How is female quota not considered sexist?
You have a different genitelia = you have a higher chance of getting hired. Thats literally the definition of sexism? How is tgat not illegal?
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Ahh shit, here we go again.
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For someone on the other side of this argument, this was a very well reasoned comment. +1
I think taking into account socioeconomic factors for college admissions would be a beneficial practice. However, I believe that the leg up URMs are given don't level the playing field during any normative recruiting cycle, rather they tilt the scale towards those groups. I think a lot of it has to do with SJWs in HR, who think they're making the world a better place by diversifying the company's demographic statistics, and then you have more senior guys who think it's a beneficial practice from an optics/PR standpoint. It's unfortunate that there will always be biases in the hiring process, but I'm not convinced that structural biases against white and asian males will do anything to solve that, rather they will stoke the fire for more biases down the road. For example, the achievements of a Hispanic woman being attributed to her identity as opposed to her work ethic and intelligence. But as a result of the diversity policies employed by many entry-level recruiters, is this bias irrational? I would argue it isn't, and that buck should stop when it comes to recruiting for actual jobs, though upbringing and socioeconomic status should be a factor, to some extent, in the admissions programs at universities, that make recruiting for these jobs possible in the first place.
I think a big problem though is who these diversity programs are taking. Just in my network alone I know two girls who are half asian/white and they've lied to say they're pacific islanders. Every underrepresented minority in these programs that I know, comes from at least an upper middle class background. For example, my school has no connections to MBB and never places. But one of my friends is hispanic, although his parents are solidly upper middle class, and he got it. He's a good friend of mine, and a very smart guy, but literally never would have gotten the opportunity if it weren't for the program. Compare that to someone else who lived in abject poverty, worked throughout college, but still maintained a good GPA, and had no way in to MBB.
Is this a fucking troll?
Yeah and guess what? The Irish Catholics immigrated to the United States and faced discrimination here too. People thought of the Irish as poor, drunken criminals, and "No Irish Need Apply" signs sprung up everywhere. And then... this sentiment started to disappear. Did the Irish get diversity programs? Were there Irish Leadership Seminars at JP Morgan or Ford Motors? Yeah, no. The Irish assimilated, worked hard and used everything that this country had to offer to lift themselves up. Just like the Jews, Asians, Italians, and practically every other group that immigrated to this country and faced similar discrimination. The reason blacks are behind is because of their defective culture, especially in the inner cities (which both they and well-intentioned gov't policies are responsible for). Those that don't take part in this culture move up, with or without diversity programs.
Gays are one of the highest earning demographics in this country. Why the fuck do they need a leg up? That should be DAMNING EVIDENCE that diversity programs are total, utter horseshit. Stop acting as if they were thoroughly researched by "economists" and the government to lift people up. They might have been well-intentioned initially, but now they are merely tools that politicians use to pander and that companies use to avoid getting sued for racism or homophobia.
These bullshit programs will never end. It is too politically unpopular to end them. We've gotten ourselves into this and now there is no way out. I encourage everyone to abuse the shit out of these programs. I became a bisexual hispanic just a few weeks ago, actually.
You're being intellectually dishonest in the first part of your comment. Why do you think Irish people were able to assimilate in a way black or hispanic people couldn't? Because when you're white, and you have an American accent, who is to know? When you're judged by the colour of your skin, who won't know? Your comment is riddled with borderline racist dribble.
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Ahh yes, those ethnicities assimilated in a time where you didn't even need a high school diploma to get ahead while at the same time black people weren't even able to get those jobs. Don't forget government welfare that was denied to black people all those groups would've been eligible for.
You guys love to use the government as your whipping board for how we got here with disproportionate misfortunes in the black community. But in reality, racism was the overarching issue that weaved its way into everything including government.
This is literally just the classic model minority myth. Basically: "Asians, Jews, Italians, and the Irish, have such strong cultures that they are able rise above other oppressed minorities." Not only does this hurt these groups, as any anti-Asian or antisemitism rhetoric is often not noticed as much. But when you use it the same way as the KKK does, you promote anti-Black rhetoric. All aforementioned groups faced incredibly challenging times, but Asians, Jews, Italians, and the Irish, didn't achieve economic success because of their "culture" they achieved because white people became less racist to them. Also, immigrants always do better than Americans in basically every field because of selective immigration that brings in the top talent from foreign nations. Its the reason African women who immigrated earn more than white American women.
Finally, how should we go about fixing "The reason blacks are behind is because of their defective culture?" Please enlighten me.
It is sexism for sure, but the world is currently WOKE and looking to put even more sexist and racist quota's in place. Feel free to identify as a woman and meet that requirement since we cant even admit there is a difference anymore in some circumstances.
Affirmative action started in the 60's in the US but go ahead and complain about "woke" culture.
TLDR: It is
Yes. It is meant to even the playing field (by sex). Is that an issue?
>Yes. It is meant to even the playing field (by sex). Is that an issue?
Do you realize what you're admitting?
Because to sexists and racists don't want to admit they are sexists and racists.
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Is there any way to sue a company that doesnt hire you because youre a different (male) sex?
You would need concrete evidence that your gender was the precise reason why you were not hired. I would be surprised if a company was careless enough to allow you to build a case, but you could sue if you have proof and not just a hunch.
I was told in an interview for a MM PE that the opening is specifically a female. No evidence to back it up unfortunately
How clueless do you have to be to write "You have a different genitelia = you have a higher chance of getting hired" to describe women's privilege? Yes prospect, you definitely deserved to be hired, were the perfect candidate, but unfortuantely a much less deserving woman got your spot indeed - no doubt that's what happened.
Shut up man, you know that's not what he said.
"How clueless do you have to be to write "You have a different genitelia = you have a higher chance of getting hired" to describe women's privilege?"
He's not entirely wrong. What he said is statistically a correct statement.
It's simple: liberals hate men
Interestingly enough the only category Trump did worse in than 2016 was white males which ultimately led to his loss.
Let's specify: upper class white males who live in coastal cities, who preach wokedom yet are never personally impacted by it. No skin in the game.
it's been going on for years with minorities. I usually hear the argument that minorities are oppressed therefore they need the extra help getting a job... ok but thats been happening for well over a decade. and the quotas don't make sense. the UK is 86% white (was 92% in 2001), how are companies trying to recruit 25% black workforces lmao.
it's all a rigged game anyway... soon these jobs will be full of sub-par candidates that are a) somehow oppressed or b) got the job through a connection.
I encourage all other straight white males to say you are a disabled black female. I do on all my apps. If we all do it their system fails.
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