I've been recently feeling exhausted while wading through the summer analyst recruitment process. I've been stretched thin from networking in February to pushing for interviews now, with no signs of letting up for a few more months.
I'm sure some folks out there feel the same way, and would love to hear how you guys avoid being burnt out. Really appreciate it.
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Don't be burnt out kid you will be able to get through it. In the mean time here is the 2017 Ranking from GO-BUYSIDE employee.
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Plenty of KBW, William, Baird, and HSBC i've seen gone into PE.
Wells Fargo!
Understand its a marathon and not a sprint.
As for networking, be genuine and dont expect anything
Anyone Tired Of Recruiting? (Originally Posted: 04/27/2012)
Anyone tired of applying online and getting rejected? Then seeing their friends, who have spelling mistakes etc in applications, get through the process?
Anyone tired of waiting and waiting for an internship/job offer and still not getting anywhere and therefore 'settling for less'?
Anyone sick of making contacts yet seeing people who put no effort into their application getting through with no contacts?
Anyone amazed how clever people can actually be / how much people actually know ESP when you get to the Assessment Centre stage?
Anyone just feel like just taking a break then people with offers saying 'well your not cut out then' even though they have no idea how it feels?
What keeps you going? (THIS IS NOT A MOAN... Just curious what people out there go through/ how people think)
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!
Hungry?
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PRECISELY how I feel. In the long run though, I will make it farther than my dumber and much much less serious, ambitious and resourceful friends and classmates.
What you're doing is and will pay off in more ways than just landing a job. These guys who don't have the same drive as you will not make it as far in most cases I believe.
Also, the guy you gave your cover letter to better fucking refer you later. Don't help people unless you're in a better position than them. People take advantage and fuck you over.
Me! Had a bad first year, so my cumulative marks aren't too good (approx 3.5) and kids in my class are getting hired who are dumb as bricks. So frustrating, esp when I take a class and get an A that they have to drop out of. Makes me sick.
I think making assumptions about your peers -- that they have spelling mistakes, put no effort into networking, are not as qualified as you, etc. is a pretty pathetic way to go through life. Easy to blame all of your problems on someone else. Keep trying or get out of the game, simple as that.
True. And people like to keep effort, drive etc.. on the down low, it's not "cool" to try, doesn't mean your peers aren't though.
My friends and I
Vontropnats - its not assumptions. I know many people who are capable but humble and get in and they do deserve it. I also know many many people who own up and tell me as a joke that they didn't even try and got in.
Of course you have to keep trying though! Just wondering what keeps people motivated. I definitely don't think there are people with a 'right' to an internship/job but it beats me when an empty CV with spelling mistakes and poor grades with no networking gets through yet something structured and 'driven' fails to pass a CV screen.
Keep it up for 3-4 years then get back to me.
Brother man, I have applied to around 75 banks; ranging from BB to boutique. Out of the 75 I've applied to, ONE has given me a chance. To answer your question, what keeps me going, I either find a job or I sit in my room, like a loser, playing video games all summer.
With a short run outlook, video games sound way better.
Just go do something else. There are enough whiners in this industry.
Im not whining... I'm wondering what people do and what motivates them to continue? Of course the choice is to simply quit or keep trying. I was curious about those who keep trying... How? It's like Mission Impossible 4 or something. Tom constantly banging his head until finally the villian is caught. Haha
Hopesanddreams,
That's because it's all just hopes and dreams to you. Try turning your hopes and dreams into reality, and maybe those negative thoughts will disappear.
Look, I understand where you are coming from. Recruiting is tough. There's no way around it. But there are going to be much tougher obstacles that you will have to face later in life. So if this is going to bring you down this easily, then maybe you don't want it bad enough.
If you want to succeed, not just at recruiting, but at countless challenges you'll face, don't make excuses for why you'll lose and plan to succeed, every time.
Good luck.
Anybody know about mop up recruiting processes? What is the significance of a phone interview with HR campus recruiter at a BB?
Lol if you think recruiting is bad try actually working in IB
Yeah of course, but networking and recruiting is a different type of exhausting. Working is physically and mentally exhausting, and it's very repetitive. Recruiting, at least for me, was a lot more stressful and it felt like the whole world was at stake. It was exhausting for my soul and psyche. Obviously not as literally tiring as working 80-90hrs a week, but it was a deeper sort of exhausting that I really hated.
Agreed, the legitimate lost feeling one feels when they have no clue if they're offer will come tomorrow, next week, or if they will have to go on to october, november, december etc. is scary and mentally exhausting and stressful. It was awful. Imagine someone telling you to start running and not knowing if you'll have to run for 2 blocks, 2 miles, 10 miles etc. Limited analogy, but it simplifies the stress.
It's the rejection that does it
I can 100% relate. While the process isn't very enjoyable, I try to stay focused on the benefits, and celebrate every victory, regardless of how small. Every time I hear back for an interview, make it to the next round, even get a response from a stranger I cold emailed, I celebrate the fact that these minuscule successes could potentially turn into something significant. I also speak often with my fellow IB/PE guys, and we laugh and complain about the process and how much of a nightmare it is. I would like to emphasize that I only do this with CLOSE friends, people I have known long before I developed an interest in banking, and that I trust never to repeat my long tangents filled with complaints. I have a friend working towards a 2018 SA internship at a top bank, and he has literally spoken to 15+ guys from the firm, including the head of recruiting for his target school. He has heard the same answers to the countless questions he has asked, and candidly, so have most of us that have been through the "ringer" more times than they'd like to admit. I try to think of the recruitment process as a testament to how badly I want to remain in the industry, and to continue moving upward within it. Keep your head up and remember that regardless of how much traction you're making, the only way to better yourself is through constant effort and hustle.
Good Luck
You are going to be the guy that puts on 50 pounds over the next three years... be careful
Jerk off more, it helps alleviate the stress
Solid advice.
Especially coming from the guy who banged his coworker.
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I'm feeling the same, and I feel it is my last chance to get in IB through graduate program (not sure how likely it is) after unsuccessful attempts in the previous years for the summer internships, but feeling really tired this time
Feels as though recruiting is later this year in the UK, it's gonna drag on until November I bet.
Is that for graduate recruiting? That sucks, I don't have that much time before I'm doing another internship in October..
Hey man felt the same way for sure (non target student). Just got a BB summer offer yesterday and I'm telling you it'll all be worth it soon. The gratification from getting that phone call is completely worth it man keep grinding
Well done and best of luck. Non-target here too grinding away haha
You are feeling exhausted b/c of recruitment process. Wtf gonna happen when you hit the desk
If you think this is bad, wait until you get to buyside recruiting.
yeah.
The recruiting process doesn't really ever end in the modern day businessman. Get used to it.
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