Complaining
I really don't even think being a prospect matters. I fuuuuckin' hate all of the bitching and moaning as of late. If you hate your job, find a new one. Spare us your pity party and go do something about your misery. Or find a therapist. You made this choice. If you're unhappy with it then make moves and change it. This issue pertains to much more than a bad time in IB. Complaining is suuuch weak shit. Go fucking do something about it and then come back and tell us your success story. Also stfuuuuu about missing out on your youth. What the fuck did you miss? A crazy keg party with sloppy 20 something year olds stumbling around a yard? A crazy night in a bar where you did TWO WHOLE LINES off a bathroom sink?! Spare us the idiocy these posts entail.
Kudos to the people keeping their heads down and grinding it out.
Anticipating a whole lotta MS, but I think this had to be said.
Ok "Prospect" ....
From... "Prospect."
Thank you for this unique take
Just for that I'm gonna make a new post threatening to quit.
A sophomore in college that is getting through the filter because of diversity programs that handhold candidates the entire way is lecturing people actually in the industry about how they discuss their experience at a job. Amazing level of insight and self-awareness.
Just my feeling on complaining as a practice. Not pretending to understand the experiences of those in the industry.
You are so privileged and have such a lack of self-awareness that you dont seem to realize:
1. People use this site to vent.
2. Venting about your job is normal and healthy.
3. You not only have no clue what the the job is like, but you are already having a far easier path than most people that don’t get the uplift of bullshit diversity programs that coddle you like a 5 year old and make the recruiting process a joke. You are so unaware that you don’t realize how much help you are getting and you are only a sophomore.
At least work for a year as an analyst before criticizing others like this.
Increeeedibly easy to say as a prospect! "Kudos to the people keeping their heads down and grinding it out" almost sounds like you're trying to compare your Sunday night studies at the library to putting in 110 hour work weeks....
No not at all. Again, just my thoughts on general complaining. I, of course, have no idea what those in the industry experience. The post was rather aggressive in hindsight (3rd cup of espresso will do that), but it wasn't really meant to come at those who are unhappy -- was just the sentiment I have about complaints in general.
You sound miserable to work with from "Prospect"
I'm not so bad! A tad animated :)
While I agree with you that people who decided to do IB should have known what it was going to be like (and maybe shouldn't be complaining), I will say that misery loves company, and many of the type A personalities in IB are the same types who need positive reinforcement that working those hours is in fact, insane (and that they aren't the insane ones).
I don’t think one person currently in IB signed up for the current environment. I work at one of the sweatiest places on the street and people are still saying this is the worst they have ever seen it. Combined with zero morale because of WFH, it isn’t shocking to see more complaints than is typical.
I've only ever been on this site since WFH became commonplace so I guess that level of complaining is all I'm really accustomed to. Why does WFH kill the morale so significantly? I feel like being home more might have even been a positive change, if the issues in the past revolved around being too tied up in work to enjoy something as small as having some time at home. Forgive my ignorance
Yeah I hear that. The post was a bit much but I'm glad you seem to get the intention. All easier said than done, no question.
you sound like a fuckin nerd
totally
Lmao have some empathy. Life can be shitty for people, and they sometimes need to vent and complain, or in the current case let management know how bad things are. You've never experienced what they are complaining about, so really being a prospect does matter in the sense that your opinion is not supported by anything. You aren't in a position where you have to decide between just complaining and drudging forward or quitting your job for something else. This choice has never been available to you, therefore you are not one to say whether to quit or stay. And stop complaining about missing out on youth? Relationships with family and friends are super important. While it isn't getting fucked up at a club or whatever your analogy was, I didn't get to spend much time with my parents when they came down to NY to visit me a month or so before the quarantine, and yeah, it really bummed me out because I love them and value my relationships and time with those I care about.
You also have clearly not ever worked a blue collar or service industry job. I have worked in both, and they have made me an expert on complaining. I practically have a PhD in it. Complaining just sometimes helps people get through the day. Just getting some frustrations out on paper and maybe even some positive reinforcement on this site can help a lot. In the WFH environment, it is hard to do that in person like one normally would with friends and coworkers, and your post discourages that, which takes away another avenue for people to have that simple yet helpful release. You say see a therapist, and then talk about how they are working 100+ hours, blah blah blah. When would they have time for that? In your scenario, they wouldn't. Bitching on here is therapeutic for some people, stop trying to discourage it. That goes for you and the guy above who commented about how "maybe they shouldn't be complaining." Yeah, well maybe they should. People can know what something is "like" and it still doesn't prepare them for actually doing it. You train for the military, but getting shot at for the first time by some fanatic with an AK is probably a little shocking, I would imagine. This job is hard and it does deserve complaining. Being in a position where you make a lot of money does not make you exempt from any sympathy. Smh.
Yeah I guess you're right. Was feeling uncharacteristically belligerent earlier but after reflecting on the amount of MS and the responses, I suppose everyone is fortunate to have a place like WSO to come to where people understand the struggle and can empathize with how others feel. Came out of the gate swinging on the OP and have been debating deleting it because I'm not sure I want to be a source of negativity in a tough time for the industry but I think I'll keep it up -- given my status as a prospect I have a pretty malleable opinion (as you'll see if you read my responses throughout the thread), and the feedback has certainly given me a bit more understanding. Maybe the post can have a similar effect on others who share my sentiment. On another note, I have actually worked a number of blue collar/service jobs and I'm glad you reminded me of it. Cannot begin to articulate the amount of complaining I projected and looking back, it was oddly therapeutic. Have to admit I now feel intensely hypocritical, lol. Appreciate your response -- got me thinking.
In those service jobs, complaining is essentially a form of art lol. I'm not trying to come at you hard, but when you start working one of these jobs, its important to understand that its hard for a lot of people, and possibly yourself, and hearing people vent their frustrations through whatever outlet they choose can be helpful to them. No need to delete the post man, life is all about seeing differing viewpoints and gradually seeing the bigger picture. I didn't throw MS because even though I called out the whole prospect thing and said that there was not much experience to support the opinion, you are still completely entitled to have it and share it.
OP you are clueless. It is easy to think you can handle IB but hard to really conceptualize what a 100 hour workweek is (I know I can't). It's like the first time you see a basketball player face to face, 6' 8" is a lot taller in person than on paper. And if you think people are complaining because they can't party, that really shows your maturity level and intellect. People are complaining because they can't get a good night's rest and they haven't been able to maintain relationships with their loved ones. That isn't a trivial complaint.
Read previous comment responses if you're at all interested in the perspective I've gained. But otherwise, thanks for the input.
glad you changed your opinion. takes a big person to admit they were wrong
Imagine the lack of self-awareness and privilege you have to have as a ~21 year-old to make this post. If there's one thing I appreciate WSO for, it's for content like this that keeps me grounded.
glad to be of service
The job will break you, no matter who you are. It's a matter of when, not if.
Dude what a lame approach to your early 20s. You place 0 value on having a social life? You’re going to be 30 with no friends, having missed out on your entire 20s while everyone else was having fun.
A social life is cool. I'm a unique case. I've been sober close to a year and went out on a daily basis for years without really giving much thought to my future or any kind of professional development. So now, I'm cool sacrificing social outings for work -- it wasn't something I ever really did prior. But again, unique case... Definitely not a common sentiment. This was a wild thread so take everything from my OP with a grain of salt.
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