MM now viewed more favorably than SM?
I’m curious what has changed and caused this? I feel like just a few years ago MM seats were wildly viewed down on and now that’s where everyone wants to be. It’s not like the risk and massive pay days of those seats weren’t publicized years ago as well… I’m curious why people view these seats more favorably
Probably divergence of performance between tiger cub crowd and MM platforms in 2021-2022.
Sure but even discount tigers. Feel like people were shills for SM
Most other directional SMs did poorly in 2021-2022 as well.
Believe I saw someone leave Elliot for Baly. The payout must be insane at the pods
This had nothing to do with pod payout lol
Pretty simple - the comp structure. Formulaic comp structure with own carve/run your own risk. Both Almost impossible at SMs (unless your Viking)
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Even then, viking pays nothing close to 10-20% of alpha PnL.
Once there's just a few pods left and there is a ton of infrastructure such that a small guy can't compete, I don't think the MM seats will be nearly as attractive. But for right now, MMs pay more because the PM and analyst are still able to add value and are scarce.
The only place this debate exists is on WSO. If you go to any of the twenty-odd SMs still performing well at scale, they will tell you that they play a different game than MMs: the LT game. It is not that a pod analyst can play this game any worse but all analysts only have finite hours in a day and at a concentrated SM where analysts have 1-3 new ideas a year, they are able to spend more time on their names doing LT work instead of crunching alt data. It’s just a different model. What I have personally noticed is that the best analysts perform well in either model.
The problem with SMs is that people started chasing formulaic prestige instead of fund performance, upward mobility, and investment style fit. When people started choosing TGM, D1, and Coatue over all else, this is what went wrong. However, if you choose a SM that has all I mentioned above, it will generally prove to be a much safer seat than a MM.
With that said, in the industry as a whole, MM’s are capturing more share and SMs are losing share. But in joining the HF industry your goal is to be at a well-performing fund AND perform well there, secular growth of MMs literally does not benefit you personally as a professional AT ALL if you choose to work at these places because your PM is silo’d from the broader fund. It’s not a tailwind in the traditional sense. In fact, it probably makes your job tougher as there’s more competition for alpha. Last time I saw someone do the math here, the average pod at Millenium made 10-15m, once you take out worldquant, SRBL type pods. How much do you think your take is going to be there? if you’re betting on secular growth of MMs to aid your career, buy the index, you shouldn’t be picking stocks.
Incredibly helpful insight and reminder of how the world really exists outside of WSO
Probably the most balanced and succinct takes on the everlasting debate of SM vs. MM I’ve seen on this site.
I agree with most of this except one point. The tailwinds and headwinds impacting MMs and SMs at the fund level respectively does actually have an impact on your career even though you can be siloed in a pod.
If MMs weren’t doing well, they wouldn’t be able to afford to bid for analysts at such crazy premiums via guarantees. There are loads of SM analysts who make the jump because the SM isn’t doing amazing, not much upward mobility once you’re senior analyst, can’t really jump to another up and coming SM since the SM space is saturated and seeing less new SMs at scale to give people those seats. All of a sudden, the MSD $M that p72 is throwing at you as a guarantee starts looking attractive in providing a good cushion and path to being a PM
No analysts are getting mid single digit M guarantees..
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