Since this forum has been circle jerking about the iPhone for the past few days, I thought you guys might like this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38002805/ns/technolog…
Now comes the test to see if AT&T's network is that shitty, or if Verizon's won't be able to handle the mass GB usage of all the nerds.
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Verizon too, is expected to soon offer a tiered data plan that caps the maximum data usage. In addition to that Apple is bound by their contract with AT&T which expires in 2012. So this is all a speculation and a rumor. Apple's marketing works on being the "people's device", so it is highly unlikely they are going to do their iPhone 4 customers dirty, by releasing the iPhone 4 on Verizon in January, and even at that Verizon uses CMDA, which would make service better on the iPhone, but would compromise the experience.
(Just for the record, I am not an apple fanboy, I own a blackberry and an iphone)
These rumors seem to pop up every couple of months but are never substantiated. I'll believe it when Apple or Verizon makes an announcement.
I think a big question is if Verizon can handle allowing Apple to completely have its way with every decision about the phone. Knowing how anal Verizon appears to be about their phones, I would be shocked if Steve Jobs' ego could handle moving to Verizon.
Well the Iphone would also have to be completely redesigned to operate on the CDMA network. To my knowledge, Verizon is the only one that operates using this technology. I have heard that T-mobile will have the Iphone before year ed.
Sprint also uses CDMA.
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601010&sid=ap5gMo.E6RUo
Here's the original article.
In addition to the fact that the contract is in place, the timing seems strange to begin with. It would be a pretty costly endeavor for Apple to outfit either all of their phones with CDMA/GSM technology or split production to manufacture one phone for ATT and one for VZW. What I think this is is a play on 4G networks. Since AT&T's 3G network has been so suspect, they have had to invest heavily in keeping pace with 3G while Verizon has been able to invest in LTE (4G) networks and will be one of the first to market. Apple has had to learn the hard way about choosing networks, especially since Verizon was their first choice for the original. Verizon just shut them down because working with Apple is a nightmare.
Also, think about the possibilities for Verizon. A January release of a CDMA iPhone and a 2012 deployment of true 4G means every single Apple fanboy already on Verizon jizzing their pants and buying full price 4G (true LTE) iPhones without their "New Every Two".
Personally, I hope Verizon doesn't get it. The last thing the mobile space needs is more douches with $600 buying inferior phones. Verizon has such a strong customer base, it is an excellent opportunity for handset makers like HTC, etc to gain some traction without competing against pure hype.
goalieman688, I'm not an engineer but I don't think there needs to be a total redesign of the phone in order for it to work on a CDMA network. You are essentially removing a GSM radio and replacing it with a CDMA radio.
At any rate, I think Scrambles is a little closer to the reality of the situation. While there have been rumors for over a year not that Verizon would get the iPhone everybody knows the contract Apple has with AT&T has to be running out and Steve Jobs knows there are people dying to have the iPhone but would never spend the money to break their contracts to leave their current provide (Verizon) not to mention that some people would flat out refuse to use AT&T's network no matter what phone was available. The analysts are estimating Verizon would sell 11 million iPhones next year. We are talking hundreds of millions of dollars in additional revenue for Apple next year.
Verizon should be rolling out the LTE network in some cities by the end of the year/beginning of next and that could be a perfect opportunity for Apple to jump to Verizon.
Regards
Tell me “I told you so” in six months, but Bloomberg’s exciting news that two dudes said something about the iPhone coming to Verizon is false until we see hardware and there has been no hardware.
Apple picked GSM because it is an international standard. CDMA, the system used by Verizon and Sprint, is about as international as American beer – both are considered weak and both are reviled. Picking AT&T in this case was the only way Apple could reach a mass audience quickly without having two separate phone SKUs on the books – one for us and one for the rest of the world. AT&T has also been a good partner in terms of odd pricing systems including a la carte data. From a business perspective, it made sense.
Apple doesn’t innovate, per se. They make existing technologies better. If you recall, the first iPhone wasn’t 3G even though 3G was popular. It’s because they wanted to first inject something good on the market. The next iPhone had no front-facing camera although they had existed for years. It’s because they wanted to perfect the process of face-to-face calling. Howl all you want about your janky Nokia from 2002 with face chat: how many wireless face-to-face video chats on a cellphone had you ever experienced before Facetime? Approximately zero?
To that end, the possibility of bouncing off into CDMA/LTE/WiMax is highly suspect. First, they’d never go 4G/WiMax until it’s an established standard available everywhere.
Consider, also, the audience for Verizon phones – an audience that rarely travels abroad and is looking for the lowest price possible. Verizon just slashed prices on Microsoft’s abysmal Kin phones without Microsoft’s input and I doubt Apple would accept that sort of guff from any carrier. AT&T, at the very least, has been very amenable to changes in the age-old structure of the carrier universe.
But look: you guys need a little cheering up. Here’s a rumor I heard from “two reliable sources:” the iPhone will come to all carriers! They’ll have two radios built-in and two SIM cards and a keyboard and come in multiple colors and include a bumper case! And they’ll be free with contract with all carriers! Take that to the SEC and smoke it, Bloomberg.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06/30/sorry-to-shatter-your-dreams-but…
[quote=goalieman688]Tell me “I told you so” in six months, but Bloomberg’s exciting news that two dudes said something about the iPhone coming to Verizon is false until we see hardware and there has been no hardware.
Apple picked GSM because it is an international standard. CDMA, the system used by Verizon and Sprint, is about as international as American beer – both are considered weak and both are reviled. Picking AT&T in this case was the only way Apple could reach a mass audience quickly without having two separate phone SKUs on the books – one for us and one for the rest of the world. AT&T has also been a good partner in terms of odd pricing systems including a la carte data. From a business perspective, it made sense.
Apple doesn’t innovate, per se. They make existing technologies better. If you recall, the first iPhone wasn’t 3G even though 3G was popular. It’s because they wanted to first inject something good on the market. The next iPhone had no front-facing camera although they had existed for years. It’s because they wanted to perfect the process of face-to-face calling. Howl all you want about your janky Nokia from 2002 with face chat: how many wireless face-to-face video chats on a cellphone had you ever experienced before Facetime? Approximately zero?
To that end, the possibility of bouncing off into CDMA/LTE/WiMax is highly suspect. First, they’d never go 4G/WiMax until it’s an established standard available everywhere.
Consider, also, the audience for Verizon phones – an audience that rarely travels abroad and is looking for the lowest price possible. Verizon just slashed prices on Microsoft’s abysmal Kin phones without Microsoft’s input and I doubt Apple would accept that sort of guff from any carrier. AT&T, at the very least, has been very amenable to changes in the age-old structure of the carrier universe.
But look: you guys need a little cheering up. Here’s a rumor I heard from “two reliable sources:” the iPhone will come to all carriers! They’ll have two radios built-in and two SIM cards and a keyboard and come in multiple colors and include a bumper case! And they’ll be free with contract with all carriers! Take that to the SEC and smoke it, Bloomberg.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06/30/sorry-to-shatter-your-dreams-but…]
Why would Apple care what AT&T sells their phones for? I'm pretty sure Apple sells these things out right to AT&T, so if AT&T doesn't want to make money, then it could give them away, but because they are purchasing them for $400 or $500 buck each, they just price them where the market allows them...in the $200, top-of-the-line smartphone category...the place where all their contenders are.
Trust me, I don't particularly like Apple and I have never owned one of their products, so I am not trying to toot their horn here. I am simply pointing out that Verizon would be a great way for them to make some big dollars and that Verizon seems to be the most logical choice as far as potential additional carrier partners are concerned. They have a massive network with a huge potential for new phone sales and they are migrating from their 3G CDMA technology to LTE, which is the 4G standard that most (maybe all) GSM networks will eventually deploy.
So the argument about GSM vs CDMA globally becomes a mute issue at the point 4G is rolled out. And I realize the LTE is not even really around and that 99% of all calls will have to rely on 3G technology for the foreseeable future but it doesn't seem to me that putting a CDMA/LTE radio would be too impossible considering Blackberry has similar handsets available with both CDMA/GSM radios. That especially makes sense with the Verizon customers described above, since they don't travel they will only need CDMA (like they have now) and LTE for the 4G upsell. Not to mention that a hybrid would allow Apple to work out kinks with LTE before these technologies begin rolling out on other carriers world wide.
Regards
Exactly, cph. This isn't a play to get into the fading 3G market, but to get penetration into LTE which will be rolled out in Q4 (http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/rumor-mill-verizon-launching-lte-ne…). Although I don't really agree with the nontraveling/cheap plans put forth in goalieman's copy/paste job. Verizon may easily be the most expensive provider out there. Verizon offers what is most likely the best network and people will pay for it. If you want cheap, go with T-Mobile. The last two phones I have had from VZW have been dual radios and have traveled with them. I don't think most people rule out Verizon if they travel. I've never heard of such a thing and I've been consulting for a while now.
AT&T is getting a pretty raw deal on iPhones. Apple really strongarmed them into a less than ideal contract. Which another one of the reasons Verizon declined the opportunity to carry the original iPhone.
Apple cares what AT&T sells their phone for because its about the branding, and creating the idea that you're paying a premium for their whiz-bang product. Look at the prices of their MacBooks and MacBook Pros. For hundreds of dollars less you can get the exact same hardware in a Sony Vaio. What they are charging you for is their God's-gift-to-humanity-OS. Remember when the iPhone first came out and there was no discount for buying the phone with a contract? Also the cost to AT&T and other retailers (BBY, WMT) to acquire the iPhone from Apple is less than $400-$500.
Verizon iPhone (Originally Posted: 10/06/2010)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487037358045755361916493475…
It's official... iphone coming to Verizon. What does everyone think about:
-Where is VZ stock going? -Where is T stock going? -Who is switching their ATT iphone for a VZ one? -Who is getting an iPhone for the first time because its now on a decent network? -Is the VZ network just going to get overloaded like ATT's did?
If this branding...premium...whiz-bang product idea was true, how come they don't sell the phone for more then the NexusOne, the Driod Incredible, the HTC Evo 4G...are they saying, "Our phone is just as good as the rest...thats why its the same exact price!!"?? No, its because that is what the market can handle. As far as the higher price when the iPhone first came out, that again had a lot to do with the market. Most feature/smartphones cost anywhere between $300-$500 even with a contract renewal at that time.
As far as the MacBook and MacBook Pros are concerned, you are comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended). The laptops aren't sold through wireless carriers that subsidize the total cost of the device because the are able to tie you to a long term contract.
It's been estimated that AT&T pays Apple $325 for every iPhone, plus a few dollars per month for every existing customer on AT&T and anywhere between $10 and $20 a month for new customers. So that's a significant amount of money. This is why Apple doesn't care what AT&T sells the iPhone for...they make money no matter what. In fact, they would prefer every single 3G and 3Gs owner upgrade to the new iPhone.
Regards
long aapl is the trade. buy and hold forever.
always had blackberry on VZ, will consider an iphone when it moves (assuming VZ wont cripple features but im sure aapl wont allow that)
just switched 2 weeks ago from a blackberry curve to the iPhone 4 - loving the iPhone - 10x better than the blackberry in my opinion
my hesistations are the touch keyboard (which everyone says you get used to quickly and are superfast on) and no bbm. if everyone moves to the iphone though, bbm becomes a non issue.
definitely jealous of the safari browser, better apps, and having all music/videos on the go. yes you can do the music/video on blackberry but the interface is awful
Question Mr. Bateman. I too have the Blackberry but I have never really found much use for the BBM feature. Is there really anything that makes it better than texting other than the ability to see that the person is typing a response?
just all my friends have it and its way quicker and more seamless. more like an AIM convo, plus group chats/bbm groups.
helps with chicks too as every jap in nyc has one
to anyone with an iphone, whatsapp does a decent job replicating the bbm experience across iphone/blackberry/droid
you guys know if it will be cdma AND gsm (quad band) compatible? THAT would be sick. had to switch to ATT before leaving to buenos aires bc I switch to a GSM phone w touch screen and keyboard.
No, it wont have both cdma and gsm.
I have a feeling it will be CMDA and LTE. Verizon also mentioned recently that it will roll out LTE to a fair number of cities next year along with a dozen (maybe it was half a dozen) LTE ready devices.
Part of me says that a CMDA/LTE 5th gen iPhone would be a no brainer but Apple loves to over market less advanced devices. They play behind the techno curve because they are able to get away with it but it will be interesting to see what they will do. Sadly for BB they are about to fall off the map.
Regards
I feel like the Incredible is fairly comparable without that iPhone mystique and with the shitty AT&T service, I wouldn't wait.
Looks like it will be CMDA.
I'll weigh in with the younger point of view:
Girls love blackberries. Correction; Girls 3 BBM. They can see the "R" when you read a message, and play accordingly.
Android is the new iPhone. Having such an open platform, anything is possible. Once phones start coming out with more front facing cameras and skype mobile allows video chat, facetime will be a non-issue. The iPhone has been around longer, let Android phone manufacturers such as HTC play catch up. I personally own an HTC Incredible with verizon, have free wifi hotspot on it (don't tell VZW), and couldn't be happier.
I love my roommate's iPhone 4, but am not quite sold on it. Having so many different manufacturers working with both phones and tablets definitely gives Android an advantage over iOS. Watch the growth rates on the OS adoption. VZW is taking on massive advertising to show that Android can hold its own against iOS.
To be honest, I'm not a fan of aapl because it's too pop-culture esque. It's the new Coke. I'm not anti-mac... I own a macbook pro. I spent $2200 for my first one. Catastrophic failure due to form over function (overheating). iPhone 4 Antennagate, and now potential issue with the rear glass shattering. I personally like a phone that I can go out with, drop, and not worry about it cracking. The iPhone has always just felt... fragile to me. I'm just against the idea of having glass on my phone... I know I'll drop it.
Not gonna lie, I'm feeling the Motorola Droid Pro over the iPhone for Verizon.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/motorola-droid-pro-first-hands-on/
I really like Android and a full keyboard.
Apple did try, as I mentioned, to price the iPhone at a premium to every other phone on the market when they released the first generation one back in 2007. They then realized that they couldn't singlehandedly change the way cell phone pricing in the US works so they had to play everybody elses' game, so that the iPhone could compete with BlackBerry, etc.
As for the laptops, what I mean is comparing a MacBook to a Sony/Toshiba/HP/Dell laptop. I'm not talking the netbooks, I mean just regular laptops. Comparing hardware specs.
I agree with you that the iPhone is a cash cow, but if Apple had it their way, there wouldn't be a discount for buying the phone even with a contract.
Iphone to Verizon (Originally Posted: 01/07/2011)
Who is switching.. who is standing in line and do you think this will potentially be a huge boost in the stock price of Apple and Verizon or do you think that this is already factored in?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487047395045760681702303393…
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Finally will be switching to verizon... I have had enough of ATT's dropped calls in the city.
Keep in mind that Verizon Wireless is only 50% owned by Verizon
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