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If he pulled you aside the next day, he's probably remembering it even if you apologize again. This kind of stuff lived rent free in my head as well at one point of my life.
Thanks yeah- does not feel great. Definitely a valuable lesson learned, but I am not sure if I can make situation any better here, or if I should just start searching for jobs now. Obviously that sounds pretty drastic but like, could this get me put on PIP or fired? I’m at a bulge bracket in a decently sized group but still
Look for ways to get him fired - eliminate the competition
Depends on how future interactions go, but prob will mention negative things in future convos with others if you come up.
Could always just double down that you were stressed out / affected by other events in your life during the deal, but he will probably remember it. Hopefully you aren't planning to a2a it haha.
Lateral
Claim freedom of speech. Can also consider punching in the face. Heard both are justified nowadays.
If I overheard one of my juniors talk about one of my files like that, def take them down a couple of notches in my eyes. Good fees for shitty deals are still good fees and that's how everyone gets paid. Analyst likes/dislikes and preference for experience is not in my execution list of priorities. We are all getting paid to do a job here. Ffs, I don't even like half my clients but they pay the bills.
That said, If they apologized, not a hole they couldn't dig themselves out of. We were all juniors once and have done our fair share of bitching. Stuff like this happens, all the time actually, and how you handle it is important.
My suggestion. Let them cool off, take them aside and apologize again. After that, business as usual. If they can't accept two apologies and take it in stride, they just have a fragile ego.
100% Agree with this as a fellow Senior Banker.
OP - never vent about work to people at work or who you work with. You can't trust people.
Thanks. I was thinking to do this, but I think now it seems like something I have to do. Appreciate the good advice.
I made this same mistake once. Most people in finance take stuff like this very personally, even if you were just venting about the deal itself.
I don't want to sound dramatic and scare you but don't be surprised if this affects your bonus / promotion; people in finance are really insecure and get butthurt so easily. You may have to lateral after this.
My bonus cycle is in January, so should I consider lateraling before then?
What did you do in this situation?
Below are just my two cents, maybe others disagree.
Don't do anything brash just yet.
Try to nurse the relationship the best you can. I don't know your deal lead but hopefully you can connect to him/her as a human being so that they don't hold a grudge and throw you under the bus on your future annual review. Try to have a better attitude going forward no matter how much you dislike your job/deals (i.e., be fake, vent to someone who doesn't work there) and try to make sure you're in good standing in your group. Ensure your work quality is great going forward.
If you get your bonus in January, then you might be in luck. Finance is a "what have you done for me lately" industry so it's possible this is forgotten about in ~6 months.
If you play your cards right and you get a good bonus / good review in January then hopefully that means this has blown over. If however you notice over the next 6 months that the deal lead(s) are treating you weird then the writing might be on the wall for a lateral move post-bonus.
People get pissed and rant about their projects or coworkers all the time. But you may as well just have sat down and spoken directly with your deal team lead to discuss what had been bothering you - what you're upset about sounds valid and reasonable for anyone in your shoes. If your deal lead is a good and experienced manager, they should be able to see why you'd be unhappy, maybe they're unaware that things could have been improved or more efficient from their end as well. They should be able to ask themselves "why does this bother OP?"
If they aren't accommodating at all, then they may not care enough and you should look to focus your time working with other managers or lateral, but usually people should be understanding, especially if they have been in the same shoes as you at some point before.
Nope, yeah. I completely agree, and this was really just a f*ck-up
If you’re new to a team or this is your first time working with the deal lead, the better approach would just be to discuss your experiences in a quick meeting and either seek advice or find areas to improve. This way, you could both convey/receive some feedback but also get to know the person you’re working with. As someone above mentioned, a lot of doing well has to do with how you get along with others. And who knows, maybe you and your deal lead are more similar than you think or have shared interests, experiences or hobbies
Gotcha, yeah. I think it may be a little too late for that with respect to this situation (but maybe I am wrong), but good to keep in mind- thank you.
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