Q&A: PE Associate to MBA to HF Analyst

Hi all - I'm a 1st year analyst at a concentrated, $1bn+ HF.

My background:

  • Semi-target = > MM IB = > MM, Nichey PE (~$1bn AUM) => Top non-H/S MBA (think Columbia, Chicago, Wharton, NYU) => $1bn+ concentrated HF
  • Throughout my career, I have doubled down on sector expertise in an industry that is both growing yet difficult for generalists to invest in (think HC services, software, fintech)

Questions I can answer:

  • Hour and lifestyle at a concentrated HF
  • General compensation at each level (with IB being 2015-2017 timeframe, PE being 2017-2020 timeframe) including my rough trajectory, as communicated to me by my bosses and told to me by older HF analysts in similar seats
  • Why I think I've been successful (*cringe*)
  • How MBA HF recruiting works
  • What story I told during PE and HF recruiting that seemed to resonate
  • Why I think concentrated HF is a good career bet to make and general outlook on the active investment management industry

Questions I won't answer:

  • Anything more specific about my background
  • Anything more specific about my fund
  • Anything highly specific about my investment process
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First of all, thanks for doing this. Would love to hear more about how the lifestyle is at your current fund, and how it compares to your time in PE. Also curious about your decision to pursue an MBA instead of direct to HF after PE - any insight on your thought process would be greatly appreciated.

 

Lifetsyle:

  • My days now start around 9, end sometime after 4 whenever I feel like, unless there's something time pressing (earnings / event reactions, specific analysis my PM wants, etc.). So maybe 9-4pm 2-3 times per week and then 2-3 nights where I log an additional 2-5 hours of work. I probably average 50 hours per week and more like 55-60 during earnings heavy weeks or when I'm trying to finish up a write up on an idea.
  • Relative to a PE associate, this is a significant step back in hours. I probably averaged 9:30-9pm Monday-Thursday, 9:30-5pm Fridays, but would frequently see weeks of 9am-midnight+ with weekend work during periods when I was staffed across multiple priority deals. Relative to a post MBA PE role, I probably work a similar amount of hours but have a little more flexibility around hours.
  • Generally, working at a concentrated hedge fund land means fewer blow ups than working in PE. Vacations and 3 day weekends are much easier to take, as I have better visibility into events that may transpire. I've never walked into work on a Monday expecting a relatively tame week just to have a partner push me to get a 10-20 pager done on a new deal that wasn't even on my radar the week prior. Now, the things that blow up my weeks are events (company specific news, M&A, financings, policy changes, sector wide news) but the "output" is usually just a bulleted email explaining any updates to my views and/or model so those events tend to just require a lot of reading and some back of the envelope analysis, not building a 3 statement model from scratch or learning a whole new sector.

MBA Decision:

  • Life is very short. I thought I wouldn't get any other opportunities to unplug from your career, make new friends, and benefit from the perspective of new people. I think this benefit is hard to quantify but worth the opportunity cost of the lost 2 years of income, especially given the likelihood of making far more in my lifetime than I'll end up needing.
  • MBAs enable you to "date around" which is crucial for the hedge fund world, which operate in a much more heterogenous fashion than PE funds. I would never join a hedge fund without some sort of trial period of reporting to the PM. The MBA program gave me 3 distinct periods to work for different PMs and get a sense of what's out there and how they differ.
  • A hedge fund seat is not a hedge fund seat is not a hedge fund seat. Prior to B school, I had final round interviews for a $50mm startup fund with ~$250k total comp , a ~$400mm Carlson spinout where I'd be 1 of 4 analysts reporting to a PM on a relative value strategy, and a pod shop seat at one of Millenium / Citadel / Baly under a freshly promoted PM. In retrospect, these were all dog shit opportunities. MBA gave me significantly better at bats. Most of my friends pursuing HF roles out of my MBA program ended up at far better roles than any of the roles I was considering prior to MBA
 
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My take is that money is generally flowing into the antipodes of the investing world i.e. low cost, completely passive on one end and niche, unscalable strategies on the other. The guys in the middle (mutual funds charging 70bps to underperform their index 8 out of 10 years, massive long short funds that charge 2 & 20 for levered beta with 30%+ of their long book comprising FAMGA stocks) seem to be offering products that don't have a place in the allocations of LPs, whose decisions are increasingly based on modern portfolio theory. We've had LPs apply disaggregations of our returns backing into our alpha based on Citadel-like multi factor risk models, to prove that we can actually persistently generate alpha. The limited scalability of funds like mine means that we actually can produce alpha in our little corner of the market year in year out. Funds like Tiger and Coatue would not look good under such a lens. 

In addition, funds like mine that take $100mm+ positions in mid cap and relatively illiquid large caps will do well because we're not actually dependent on any net new capital. We'd rather just keep the investor base we have while compounding our assets. Our investor base has been with us for decades. The redemption rates we see are far, far less than fundraising dependent long/shorts and inertia dependent mutual funds.

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