Just as the title says, your experiences / opinions on the best city for average or slightly below average-looking young (20-30) males for dating (IRL or online / apps). Would be good to have one for the U.S. and non-U.S.
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NYC hands down
NYC is the worst place for an average guy. The city is superficial as heck.
Dating is purely a numbers game. NYC is the most “liquid” dating market for 20-somethings in America. You are within 6 miles of hundreds of thousands of single women in their 20s, many of whom are new to the city and open to meeting people outside of their circle. That’s it.
NYC has the most people. That's what you need as an average guy. LOTS OF WOMEN.
Same goes for Los Angeles.
SF/ Bay area
Pls seek help
This is the only wrong answer. SF is the only city in the US where single, educated young men outnumber the women
NYC and London are very superficial cities (that’s just how it is, don’t blame anyone). I’d argue that these cities skew positive for average girls. It’s hot girl + rich guy or hot girl + hot guy. Then average girl + above avg guy money/looks wise. Finally below average girl with average guy. Obviously all of this is meaningless and bullshit when you find the one.
Shit bro this is blackpilling as fuck. Motivates me further to become rich
London is not even remotely close to NYC in terms of talent and the depth of said talent. NYC is incomparably better and I've spent years in both. A London 9 is an NYC 7. And those London 9s all tend to be gold diggers / status chasers who are going after trust funds guys or interesting artist types and will have minimal interest in a finance guy working 70-90 hours a week. The types of girls who would be needles in a haystack in London, you can have in NYC as a run of the mill finance guy who at least is in decent shape, dresses well and has some semblance of a personality.
Have lived in both. Don't disagree. I'm a normal finance guy and have way better luck in NYC with hotter, more interesting girls. It's dumb but sometimes you just know when a girl is on a date with you for the potential cash which sucks but whatever. Spot on though - so many more superficial artsy fashion girls in London over NYC. They're everywhere..
I'm going to get monkey shit for saying this, but no such place exists IMO. Men have to compete and be well above average in all aspects or exceptional in one or more areas to date high quality women - end of story. Call it "unfair" or whatever, but it's the reality, especially in today's world with the advent of technology. If you're below average-looking, you're better off spending the time you're wasting investigating "dating arbitrage" into hitting the gym and making the most of your appearance IM. It's true that genetics play a factor in how attractive someone can reasonably be (i.e. I can't bulk to 6 feet tall), but I think most people can at least be average looking, barring some abnormality, if they put in work and are consistent with it. If you actually do try to maximize your appearance, but you're still not aesthetically pleasing, spend the time then building a social circle and/or your personality then. Most of the best dates I've gotten are through social circles or other in-person interactions (read, not online).
It's true that certain big cities (i.e. Chicago/NYC) will have more young, single women, which does help a bit. The problem is, if you're below average, you're probably not going to be dating the ones you want to because the ones with options (hell even the ones who are average) will still gravitate toward the high value guys. There's also going to be a higher number of high value dudes in those cities anyway, so it ends up being a wash anyway.
Work on yourself to be the best you can be, understand and be comfortable with your limits, and stop worrying about what you can't control.
Miami/South Florida. Twice as many college educated women to college educated men.
If Latina is your type Miami hands down and no other city comes remotely close.
If it's not, well then...
I have a couple of average and below average looking friends who seem to make it work. what I've noticed anecdotally
1. body. you can't control your bone structure, but you can control what you do in the gym. low body fat, nice shoulders, arms, legs, glutes
2. jaw. don't be a mouth breather, idk if mewing actually works but one definite way to combat a weak jawline is to never have your mouth open unless you're speaking, eating, drinking, or practicing cunnilingus since you've read my tips. try mewing if you want, I don't give a fuck, I think the practice is good even if it leads to no lasting change (keeping mouth shut, nose breathing, not allowing jaw to fall)
3. clothes. make sure they fit and are a nice mix of fashionable so that your dad wouldn't wear them but not so fashion forward that they'll be out of style in 5 years.
4. be a great conversationalist, have a treasure trove of topics, jokes, activities you can go to when needed
5. persistence and lack of giving a fuck if you get rejected, because this will happen
here's the thing, literally none of the things above are specifics for below average looking guys, because while I don't expect you'll ever bag emily ratajkowski (and nor will I), if you're a soft 5 but have a 8-10 personality + a good body, you will have NO issues, trust me on that.
I've had mediocre looking friends have success in madrid, rome, new york, boston, chicago, houston, charlotte, san diego, and san francisco, it works everywhere. they usually have better experiences than the super prettyboy guys I'm thinking of who might have biceps but after about 5 minutes of conversation you're daydreaming about food poisoning which was a better experience than the date you're on
Bottom line is how do you make a woman feel? Make her feel great you do not need to ask her out, she would be the one asking the guy out. So, personal hygiene is important, having that go getter mindset, paying attention when she speaks or does not all add up for her. Attracting women is not as difficult as some men make out, attracting the right one is where the focus should be.
Every city in the US besides SF has more men than women, especially when adjusting for highly educated men.
It's probably the easiest time to get laid in history and incels still exist.... lmao!
Biggest virgin on the site all up in the dating thread handing out advice. Thanks for the laugh
Facts don't care about your feelings :)
In a place like NYC you have to adjust for politics. I can hold a good discussion with a moderate liberal (I myself am probably fiscally moderate compared to many on this site), but AOC/feminist types are irreconcilable. I mean the only reason Adams even won is because the outer borough working class pulled through for him in the primaries. Manhattan is full of far left limousine liberals...
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