 and smaller pod shops (Schonfeld, Verition, etc.)? Obviously prestige is worse (for what that's worth) but curious how they compete on comp / upside. Would I be an idiot go to one of the subscaled ones out of top BB/EB?
Based on the most helpful WSO content, the compensation difference between the "Big 4" multi-manager hedge funds (e.g., Citadel, Millennium, Point72, Balyasny) and smaller pod shops like Schonfeld or Verition can vary significantly, especially at the non-PM level. Here's a breakdown:
Compensation Differences:
Upside Potential:
Prestige vs. Fit:
Would You Be an Idiot to Go to a Smaller Pod Shop?:
Ultimately, the choice depends on your risk tolerance, career aspirations, and how much you value compensation stability versus potential upside.
Sources: David and Goliath: The Boutique and The Bulge Bracket, Stay at Big 4 or jump to boutique?, Big 4 is Paradise, Ask Me Anything - Federal Consulting at a Tier Two Firm, Why do MM IB shops get trashed on so much?
Citadel, P72, and MLP from what I've heard anecdotally can pay the most (they'll commit wild guarantees to lock up top talent) but it doesn't mean they do all the time. It all varies based on the person. An entry level analyst at any platform is not going to make meaningfully more or less than an analyst at a different MM purely based on brand name. It's all about the pod/PM you're working for and if you're at one of the top MMs there are arguably better odds that you'll place into a good pod that performs well and you get paid better (in part because they have better infrastructure/more resources at their disposal to start with). But if anything should show you not to count on that though, go look for the top TMT pod list that was put up in this forum last year and check how many of those names have blown out this year (I think last count was 3?).
A top EB/BB is a meaningless credential to all of these funds and is not going to secure you any more pay than the standard of what they offer fresh analysts unless you have some sort of relationship with the PM and they're willing to pay you more - typical # ~$150k base + discretionary bonus which could range from $0 to 2-3x your base depending on how good the year went, the value you've added, and how generous your PM is. You've never worked in public markets and xls/ppt skills aren't heavily lauded traits in their eyes (so long as you're competent in xls they do not give a fuck).
In summary - the platform you join matters less than the quality of the PM you're working under. Better to be at a top top pod at Verition/Schonfeld than one getting blown out 4mos in at Citadel/MLP forcing you to go back on the job hunt (there's always a chance they move you to another pod and keep you on, but you can't count on it).
Honest question…how many hours a day do u spend on this site?
More hours than they've worked at a HF
~60-90min/day on avg. give or take in little spurts in tandem with my regular newsletter/sector report consumption. I don't use much social media and there's fun gossip to pull out at times + some people are willing to share much more detail about various goings on in PMs. My current firm is chill as far as PE hours go and I'm currently interviewing for HFs so I've been spending more time lately trawling through threads in this particular section. I'd say the ROI on what I've learned from messaging with various folks (not to mention my first PE internship came through a contact I PM'd here) has been more than worth it given the progress in interview processes I've made and considering I wouldn't even be in finance if it weren't for WSO, so whenever I see a question I can answer I try my best.
Helpful, appreciate it
This is pretty spot on
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