Any else watch the premiere yet? It's streaming online.
What's everyone's trip reports?
I thought it was a little light plot wise, but that's to be expected for a season opener that's meant to set things up for what's next in typical Sorkin style. My fear is the politics of ESG has worked itself into the show and of course there's no Axe left to destroy it (just Wags). Basically I'm worried the show gets struck by "go woke, go broke". But...it is Billions, so we could just as easily see ESG get thrown through a shredder. Or it's not even there at all and I'm overthinking things.
They rapidly began losing interest when they started making Taylor a central character who was butting up against Russian oligarchs. Completely ruined my ability to suspend disbelief that some nOn-BiNaRy autistic chick is going toe-to-toe with folks who represent the (fictional) top of the hedge fund world. It had a good run, but everything woke turns to shit for good reason. They lost the sauce that made the first few seasons fun a while ago in my opinion.
big agree. Around that time they made the show very formulaic, especially with Chuck's character being overly petty and they would all just stab each other in the back in a legal/financial/bureaucratic circlejerk. It was interesting the first few times around but then never progressed imo
Kind of like how Silicon Valley was an interesting show for the first couple of seasons then simply ran out of novel ideas so instead the only joy came from watching TJ Miller's real world douchiness get him written out of the show.
Peter Thiel spinning in his grave so fast right now
Taylor's a woman, she should accept that. Can't have your cake and eat it too (switch between male & female as if that's naturally biologically possible for a human)
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Good to hear people say the show is ass. It got too tropey and boring just like suits who spout off random shit in a 'dramatic voice' and suddenly there's some great rivalry.I liked suits more even though it was dramatic and all it wasn't unwatchable. Tbh billions overdoes it in a bad way and I can't stand it. I tried to make this Taylor character work, but I HATE when characters are "given" godlike status without earning it because they "are just special".Main characters sometimes can work if they're like that but they have to EARN your respect and it should be like they need to convince and earn your own loyalty if you had to work for them. That's why even superhero's have a backstory, so if shitty Marvel movies can put that minimum effort in it's inexcusable that these guys didn't. They wanted Taylor to be some BSD but didn't put any effort in the character development. Lazy woke writers. Sorkin is not that good and I don't like how if you've watched other good shows you can see shit straight up copy pasted, like that orlatan songbird eating thing.It's all fake hype for the sake of hype, like "ballers" is except ballers actually has hot women. Would rather watch some reality tv show ON MUTE, with hot women, than this which is saying a lot.
amen
Given "godlike status" == modern day affirmative action. Happens all the time with people getting 10x what they've actually earned (via actual merit) for no good reason
No one likes a Mary Sue and that's all the idiot wokesters can come up with these days - Mary Sue copycats of real life men or rehashes of already existing IP (looking at you Star Wars).
The show got increasingly bad the last couple of seasons. The storylines are just too ridiculous. The only two characters that I enjoy are waggs and Chuck senior.
Also I find it fucking annoying, all the woke bullshit in these shows, the hypocritcial ESG bullshit, every new show or new season of an older shows has to have a black lesbian, a transsexual or some latin chick who has to fight some kinda bias issue.
I don't watch these kinda shows for the virtue signalling
Hahahahah actually lemme walk what I said back a little. Too aggressive I was just ranting I guess.
Those 2 guys are dope as fuck. But they’re good ass actors god damn I would bet it was really that they put their own spin on how to really play the characters. Or the characters were written with them in mind that’s why they’re perfect.
Didn't even realize there was a new season streaming. It's been hard to stay interested and captivated for a while, and with Bobby leaving, it's hard to care about any of the other characters much. Yea, Wendy is still hot lol, but that can only carry so much. There's no more "anti-hero" who will go against the woke culture, and now it seems to just be pandering to that.
Taylor is a ridiculous character. Don't know a single person in finance who's remotely like that (or even delusional enough to think 'they/them' is an actual thing)
The whole fund cheering after they lost 2/3 of their AUM was S8 Game of Thrones meets Liz Warren's coked up fantasy bullshit. Wags cheering, particularly after the events of the episode wherein his evidence of Prince's untrustworthiness grows and his comp shrinks massively from losing these investors, is fucking retarded. Pretty inexcusable and I'm sure this wasn't really signed off on by any consultant they used or Andrew Ross Sorkin.
Their core problem is that Chuck and Axe (and to some extent Prince) destroying their lives to ratfuck each other was what made the show interesting. Prince/Taylor/ESG were fine as side characters/B plots but only because they provided contrast to how dark the leads were, but they don't stand on their own and I don't see a reason to watch anymore.
Can't watch anymore. I've moved on to "Succession". Even though it's written by SJWs I think it accurately depicts how people with "fuck you" money act (and react), even if they're caricatured versions of how SJWs view Conservatives. That, and the dialogue is pretty funny.
What about Succession is SJW?
The whole "evil Conservatives" angle. They're routinely depicted as bigoted, racist, homophobic, sexist, and misogynistic. There's even a running gag about their support of fascists -i.e. that Presidential pick of theirs who espouses white supremacist rhetoric as if it were the most normal thing in the world, refuses to disavow anything Hitler, and casually ignores what happened to the Jews when listing the consequences of WW2 - that cracks me up.
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I like Billions so much I will watch every episode. New episode is meh.
Hasn't been good since season 2
We need more of Dollar Bill and Wags
My wet dream was that Wags gets ousted at Prince Cap and immediately goes to Wags it up at Dollar Bill and Mafee's shop and they hatch their journey to be the new Axe capital. Eventually Victor, Kim and Bonnie come over. That's the freakin' series we all wanted to see Billions turn itself back into without a Bobby Axelrod character. Give something for Orrin and Hall to do.
I hope this is how the plot develops. I think Dollar Bill and Wags team up will be amazing to take on MPC
It's too bad, because Wall Street provides such good material that there should absolutely be a Sopranos or Mad Men tier show about it. But Billions isn't it.
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