IB is stupid
Let me preface this by saying I am currently an analyst at a boutique, and the combination of strong dealflow with not so bad hours makes it probably a better/more fun place to work at than 99% of the options people list on this sub (not trying to flex, this is just how I feel vs. stories I hear from friends that went into IB on more "traditional" routes and who complain about their life all the time).
Anyway, my point is: investment banking is stupid. Like, seriously. I just don't see the point. I was working late this past week and stopped to think: "I'm fucking reviewing powerpoint slide alignment for logos of companies that I barely know, with a ton of numbers that I thought I understood when I first did the model like 3 days ago, but that now have become a blur where nothing makes too much sense anymore. What the fuck am I doing with my 20's?"
Now I understand that some people love the thrill of IB, and I can definitely feel the excitement when a deal goes through, but to me the whole day to day is just "meh". I'm not shitting on long hours, or demanding clients. I'm shitting on the fact that doing relatively simple excel models and editing powerpoint slides for 15h a day is viewed as a "cool" career. Like, I get the money is attractive and all - and I am very fortunate to be in a position where I could afford a lower paying job if I were to switch - but still, does anybody really "enjoy" the day to day life of a banker? What's the point (other than making a ton of money)?
Anyway, feel free to shit on this or share your opinions or whatever. I gotta get back to editing these slides
lmao who cares just make money
No one likes formatting PowerPoint slides. It’s one of those things that has to be done and it sounds like you’re at the bottom of the totem pole.
As with most other careers, you have to pay your dues when you first start. It’s fine not to like the career, but the career should be judged based on the senior’s job, not your responsibilities as an analyst.
Your company is hired for the advice the seniors provide, not because an analyst can change colors on a slide really fast.
IMO this is more indicative of entry-level jobs in your 20s than IB. There aren't many truly "cool" jobs readily available out of college unless you want to be a founder or work early stage startup.
Absolutely. Most of my college friends aren't working in banking, and no matter the industry or prestige of the firm their day-to-day is pretty tedious. IB hours are the real differentiator and make the tedium less bearable than it would be otherwise.
Just out of curiosity, what do junior consultants do? Is it also just powerpoint all day or is it more intellectual than banking
Just came here to say that the grass definitely isn't greener as a Y1 - Y2 Analyst in MC. The work isnt more strategic or exciting, and when you first start out in just about any field your value add is near zero. The only exceptions I can think of are junior quant traders and engineers.
I’m under the impression that IB doesn’t get “fun” (as much as it could be) until the VP level.
intern here just converted feel the same way lol
OP here - Maybe the post just seemed a bit like bitching about doing boring work, which I get is something that will happen in almost any career path. But my thinking is more that even seeing the higher ups doing stuff, I don't really see the interesting/fun part of it for much of what they do. That is to say: I guess the IB life ins't really for me, but not because of the "has to work long hours" aspect of it. I just don't see much interesting stuff in general. But feel free to give your thoughts, I'm genuinly very interested to know
Yea but personally I just don't see most other jobs out there as interesting either.
If you're hinting at consulting or something I'm sure there also bs in those jobs that maybe you haven't realized yet. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I like to refer to myself as an overpaid, shitty graphic designer.
It seems like people who want to get into IB should have some graphic design experience at this rate
It's just the money man. I'm nonchalant about the work, but at age 23 I understand myself well enough to know that I'd feel the same towards other mainstream careers, and unfortunately I don't have the risk appetite for other non-mainstream stuff
The cool jobs come when you're done with your banking career (or if you stay and ascend to MD and beyond).
You think other prestigious jobs such as working as a doctor or lawyer are that glamorous at the entry level?
Gotta prove your ability as a grunt before boomers hand you the keys to their kingdom.
you can always become a salesman. Selling bananas or video games
Look, if you approach IB from an intellectual perspective then yes you're right, it's not a scintillating job half that time if you consider that most of your time will likely be spent updating PPTs or spreadsheets. However, I will say that if you are working on live deals, you really have a unique opportunity to take a step back every now and then and take in or learn what you're actually doing while grasping the magnitude of being involved in a potentially landscape shifting merger or even just a simple sell-side to a PE firm if you're MM. Make the most of it if you're not too jaded yet because speaking to good banking experience is generally very valuable
I think you’ll find most entry level jobs will be tedious and “stupid”, but very few will pay you outsized amounts in your 20s.
Having said that, I get the hours are substantially rougher but that’s trade off with the comp
My MD used to describe the analyst role as being a process bitch
You should try Big 4 audit or tax, it will blow your mind
lol
Life could be worst bro, you could be one of those kids selling insurance at Northwestern.
Dear God I can't imagine unironically selling life insurance
no u
Every job has menial tasks and things that you won't find interesting. Unless your family has fuck you money, get used to doing some boring work here and there.
You're an analyst and, as such, you will be often doing the tasks that nobody else wants to do and you will be pay a large sum of money to do it. As you progress within a bank, those tasks begin to get offloaded on individuals below you and you begin to focus on the actually interesting parts of the job. The Associate role isn't perfect but it's more intellectually interesting than being an Analyst. As a VP now, I actually enjoy a fair amount of the day-to-day work that I do (not all of it, but a lot more of it). You would run into the same issue of boring work at nearly every entry-level job, but banking requires you to work more hours, pays you a ton more and provides you with a much better future career trajectory.
Bump
I agree with you, but you are severely discounting the value of picking apart different companies, diving into different industries, learning how companies operate, etc. IB is a fantastic entry-level opportunity for learning through osmosis as well as the hands-on analyses.
That's the thing with a ton of "prestigious" jobs - you start at the bottom, doing the absolute grunt work to prove yourself. Then, with time, you get more responsibility.
At least with Finance, Management Consulting, Tech, Law, etc. you get paid a decent amount of money for your work, and have a much faster career growth (potential).
Wanna know what's scary? A lot of the average cookie cutter jobs out there have started with the same model. I know retail banks that are hiring people with masters degrees in Finance / Econ / Business / etc., and making them work as bank greeters / receptionists, help desk / support workers, and what not for the first year. Then they promote them internally for more legit jobs, but they still have to pay their dues and work those shit jobs. And if they want to rise the ranks, well, buckle up - it's gonna be a long ride.
You might ask yourself, why would anyone do that? Well, tough shit, when there are like 200 applicants for each job, it's buyers market.
So yeah, while grunt work sucks and the hours are bad, at least it's a very accelerated program. At least you're not that poor guy with $80k in student debt, making $35k/year on taking calls from angry Karens.
Your first 10 years out of school are learning and paying your dues. Once you get over that fact, it's all good.
Here are what other ~22-24 year olds are doing:
(1) Big 4 audit - for 5 months you work banking hours, and the rest of it you work 50-60 hours. Your pay is 70K plus a small bonus, and mind you, your work is mind-numbing to its essential core. Oh, and the CPA exams aren't fun either.
(2) 1st-3rd year law associate (M&A) - document review champion. 80 hour works turning comments on far more complicated and dry merger agreements, credit agreements, and other 200-page amalgamations of Westlaw/Firm templates that you've had your partner red-ink 15 times to ensure that the and/or agreements are consistent in each painstaking sub-heading.
(3) 1st-3rd year management consultant - You make slides. Do you think your CIMs are pretty compared to these 75 page decks updated bi-weekly? Absolutely not. You make operational process slides, data analysis slides, and deal update slides like it's your life's work for 70 hours a week. Oh, and you want to get ahead? Good. Carve out an extra 10 hours a week to work on a partner's white paper, pitch, recruiting event, think-pieces, or even firm culture assessments. You manage big data through alteryx and produce data outflow and charts through tableau like the human CPU that you are. You used to enjoy the $75-$100 per diem, hotel and flight points, and even skirting from the client site a 4PM Thursday to "catch your flight"/booze in the sky lounge. It was enough to compensate for the relatively lower pay to Finance, but now - you work remote and do everything slower via an overworked VPN.
(4) You have a normal entry-level job: Unless you're an engineer of some type, go to work for a family business, or are pursuing a career in medicine - welcome to your new life: A millennial version of the comedy/horror film, "office space." Your Linkedin bio says, "account executive," but what you really do is spend time on the phone all day soliciting small-businesses to get or keep your business. You may sling freight. You may sell advertising. You may even be an analyst of some sort that dives into the P&L every once in a while - but you are now one in the number of a large corporate machine that will pay you $45K for your 40 hours a week. You are bored, and above all you know you're expendable.
The moral of the story is this: Be grateful.
Investment Banking definitely has its fair share of flaws, but other high-profile jobs come with the same bag of crap. Same bad boss, some bad hours, and some battle scars that will eventually turn into laughs as you drink beers with your fellow analyst-turned-senior bankers/clients in 15 years.
In banking, you're going to leave with:
(1) a network of great contacts, from your analyst class to the folks working above you, to your clients
(2) a new group of friends. Banking isn't consulting - there's very much a "type." Chances are, if you make it through the gauntlet to get there, you'll find yourself in a fraternity of guys and girls who are smart, fun to be around, well-spoken, and have the rare ability to balance partying and work. These guys will rank as high as your college friends after 24 months.
(3) Validated: I don't believe every Harvard grad is a genius, and I don't believe every investment banker is a captain-of-industry in the making. However, the general consensus is that they are, and so with opinion comes reality. If you've gotten to the point where you are an IB analyst, you will move to the front of every resume pile in the stack from here on out. If you're looking to lateral, current bankers go to the front (versus someone in Corp Dev/consulting). If you're looking to get out, former bankers get to the front of the stack for every Corp. Dev gig. Recruiters are helpful, but a lot of them are lazy. They don't have time to vet a ton of people. They want self-vetted. 2 years as a banking analyst is all they need to know to pass you through the first stage - because the banks have already done the screening for them.
(4) Money: Fun fact - If you make $120K you are in the top-5% of earners, in the wealthiest country in the world. It may not feel like it in NYC, but you are. At 22, that's not a bad place to be.
Get back to work, have a sense of humor, go drink (heavily) with your analyst class, and try to be subtle about what your career is as you swipe right. You'll look back fondly after a while.
+SB, very well said.
I think the problem is we don’t have that right now. WFH has taken the best from banking and magnified the worst.
Great post bro
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