Anyone else getting really concerned with this impending lockdown (saying this now as my school just did it). I mean we got 3 vaccines and the campus has over 97% vaccination rate. Its scary to me how life can stop in an instant even when this variant doesn't even look that bad. If I'm online next semester i'm going Airbnb in Montana. Would like to hear your POVs.
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I doubt there will be another national lockdown. Maybe some schools will be online and there will be local restrictions but I doubt it'll be like March 2020 again. Besides, there is some data supporting the fact that the vaccine and boosters are effective against Omicron. Not super concerned over a shutdown but if it does happen again, I'm moving to Florida when I graduate next semester. Fuck NYC in that case lmao.
I live in NYC and I have to wear a mask in classrooms and subways but that's about it. Nothing related to COVID has impacted my life since I moved here.
Because you dont go to bars, restaurants, gyms, etc. and have no social life?
Which is doubly painful when she's also on record as saying that "COVID isn't ever going away".
I don't disagree with your assessment. BUT, I'm still trying to figure out what governments gain from the lockdowns. Like is it purely a power flex, or is there a gain that I'm not seeing? These lockdowns don't seem to do any good economically nor from a Covid perspective. Also, forcing people to not socialize seems to have horrible effects on most peoples' mental states.
I hope the government is at least getting something out of all this.
Part of it is flexing power. They get to keep all the peasants in their cells and only let them out if they need some essential work from them. It's also economic. Thousands of businesses get shut down, paving the way for Wal-Mart and Amazon to replace them. Many businesses that didn't shut down, are now in deep debt to their government and by extension, to the big banks, because they were forced to take on loans to survive. This is part of what they call "The Great Reset." Also you mentioned that forcing people not to socialize ruins their mental states, but you have to realize that the government likes this too. A depressed and divided populace is a lot easier to rule than one that's connected and spirited.
Control, when you look at government in a business analysis framework insert government increasing its control on people as market share. It really is no different. The more government controls people the more market share it controls. The only real difference here is that the the government does everything at 1.5x the cost if you want to be as absolutely charitable as possible.
Well guess what: people in upstate New York just lost the right to non-essential healthcare operations thanks to a surge in COVID cases in Trump country. My right to healthcare trumps your right to spread a deadly disease, something the Supreme Court has ruled on many times.
You don't have a right to health care.
The thing about government authoritarianism is you CANNOT comply your way out of it. This whole charade ends when people stop complying. Peacefully at first. This latest variant is literally a non-issue, afaik there are no deaths in the US yet and the doctors who discovered it in South Africa have publicly stated that the symptoms are substantially less severe and not something to panic over. Meanwhile Australia is locking citizens they see as misbehaving in camps without their consent (even when they test negative for Covid) and both Germany and Austria are falling back into old habits. You're absolutely right to be nervous, but I would not want to be in any country other than the USA right now. Do yourself a favor and stop humoring the government, realize the 4th-10th boosters are just money grabs and move on with your life.
Not to mention the Omicron cases identified in Africa were also in fully vaccinated people.
And the first case in the US was a vaccinated + boosted person in Cali. Oh and how did it get in Australia? I thought they were only letting vaccinated people through and the quarantine camps prevented this?
Really? Cause life is normal in NYC. The governor (not the mayor) is going to announce new countermeasures because Trumpers in upstate NY are flooding hospitals and morgues because they won't get vaccinated. The exact people who aren't complying. Meanwhile, people who follow the rules now will have limited access to medical care.
Comparing lockdowns to the Holocaust is insulting. I'm sure the Jews who were murdered wished they could have just got a vaccine and not be bothered again.
I've been making a point to try and ignore your stupid responses lately but this one just really speaks to me. You're right Drumpfy. Fuck that majority of minorities in NYC who refuse to comply and get the experimental vaccine that doesn't stop you from catching or spreading the virus. Fuck anyone who doesn't want their kids getting shot up with something they're more likely to get side effects from vs the virus itself. And anyone who isn't totally fine with the 4th, 6th, or 22nd booster - it's for the greater good after all. Those dirty unvaxxed don't get to come in the same stores as you and pollute the air you breath, thank god. They shouldn't be allowed to use the same water fountains or bathrooms as you either. At least they can't be an eyesore while you're at the restaurants thanks to the wise NY leadership. They don't get to send their kids to school either. They don't even get to use public facilities they pay taxes for. Fuck those filthy second-class unvaccinated scum. You are a shining example of a caring progressive who truly only wants what's best for society and anyone who can't see that is clearly just a bigot or conspiracy theorist. You are a clown.
I mainly meant the general authoritarianism and specifically did not make the holocausts comparison, but you just had to bring it up. I actually am German and Jewish so you can go fuck yourself with a cactus you slimy liberal dreg. Ever been to Yad Vashem? Ever walked through Auschwitz? Got any family who did time in a camp? Ever spoken with people who actually experienced Nazi occupation? Have you even bothered to read to any of the opinions some of the actual holocaust survivors have shared about the similarities between the Nazi takeovers and the current measures slowly creeping in across Western governments? I doubt it. Because you are the epitome of the virtue signaling and pridefully ignorant progressive caricature people picture when they think of NYC/LA/SF wannabe elitists who aren't even finished with school yet think they have the slightest understanding of how the real world works.
"and not be bothered again"
Is this how colossally stupid you are? Do you live under a rock somewhere in Africa? That is quite literally the point of what I was saying. First it was 1 shot, then it was a 2-part shot, then it was just 1 booster, then it was 2 boosters. Israel is on their 5th shot. Australia has a population of ~25 million but have ordered enough vaccines to get their entire population jabbed 5x. The entire issue is pharmaceutical companies have succeeded in turning your not even complete immunity for a virus with a 99% survival rate into a fucking subscription service where you lose your civil rights if you don't comply.
My lord, I am normally just amused by your brazen idiocy but here I feel nothing but strong, genuine disgust.
And another fuck you for good measure for trying to slide in the "cOmPaRiSoNs To ThE hOlOcAuSt ArE oFfEnSiVe" bs. Your immediate deference to whatever the government declares vs being on the side of individual liberty and humanity makes it clear as day you would support slavery if the government said it was both moral and legal. You have no character or substance, just whatever one-liners CNN feeds you in the morning.
I don't think you know what normal means.
It's almost like those people who have been saying this was an engineered virus that will decay away are looking more and more correct. But we can't let the opportunity to terrify the public go to waste!
If COVID was a bioweapon then what does that make anti-vaxxers? Spies for Red China?
I live in a laughably, ultra-deep blue wacko state and I haven't heard even a small bit of talk about future lockdowns. Omicron--thank the gods--seems to be a big nothing. I could definitely see a few college campuses, which are now totally run by people with fried brains, seeking lockdowns, but that's about it. But who the hell knows?
Lockdowns are the last thing colleges want IMO. The negative financial impacts for colleges of lockdowns are pretty substantial. That being said I feel most masking and vaccination policies will stay in place at universities as they’re at most a minor inconvenience for the majority of people and seem to reduce the risk of local outbreaks from occurring.
Mask mandates aren't a minor inconvenience for college students.
Respectfully disagree - how is wearing a mask a big inconvenience?
bro what are you talking about LMFAOOO didn't realize kids stopped learning when a piece of fabric covered their mouth
Also NYC is the only place with a hard mandate, right? Everything else is a soft mandate from corporations which makes sense as the vaccine appears to reduce covid cases even if it doesn’t outright prevent it.
Also NYC is the only place with a hard mandate, right? Everything else is a soft mandate from corporations which makes sense as the vaccine appears to reduce covid cases even if it doesn’t outright prevent it.
Boston has a mandate. The mandate has been in place since September. Good thing masks are stopping the huge spike in cases in Boston! /s
I was referring to vaccine mandates. And it’s also possible to make the argument that there’d be more deaths without masks. My understanding is that countries with effective masking such as Japan and Taiwan have had lower covid death rates but could be wrong.
I was referring to vaccine mandates. And it’s also possible to make the argument that there’d be more deaths without masks. My understanding is that countries with effective masking such as Japan and Taiwan have had lower covid death rates but could be wrong.
I've stopped reading and thinking about covid. If you tune it out its almost like it doesn't exist. Not one soul has ever told me to wear a mask either.
Just ignore it all op.
I'm finding it hard to understand why people think governments actively want to control their population with lockdowns and restrictions. Is this an American thing? Pre-COVID Western governments loved the freedom their societies had because it meant more spending, mobility and stronger contribution to the economy. Is the theory that governments want more population control at the expense of the national economy? If so, why would that make sense?
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Haha, fair enough
Governments don't but some Governments are run by petty tyrants who enjoy the arbitrary power.
Right, and if you look at those government they are usually in low-income countries with a crippled economy. As a Western nation, would you spend decades or centuries cultivating a thriving economy just to throw it all away in the name of "control" in a few years? Seems unlikely to me. Certainly not an issue for Western European countries or the US.
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