Are a lot of people on this website on the spectrum?

Not a troll or shade post, I am genuinely curious. I lurked WSO a lot in university when I was trying to navigate IB recruiting, and I found a lot of helpful threads on how to prepare, different value props for different shops, and overall just getting a grasp of firms. This site 100% was a major contributing factor to being able to attain my EB FT offer and my UMM/MF Growth PE exit.

But when it came to discussing living life, it seems like things got a little.... awry? There's sooooo many threads that glorify/push anti-social behaviour like never going out or spending money on things and compulsive saving to the point that you might as well not be making $150k+ at the fun ass age of 22. And then I've seen people talking about how you can't even look in the direction of a female colleague "because of that #MeToo stuff." Or freaking out about how people listing their pronouns is ruining the financial industry somehow. I'm definitely far from a lib, so seeing this stuff all over WSO didn't dissuade me at all from the industry, but I did find it strange that our industry that focuses on soft/people skills would have a bunch of lads who hate society. Especially because I went to a target with a ton of representation on the street, and no one in the finance community seemed to act like this.

Then I started working and I realized most people in finance are not like this at all. So is there something different about y'all who use this website? One of my majors was psych/neurosci and it seems consistent with what I've learned about ASD.

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Jan 16, 2022 - 9:32pm
iercurenc, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Then I started working and I realized most people in finance are not like this at all

Of course no one is like this in public. Online, we can speak our minds/troll with no risk of being ostracized.

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Jan 16, 2022 - 10:49pm
jackdongalass921, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Nah, I was openly racist and supported eugenics at my old PE shop (not going to name which one, but an elite one without DEI initiatives and full of trust fund kids from WYD/Oxbridge) and in private with other public servants I associate with in my current career. Obviously I'm not as outspoken against minorities now because I depend on people to vote for me.

Jan 17, 2022 - 7:42pm
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

This 100%.

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Jan 25, 2022 - 9:45am
Sequoia, what's your opinion? Comment below:

100% lol

To OP, there are a ton of people millennial-aged in the office that you would never know harbor opinions that the alt left rails against. We just don't say it in that setting because of the career downside risk where an alt left person can skew your words & paint you out to be the demon for just having a functioning brain capable of critical thought. 

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Jan 16, 2022 - 9:35pm
jackdongalass921, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I'm not on the spectrum and I post pretty controversial/polarizing content on here to promote different schools of thought or trying to bring awareness to my political agenda. 
 

I think the "hurr durr how do I make friends" or "why don't any girls flirt with me except that bottom bucket sa trying to get a ft offer" are from genuine 4chan neckbeards like Randy Marsh, T30Alumnus and the other incels/black supremacists.

Jan 17, 2022 - 7:03pm
johnny-mnemonic, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Could be that the normal prospects just ask the upperclassmen at their schools for advice while the less socially apt kids have to use online resources. WSO is full of some great advice and some blatant misinformation. People are probably better off talking to people who got into IB from the most comparable position to their own. I didn't join WSO until after I was done recruiting and have found the main benefit is hearing what other people in finance think. WSO has a highly specific user base compared to reddit or twitter.

Jan 17, 2022 - 7:59pm
capex fairy, what's your opinion? Comment below:

IMO there's a ton of people on the spectrum in IB who just don't know it because their perception of "on the spectrum" is the special needs kid in high school who jerked off in front of the entire class, and not a minor case of a combo of being socially awkward and intensely focused on a few key interests. 

The sheer grind and focus it takes to break into IB makes it have a higher % of autistic people than the total population.

Jan 18, 2022 - 9:29am
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Agree with half your post....definitely on all the weird stuff about not being able to get a date...

However, on the other subjects, yes, some people reject the need to blow their money on dumb materialistic things at a young age. I realize that's what most of society wants you to do. Some people have a different point of view. Nothing wrong there. Personally, I find the conversations about buying $10,000 watches as a 1st year analyst to be much more puzzling and frankly sad.

On the pronouns, I don't really care what trans people do. But do you not find the direction our society is going a bit strange and frightening? We have male trans athletes breaking all the records in women's sport. We have people demanding that they be called xer/xir at job interviews based on little to no science. Maybe, this shouldn't be your primary issue to get riled up about, but if you don't see this approach to make people accept things which we all know are not true (biological males competing against biological females in sport for example) you are asleep at the wheel and your target degree is worth the paper that it is written on.

Jan 18, 2022 - 12:03pm
FlyingRunningJumping, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I mean, I was a pretty frugal analyst (roommate in a pretty small 2bdrm, cheap booze or food if it wasn't expensed or a special occasion, staying at pretty mediocre hotels for personal trips), but what I've seen on WSO shocked me because some of the shit people were doing seemed like it genuinely led to a kinda shitty living condition. Like I can understand not wanting to shell $5k on a nice 1 bedroom, but do you really want to live in a 250sqft box as an associate just so you can save for the future? Surely there's a middle ground.

As for pronouns, you raise great points (although I think the xer/xir thing is 100000x rarer than what the internet would have us believe), but someone putting "she/her/hers" isn't the affront to society that you think it is.

Jan 18, 2022 - 3:42pm
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Yeah gotya. My point on the living standard is that it's a debatable item. Good reason to take either side of the argument or be somewhere in between. It doesn't make you autistic for being more frugal or less materialistc,

Well, the problem with the she/her/hers stuff is that it's all about pushing political views of correctness on people (note not scientific views and it's not even being "respectful" as some claim given as you point out it is 100000x rarer in real life) and that is what's bothersome about it and why it doesn't belong on a resume. 

I thought about this scenario the other day. Suppose you see a resume on your desk for a "Sam Smith".  You invite the candidate for an interview and realize that it's a girl named Sam rather than guy.  Or suppose it is a guy.  So what? Or what if the person is qualified and they show up and they are trans.  What does that change? Why does your interviewer possibly need to know your sex or gender ahead of time to make their decision .

Another thought exercise. If you were a trans person, would you put something like Xer/Xir on your resume? I absolutely would not! Trans people do face real discrimination - why would I knowingly run the risk of dinging myself. I would just apply as Sam Smith, get called in for the interview, and then show the interviewer that I'm a normal person and the best candidate for the job. So yes, I think putting she/her/hers is a stupid affront to society that serves no one....not even trans people!

Jan 18, 2022 - 11:39pm
Tracer85, what's your opinion? Comment below:

This

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Jan 19, 2022 - 9:37pm
Sinner G, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Yeah I agree with this, I commented gently above questioning it, but I think that is a bit of a rude, inaccurate stereotype. ASD people in my experience are likely to socially isolate, but not so much to take on the woman-hating vibe. It's more of a retreat into oneself for safety, not angrily lashing out out of envy

Jan 18, 2022 - 1:34pm
financeabc, what's your opinion? Comment below:

People gripe on all sorts of forums but I do not think this means there are more people on the spectrum here.  Some people, not all, are just taking advantage of having an anon username.  Most of these people would never say this stuff in real life.  If they did say some of these things in real life, they would damage their personal relationships and or be out of a job.     

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Jan 18, 2022 - 5:52pm
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Gotta say FlyingRunningJumping almost has a point with this very post on how it has devolved into another pronoun battle. However, I think there is a sort of cause and effect going on here.

It's as if half your office tomorrow showed up wearing a dildo on their forehead in support of unicorn rights. You point out to them the obvious fact that wearing a dildo on your forehead is kind of a dumb thing to do to support unicorns. They scream back, 'Why do you care? Is it bothering you? Do you hate unicorns?"

And guess what? No, it doesn't bother me. I don't care about unicorns or what they do, but now that you are attacking me for simple stating reality....you know... now I suddenly care about your stupid bullshit, even if I still don't care about the unicorns. 

Jan 18, 2022 - 6:13pm
financeabc, what's your opinion? Comment below:
NoEquityResearch

Gotta say FlyingRunningJumping almost has a point with this very post on how it has devolved into another pronoun battle. However, I think there is a sort of cause and effect going on here.

It's as if half your office tomorrow showed up wearing a dildo on their forehead in support of unicorn rights. You point out to them the obvious fact that wearing a dildo on your forehead is kind of a dumb thing to do to support unicorns. They scream back, 'Why do you care? Is it bothering you? Do you hate unicorns?"

And guess what? No, it doesn't bother me. I don't care about unicorns or what they do, but now that you are attacking me for simple stating reality....you know... now I suddenly care about your stupid bullshit, even if I still don't care about the unicorns. 

I do not have a horse in this pronoun race.  Do you think people should use pronouns like it and they on linkedin and resumes?  

Jan 18, 2022 - 6:30pm
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I don't have a horse in this race either....sort of. That's what's funny here. 

This isn't about trans people at all. These arguments are a battle between virtue signalers versus people who value truth/reality

Jan 18, 2022 - 7:59pm
First_Year_15, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Three factors:

1) People are a lot more unfiltered on the internet. Chances are, there are folks in your office thinking some of the stuff you see vocalized on here, but you'd never be able to guess who. 

2) If you're a bit obsessive, you're more likely to post here. If you don't have many friends, connections, ability to connect with in-the-know upperclassmen, etc., you're more likely to post here. If you're just an internet fiend in general, you're more likely to post here. Not necessarily ASD, but there is definitely a subset of highly complementary personality traits that pushes users here.

3) This site has a much more non-target slant than Wall Street as a whole - hence, kids are much more fixated on the "grind," etc. than is your average 1st-year at a BB/EB. And maybe there's something to be said about the average polish of non-targets vs. targets that causes further attitudinal differentiation. 

Jan 18, 2022 - 8:12pm
financeabc, what's your opinion? Comment below:
First_Year_15

Three factors:

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3) This site has a much more non-target slant than Wall Street as a whole - hence, kids are much more fixated on the "grind," etc. than is your average 1st-year at a BB/EB. And maybe there's something to be said about the average polish of non-targets vs. targets that causes further attitudinal differentiation. 

You must have a very narrow view of Wall Street.  This site probably has a far higher percentage of target people than does Wall Street.  To a substantial extent, this site represents the elite or wannabe elite of Wall Street

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Jan 18, 2022 - 8:36pm
Anonymous Monkey, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Most people who have a conservative/non-liberal opinion on social issues aren't going to show it in real life due to the backlash they would get in the USA. Unless I am talking to my absolutely closest friends, I would never show my real opinions in public (unless I 100% know the person I am talking to shares the same mindset as me). Even when I talk to people who share a similar mindset, I rarely go into full depth of what I think because it's too risky. Also, people on the internet in any space are going to be much more vocal and polarizing since it's the internet where you are anonymous and fierce since you have nothing physically in front of you. I mean just go to reddit and you'll see how far left politics are the norm on basically every sub. WSO is somewhat of an escape from the reddit space. 

With that being said, I think most finance guys are conservative or at least not with the whole woke, far left agenda. Mostly libertarian if I had to guess. As someone who represents what you're trying to call out, I see it as more of a mentally tough/masculine personality. Kind of like the old blue collar guys who are tough as nails and aren't putting up with social values that are weird or different or ie locker room talk. 

I think what's happening is like the saying that "todays conservatives are yesterdays liberals". I think you have a lot of "old" conservative mindsets (which is what you're talking about) versus the "new" conservatives and liberals who accept most of these left leaning social ideas. I think OP is someone who is clearly in the modern American mindset of accepting certain things, but not everyone in America is willing to move forward with these ideas (or at least I'm not). However, that doesn't make me on the spectrum. 

Jan 18, 2022 - 9:44pm
financeabc, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I find it hard to believe that conservatives are too afraid to speak their minds. At my job, the only people who share their political views are the conservative old white men. 

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Jan 18, 2022 - 9:51pm
Anonymous Monkey, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Maybe the ones who have an ultra stable position and have no fear of losing their job will be vocal. However, as a younger person it's basically career suicide to talk about openly conservative ideas on social media or in person. You will be called out as racist, homophobic, and all the other ism's, ist's etc. It's better to just keep to yourself if you want to have a career as a younger professional

Jan 19, 2022 - 8:59pm
Sequoia, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Honestly please STFU financeabc. You're an alt left shill for AOC who can come out and say whatever you want because that's the louder voice & the media is on your side. Google / FB / IG / TikTok / Twitter / etc all have a strong liberal bias so those voices are artificially empowered & have a megaphone up to them (whereas many conservative posts are taken down & those people are de-platformed) -- moreover those internet companies also enable those with the megaphones (alt left) to cancel those on the right.

I can tell for a fact that 5yrs ago I was socially liberal and economically held a mixed liberal / conservative set of viewpoints. But the absurd levels of repression for conservative voices in the past 5yrs have pushed me further to the right to the point where I'm honestly slightly right of center on a blended basis (social + economic policies).

Had a conversation with a buddy recently where he was brave enough to test the waters & hint that he wasn't happy with the 'they/them' thing. But damn did he say it so carefully and only after I agreed that it was an issue did we get to talking -- only about 30min into this conversation was he comfortable enough to fully lay out his thoughts (at least I think so, there may have been stronger views he held that he didn't want to share even then). None of it was malicious or hateful, and yet he didn't even know if he could share them? I can sympathize on this because that's exactly how I've felt on many occasions. Anyone can say 'Yaaas Kween, you're definitely a they/them' but I can't even question its negative impact on society? It's absurdly messed up. Don't know why I'm bothering to explain this to an alt left lemming as you've literally blocked off the ability to tolerate alternate viewpoints 

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Jan 22, 2022 - 5:46pm
Anonymous Monkey, what's your opinion? Comment below:

"Mostly libertarian if I had to guess"

That's strange.  The entire post is crying about social issues.  I thought libertarians were supposed to want the government out of their business.  Or are you one of those libertarians who is ultra paranoid about the government taking their guns but also wants big daddy government to go after gays?

Jan 19, 2022 - 1:36am
Teller in Branch - Personal Loans, what's your opinion? Comment below:

WSO is a huge bar where you can hang out with folks all over the world - and the cannon can get loose. Many people here come here a few drinks in with less filter than at work. Some solid advice, some trolling, shit ton of flexing. Just another side of this great finance community.

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Jan 19, 2022 - 2:04pm
Isaiah_53_5 💎🙌💎🙌💎, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I am not on the spectrum, but deal with a severe mental illness. Most people don't notice it and many of my closest friends have no idea.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Jan 19, 2022 - 3:25pm
ConfusedGuru, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What am I supposed to do if I make 150k+ as a 22 year old? Like genuinely curious, what should I spend it on?? That's not enough money to make any big ticket purchases, and if you are in your early 20s, you should probably be saving aggressively because you don't know how long your career will be and how long you'll have energy to grind for, or if the entire economy is going to collapse soon. Not to mention that time is money; investing early will pay huge dividends later. It's always the people straddled with debt or those who make a low income that talk big about spending money.

Jan 21, 2022 - 11:05pm
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

 That's not enough money to make any big ticket purchases,

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