I know this will get hate, but is Wharton not very good anymore?
placements on a per capita basis actually aren’t that good anymore and a lot of the prestigious Wharton only opportunities (Silver Point, SL) don’t even exist anymore.
im plugged into the pitch competition scene and there is very little Wharton representation at top competitions, and when there is they are ass.
no hate here but thought the student body would be stronger.
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Don’t think this is a Wharton issue per se but the industry has just gotten more competitive with less spots.
per capita will always be more important than total placement for this reason. LACS/Washu type schools with so few people recruiting do well.
Crazy you throw in WashU with top LAC opportunities / per capita placement
Too obvious lol?
Bro tried to sneak in WashU 💀
Let’s be real now, only W/A are better than Washu. And midd is on par or worse.
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Ivy leagues are dead long live state schools
To be clear, I’m not advocating for state schools. Why go and have a lottery chance of breaking in?
im discussing W vs other HYPSM or other targets.
Are you oblivious to the current job market?
has nothing to do with W having bad talent
Would love to know where you went to school… a lot of W talent is still top tier and getting top jobs
No one cares about old money elitism like they used to. My guess is the millennials are starting to take the boomers jobs. I have no opinion about this, but you can objectively say that many northeast elitist schools suffered massive PR blunders from their handling of protests with a lot of employers promising to limit or flat out end recruiting. Plus who wants to live in Philly?
Every school in the country has handled these protests horribly; look up what’s happened at Rutgers, SUNY’s/CUNY’s, Rochester, etc. Not an Ivy/T25 only problem.
They all went to consulting.
Nice meme
Many great opportunities exist outside of MF PE, Top HFs, BB, and EBs. I feel like people are too focused on the tippy top firms. MM IB or other smaller boutiques are great places to start a career. Wharton students have already had a huge boost in opportunities and brand name compared to other schools.
Super washed
Here come the liberals downplaying their devil's alma mater
A lot of non-targets on this thread lmao. Just be better bro no need to hate or be insecure 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t really think pitch competitions matter at all…
they’re useful for people gunning for tier 1 roles or networking, and just good modelling experience and smth to put on the resume if it ends up being good.
I can't opine on Wharton being washed or not, but I suspect it is not. Instead, because Wharton is so strong, its students have infinite options to choose from and can get the best jobs out of UG in many / most fields.
The hardest of hardoes at smaller, lesser-known schools will fight to present at the competition that the Wharton students see as a regular Tuesday.
Finally, and this is more a criticism of the tertiary education system in the US which caters to high finance, but I think students are having to deal with so much stress, so young, that once they get into these prestigious schools they let off the brakes thinking they've made it, when they still have so much time ahead of them in which they need to grind to "make it".
So, they might get caught in the trap of getting a bit "lazy" whereas the non-target knows he has a fire under his ass at all times.
the argument comes from comparing W vs. other HYPSM, not state schools—you should go to trade school in this case.
this is stupid as hell, wharton is still probably a top 2 place to go. its just everything has gotten so much more competitive because more exposure.
absolutely not. No one in Wharton cares about these case competitions (very few hardos in some clubs do). It is the state school kids that are truly passionate about these comps and they find it a way to boost their ego and overcompensate their insecurities regarding people who go to elite schools. Anecdotally, I saw this in my internship: The state school kids talked about their extremely lame/boring case competition stories all the time and the HYPWS kids were just amazed by how much they care about some stupid/meaningless competitions.
- "Averages" matter. Avg Wharton/Ivy League alum is a hundred times more successful than the avg state school's alum.
- Elite universities are a filter for IQ. Whether you like it or not, Penn kids are on average smarter than 99% of college graduates in the U.S.
- Merit and IQ differs widely among the Penn/Stanford/IvyLeague population. The top 5% of Penn/IvyLeague kids are still gonna be the most influential people in the world in 50 years. That is a fact rn (look at Trump and Elon) and imo will be true in the future as well. There are going to be new institutions that are going to be IQ filters (look at Y Combinator and the other elite startup schools, Thiel Fellowship, etc)
- Look at the CEOs, boards, officers, investors, and founders of the F500 companies. Wharton and Ivy Leagues are everywhere and significantly outnumber any other trait/group.
Interested in hearing your counterarguments.
buddy I go to an HYP. W gets cleaned up at the top tier competitions.
What top tier competitions are you even talking about lol? Wharton alum here, people I know in our GPS chapter won a good amount of case competitions
Because they don’t give a shit about those competitive because they don’t have to. Wharton brands open doors. They don’t have to act like hardos for a fucking desk job like state school kids do.
YC is not an IQ filter lmaooo half the stuff that goes through there is a useless SaaS or shitty social media app. Just checked the s24 batch and there is some shit called "OrgOrg" not to mention 93% of them fail. There is still innovative stuff going on in SV but it is no longer a bastion of genius and risk taking, just a bunch of sweaty coders wanking it to buzzwords that are almost as cringey as the ones consultants use.
Edit: and have to say, yes the smartest of the smart are gonna collect at certain schools in certain majors, but there are loads of schools with comparable sat medians to the ivies. The reason ivy students do better isn't because they are that much smarter on average, they just grind a lot harder. And once you get into an ivy, it is a self reinforcing cycle with your next job, etc.
> "Elite universities are a filter for IQ. Whether you like it or not, Penn kids are on average smarter than 99% of college graduates in the U.S."
Worst point you made on here, though the other points are relatively agreeable. It's SAT scores and GPA. Any schmuck whose parents paid $3000 to Princeton Review SAT tutoring can score a 1500. It's not particularly hard to have a high GPA in high school if you're motivated in high school and know how to study at that age, and live in the right zip code with an elite $50k/yr private school tuition.
This is a huge appeal to ignorance fallacy. You're implying that because every "high-IQ" student goes to HYPW there cannot be smart students who don't go to those schools specifically. The smartest kids in my An1 class went to WashU, Georgetown, and Villanova respectively.
Don't discount the hundreds of kids who go to state schools every year for free because it makes more financial sense to them than going $300k+ in debt attending an Ivy. These sorts of kids don't feel insecure in themselves and don't feel the need to have an Ivy title to validate their intelligence. I'm far more impressed with people who are confident they can be successful purely on merit and opt in for the former.
To your point, HYPW are most certainly **on average** smarter than your average college student. However, to imply it's a filter for IQ is a stone age argument!
If you don't believe that on average Stanford/Yale/Princeton/Harvard/Penn kids have at least an IQ of one SD above Villanove/WashU kids, you are not a serious person.
I always saw pitch competitions as a way for non-target kids to do something that might get them noticed; if you have a good GPA, decent experiences, and aren’t completely socially clueless, you can land offers from anywhere out of HYPSW.
I’ve seen Wharton kids not know how to legit write a check. I’ve also seen several Harvard kids not know how to change a tire. Just because you know Excel doesn’t mean you’re smart lol.
And state school kids are better? hahahahah
90% of state school people I know can change a tire
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