China: To short or not to short?

China; the birthplace of Kung Fu, fireworks, hot asian women, and fake Louis Vuittons. It's meteoric rise in power is unparalleled throughout history.

Though largely hated in the old world, some say that it’s the future, the new frontier, the place where dreams come true and fortunes are to be made.

I absolutely agree, I think it's a great short.

And here's why:

Dollar peg- By shorting the Yuan forever to keep their rates low, China has become the exporting and economic giant it is today.

But:

Low rates: cheap credit has allowed people to buy way more than they could afford; their credit to GDP ratio is at 140% as of 2009. A conservative number some even say.

Their real estate bubble: the price to earnings ratio in Beijing is at 27:1, add a culture in love with RE (it is also a must to buy a home for your sons) plus a belief that prices won’t go down, a government preoccupied with growth and stability, a huge meltdown is certainly on the way.

QE2: the Fed’s second dose of quantitative easing will ram fist up China’s ass, letting them import inflation and rising commodity prices. This is turn will leave their citizens with less purchasing power and higher costs for their already inefficient industries, thereby killing growth.

2008 anyone?

Poor investments- China has embraced the mantra of growth at all costs, setting targets for their provinces to hit and throwing money at it to materialize.

The results?

Massive ghost towns: playing catch up with Beijing hasn’t been doing great for the other provinces; Ordos, an entire city built from scratch, is completely uninhabited. The world’s 2nd largest shopping mall, the South China Mall, is 99% empty. Extreme examples yes, but these appear to be quite prevalent in lesser degrees all over the country.

Overcapacitized production: they make 500 million tons more steel than the EU, the US, Japan, and Russia combined. Aluminum and cement? They’re way up there too. However, the percentages of these that are idle are now in the double digits, and the fact that they maintain these instead of closing them down are draining even more money.

Granted these are just a few examples but what do you guys think?

I always believed their growth was unsustainable but this is ridiculous.

Anyway, are the bears wrong on this one?

If not, how can they actually do it?

Also curious as to what the bulls here have to say.

 

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