Landing a PM role

Hey monkeys,

I'm currently a trader at a commodities merchant. I've been here around a year now. I jumped after doing a couple of years as an analyst at a multistrat fund out of university, as I was given the opportunity to run my own risk/book with a handshake % cut.

While it's a great seat with a great team that I'm very happy with for the time being, the end goal for me is to run my own pod because of the freedom that comes alongside it (deciding own hours, being able to WFH, etc).

How long does one need to be in a trading role before these opportunities start to come through? I'm thinking more of the smaller firms, understand Cit/M need a longer track record.

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, transitioning to a PM role and running your own pod typically depends on a combination of factors, including your track record, experience, and networking efforts. Here's what you need to know:

  1. Track Record:

    • Building a strong and consistent PnL track record is critical. For smaller firms, 2-3 years of positive performance can sometimes be enough to get noticed, but for larger platforms like Citadel or Millennium, a longer and more robust track record is often required.
    • Keep in mind that early PnL can sometimes be attributed to luck or external factors, so demonstrating consistency and skill over time is key.
  2. Experience:

    • While you're already running your own risk/book, which is a great start, firms will look for evidence of your ability to manage risk effectively and generate alpha independently.
    • Typically, 3-5 years in a trading role is a common benchmark before PM opportunities start to open up, especially at smaller firms.
  3. Networking and Proactivity:

    • Smaller firms are often more flexible and willing to take a chance on someone with a shorter track record if they see potential. Networking within the industry and actively reaching out to these firms can accelerate your path.
    • Platforms like Citadel and Millennium are known for hiring new PMs and analysts regularly, but they also have high turnover rates. Staying active in recruiting and maintaining relationships with headhunters can help you identify opportunities.
  4. Self-Starting and Paper Trading:

    • If you're not yet in a PM role, being proactive by paper trading and maintaining a record of your paper PnL can demonstrate your ability to manage a book. This is especially useful if you're targeting a move to a hedge fund or a platform.
  5. Smaller Firms vs. Larger Platforms:

    • Smaller firms may offer more flexibility and quicker opportunities to run your own pod, but they might also come with less stability and resources.
    • Larger platforms like Citadel or Millennium often require a longer track record but provide more robust infrastructure and support.

In summary, while there's no fixed timeline, 3-5 years of experience with a solid track record and proactive networking can position you well for PM opportunities, especially at smaller firms. Keep building your PnL, managing risk effectively, and staying connected within the industry to maximize your chances.

Sources: From trader to consultant, Q&A: ex-bank trader now running crypto hedge fund. questions?, https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/real-estate/running-your-own-shop?customgpt=1, People who fall off the map professionally, Leaving a single manager to start a book at a platform

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