I was rejected at HYP with superb stats and I'm still stunned, so now im off to trinity college in CT. How well does trinity perform when putting kids at IBD? If it isn't good, it may look like I would have to transfer
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Trinity places horribly on the street. And to make matters worse, students from there are admitted on a transfer basis to good schools at an incredibly low rate even with perfect GPAs. You must have some major flaws to be rejected from Harvard, Yale, AND Princeton with such superb stats. And to make matters worse, you will have to explain to your interviewers why you picked such a weak, puny non-target institution (if you get interviews, that is). The good news is that there are plenty of back office jobs out there for people like you. Once they slave away at it for a few years, you can ultimately apply to MBA programs -- but you'd probably want to shoot for second-tier schools given the poor undergrad background you will have. Then you will have your proper shot at a coveted position at top investment banks.
In the mean time, I'd work on figuring out what it was about you that caused the top 3 schools to turn you down so that when you do have the chance to apply to Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and JP Morgan 8-10 years from now, they don't make the same mistake.
It was either trinity, IU Kelley, USC, or UCLA. I don't think its quite difficult to transfer to some targets with impressive stats.
you don't know jack if you think that Trinity is better than UCLA or USC or IU for investment banking.....all 3 would have better opportunities at BBs than trinity. IU if you are in Kelley is a target for some lower ranked BBs
I have met lower ranked non-targets in IBD. You'll be fine, just prepare to network like it's a part time job from day 1.
I forgot to mention that I also got accepted as a direct admit to IU-Kelley, and UCLA(hell no), USC
Why would you even apply to UCLA if you had no intention of going?
Have you considered Stern? You'd fit in well there.
You clearly didn't have superb stats, at least by our definition.
Not superb by any means.
The result is that you didn't get in, period.
"2270 SAT" "superb" LOL that's hilarious. Are you for real? I had a 2350 SAT 3 800's in SAT II's, 4.0 GPA, Tennis team captain and medical research / science competition placings. You don't see me bitching about not getting in HYP cause I am fucking happy where I am now. Damn what an angsty little shit haha
Essays make a huge difference. You probably came across as too cocky. Test scores don't guarantee admittance to an elite university.
Why the hell wouldn't you take Kelley with the IB workshop? If you're as good as you say it shouldn't be a problem to get in.
How is that superb? I've seen people as valedictorians and 2400s with scientific publications get rejected from HYP. With a 2270, SAT scores keep you competitive in the admissions process at those schools, not stellar that you should be shocked you didnt get in.
Go to USC. You'll have the time of your life and a decent shot in IB.
^Can confirm but only if you go greek
Lol, OP would never get a bid. I'd throw black.
You immediately reminded me of one of my favorite youtube videos:
lol, weren't you in Phi Sig? Always amusing to see bottom tier guys overcompensate.
Knew some Trinity guys; heard it was a good time. Plus I'm always an advocate of the 'cac
Trinity is the worst school you got accepted to. Why would you go there?
Sounds like you didn't pass their douchebag test - easy for most, but not for all.
You'll do fine. Stay focused on the goal and have fun. Nescac is only second to the IVY's.
Are you serious? Kids these days. Relax, you'll end up in finance. I know Trinity guys.
Can't tell if OP is a troll or is so stupid that he doesn't even realize his own stupiditiy
I just felt like I would fit in at Trinity, I'm more of a prep. But yea at this point I'll probably either go to USC or Trinity. If I end up not liking any of the schools, I'll try to transfer to Stern or Georgetown.
I hope you realize that you're the worst type of person.
Your scores are certainly what I'd call superb - I'll give you that. But you're stunned? Because you had superb stats and were denied admission? This should be no shocker, for even people with perfect scores get routinely rejected, as the admissions game is a holistic process and scores alone don't mean that much past a certain point.
I had a 2280 SAT, near-perfect SAT II's, 6 national-level awards mostly tied to business, Boys State delegate, won in a prestigious Ayn Rand essay contest, tons of state awards, started my own business, etc. On top of that, I was a low income Hispanic in a single-parent family. I still got put on the waitlist at both Harvard and Yale.
Jesus Christ. How the hell does one even get admitted to Harvard/Yale these days? Cure cancer?
No. It's one thing to have good stats, but the second piece of the puzzle is to actually be an interesting human being. There are thousands of sob stories/perfect score candidates. If you let that be your defining trait in the application then you're likely getting nowhere.
Your dad didn't write a large enough "donation" check. Not to mention that your stats are good but not superb. Any marginal student can get into HPY if you staple at least a 500k check to your admission form. You also have to use a flat rate over night FedEx envelope that contains another sealed flat envelope inside that is made out of Egyptian paper that is sealed with wax and your family crest stamped into it.
If you didn't do that it's no wonder you didn't get in.
You can blame the asians for setting the bar so high, they basically made it difficult for all income groups(except the rich) and racial groups to get in. It's funny though because asians actually have it the hardest when it comes to getting into a top university.
Nowadays you need to have a minimum SAT score of 2200+ at least 2 700+ SAT2 scores(one of them being math),a minimum of 3.8+ GPA, the hardest classes you can get into, and the capability of showing leadership. You either got to be an athlete,participate in international olympiads, really rich(i'm talking multimillionaire status), child prodigy.
I can't even remember but I think Stanford rejected a kid who made his own nuclear reactor. How can you reject someone like that??
This seems crazy. I will respond with the following:
You are correct about the SAT scores.
GPA is a very grey area. You cannot compare a 3.8 from some random public school in Kansas to a 3.8 from Milton Academy or Andover; apples and oranges there. At top schools the cutoff is more like a 3.4 depending on the high school you went to.
Hardest classes you can get into? Yes. Unless you're a URM (black or hispanic in particular, Asians have to bite the bullet here)
You are correct in saying Asian is definitely the hardest competitive pool. However, their high scores do not increase the competitiveness of the general application pool. Black competes with black, white competes with white, etc. I will probably get MS for saying this, but if you deny this then you probably wish the world were a nicer place and all that mumbo jumbo. Whatever, life ain't fair.
Full tuition paying families go in a separate pile of applications, and so do legacy applicants, and athletes
There are different levels of pull for athletes. In the Ivy League there is an algorithm that they throw your GPA, SAT, and some other intangibles etc into and it spits out a number. The coaches determine action from there. At LAC's there are basically two poles: GPA recruits (bench-warmers that raise the team GPA) and the crazy elite athletes that turned down D1 programs (who either have permissible or sub-par GPAs).
Leadership? Sort of. You don't ALWAYS have to be a leader. People appreciate a dedicated follower too. When you're the leader of 20 different clubs admissions knows that you're just trying to beef up your application, they're not that stupid. From talking to admissions at my school, they'd rather see the kid who participates/leads the Hinduism club, Judaism Club, and Islamic Club simultaneously rather than someone who leads Habitat for Humanity, Entrepreneurs Club, Chess Club, and 5 other things. One is a concentrated interest versus some random assortment of clubs that look good on an application.
Disclaimer: My thoughts/claims are biased towards the school I attended and the ones I received admission to. This is also a very cut and dry explanation, it is not always this simple.
go to USC
Unless we are talking about international admissions, there is no distinction between full pay and full need. However there is a distinction between legacy and non-legacy.
Still, the important point is that US Standardize tests are a joke, and so getting near perfect scores is not a mark of distinction, but a requirement to make it past the bulk filter. This isn't Asia where your performance on an impossibly difficult test determines your future, you have to be an interesting person in order to get into HYP.
TEST. wtf happened to this place? is it broken?
Ok kids, you are only screwed in life if you throw in the towel for good. Work hard, be a good guy and believe in yourself and you're set. Don't complain years from now that your life is over because of some mistake HYP adcoms made. There is stuff you cant control. Yes maybe they indeed messed up. Life isnt fair in every single one situation, and shit happens, but I'm convinced life is fair over the long haul. Look ahead. You can totally get into IB from your school.
I've seen people get fired during layoffs who had to take somewhat acceptable jobs initially and then move on to end up on trajectories much better than they were on initially. I've seen guys get destroyed by their VPs for how retarded they are who now run the show in large PE and HF. Hell, Steve Jobs got kicked out of Apple some day and that was one of his best experiences in hindsight. I was on track to professional athlete but had an accident and thought everything's over. Not so, I'm in finance now and honestly find the job so much more rewarding.
Check out this guy: "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." -- Michael Jordan
A few weeks ago I got kicked out of the house by a super high maintenance 8 from hell, who is now my ex, and am meeting a really nice and apparently easy-going 9 for drinks tonight. Hopefully that will go in line with the spirit of this post :).
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