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bkzen

I agree, went from eating like shit to mainly vegan/vegetarian diet for the past year. You will have so much more energy and look better as a plus.

You'll look like a little bitch because you will be a little bitch. Men eat meat. We kill animals and fish and we pillage chicken nests and we eat that shit and grow fierce.

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I can't believe no one has said the scientifically proven answer. An apple provides a better boost than caffeine in the morning. Look it up...

Frank Sinatra - "Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy."
 

I have some friends that swear by mate. A tea made from yerba mate leaves.

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Definitely acquired taste. Had to just say no after tasting it.

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Well..then scratch that! OP wanted no caffeine.

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infinance

Can people stop saying drugs are the way to go on this thread:
A. None of you are even able to afford cocaine because a gram of it costs as much as your monthly rent
B. Guaranteed you don't do it yourself because of drug testing at BB banks and you would never have the balls to show up to work on anything
C. Stop thinking drugs are cool and idealizing people like Jordan Belfort, because you will live a miserable life

1 Some one is butt hurt that I could afford coke by the boat loads. 2 Besides you take a drug test before you start work, not after you have been working baring you don't climb on your desk and start shouting like a crazy man. 3 Just because you aren't cool enough to use drugs doesn't mean that everyone else is as much of a pussy as you are.
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infinance


A. None of you are even able to afford cocaine because a gram of it costs as much as your monthly rent

Lets assume a kilo costs $20,000 at wholesale lets mark that up 100% for street sale to $40,000. 1 kilo = 1000 grams 1 gram = $40.00 I also took the luxury to google the current street price for a gram and Google told me $28. So please tell me where you can get $28/month rent at, I will buy the entire building and kick all of the people out then jack up the rates to meet market rate and make a killing in the process.
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infinanceNone of you are even able to afford cocaine because a gram of it costs as much as your monthly rent

Where do you live? The Congo?

As for myself, I just stay miserable until about 11AM. That's about when I mentally awaken. Every so often I get up at 5AM and work out, but for the most part I drag myself through the morning and hit my stride from noon - 8/9PM. I find that caffeine ruins my focus (much as I like it).

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Rub some peppermint essential oil under your nose. Stings a bit but it gets me going.

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Drugs are bad mmmkay... But seriously if the guy is trying to get off caffine I thnk coke might just be going the wrong direction. Best thing is to drink cold water as soon as possible after waking up, and eating a small amount of food avoiding anything very fatty or full of refined carbs. Or you can always go the speed metal/ hardcore techno route; your neighbors and roommates might hate you but it will help you get going at least until you leave for work.

Oh and seriously drugs tests only catch 3 types of people, addicts, pot heads and idiots.

Doog37
 

Tea or De-Caff coffee?

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I don't drink coffee till the afternoon which happens to be my only cup for the day and I don't get much sleep either. Here are some of the things I do:

  • Morning: 30 min exposure to extremely bright artificial sunlight (10,000 lux+) - usually do this after waking up while catching up on markets or emails. Crushes your melatonin production and improves your mood, leaving you much more alert than a cup of coffee. Also made me time-zone invariant.

  • Afternoon: Blend some MCT oil (increases energy levels and metabolism) and butter with my coffee. No caffeine crash.

  • Evening: 30-90min of cardio. I go with thai boxing, thrice a week.

  • Night: Protein shake and a tablespoon of raw honey 2h later before calling it a day... raises liver glycogen levels when you sleep so you wake up much more energized as long as you aren't having too many carbs.

 

100% on everything in your post sans the bulletproof coffee. I think that guy is full of shit. I tried it for a few weeks earlier this year. Aside from making me fatter, I noticed no difference between that and a regular cup of coffee. "Toxins" my ass lol.

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Lots of water and a balanced breakfast if you have time. Eggs, turkey sausage, toast, avocado/other fruit. Nothing beats a solid breakfast.

 

Agree with @"Macro Arbitrage" on sunlight. I never realised how much it wakes you up in the morning until I moved to a place this year with an east facing bedroom. I'm not a morning person but feel terribly awake with the sunlight. It makes getting out of bed much easier.

If you can't get sunlight in the morning, there are USB powered full spectrum lights you can get that sit on top of your monitor. I have one on mine that I use sometimes in the morning and after lunch, when I remember. I'm still not sure if they are junk science quackery yet, though.

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Good find, although by skim reading that paper I am unsure under what grounds the benefits were deemed inconclusive. Seems like a hollow statement.

Either way, I realize MCT is unorthodox, sorta foggy and many fitness junkies haven't even heard of it. Fwiw my energy levels are noticeably high given the time I sleep although how much of that is attributed things like mct is something I'll never be able to answer. I know professional fighters use it and I'm also a sucker for asymmetry in both life and markets.

I have nothing to sell, but here's an overview for those interested: http://www.healthywaynaturalfoods.com/resources/articles/supplement-of-…

 

Many fitness junkies haven't heard of MCT's? I must disagree with that statement, because I learned of MCT's in my ugrad college nutrition courses ~10+ yrs ago.

 
Macro Arbitrage

Good find, although by skim reading that paper I am unsure under what grounds the benefits were deemed inconclusive. Seems like a hollow statement.

Either way, I realize MCT is unorthodox, sorta foggy and many fitness junkies haven't even heard of it. Fwiw my energy levels are noticeably high given the time I sleep although how much of that is attributed things like mct is something I'll never be able to answer. I know professional fighters use it and I'm also a sucker for asymmetry in both life and markets.

I have nothing to sell, but here's an overview for those interested: http://www.healthywaynaturalfoods.com/resources/ar...

Read the abstract. States inconclusivity. The link you sent contracdicts your statements.

 

You're all old men. I just wake up and get on with my shit.

If you're groggy from doing bad shit the night before, I find it's good to transition your mind, body, and soul by doing some more before work. Maybe to 30% capacity.

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"bkzen""Just saw you're Asian. You might beat me in the calf department, actually. You guys have niiice (albeit disturbingly hairless) calves for some fucking reason." - wtf are you even talking about

He's right (in as far as Chinese people go). A lot of ethnic Chinese have muscular, shapely calves, at least in the southern regions. They look much better than the chicken legs you see on many Europeans (myself included). I noticed it a lot when I lived in Hong Kong and travelling through southern Chinese provinces.

You could bo tong with those calves. Guangdong yuan gerk tong ho kiu yum!

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sigh and I'm not even Chinese...I didn't want to argue but to be fair I got called a bitch just cuse I'm a vegetarian and not responding WOULD make me a bitch..

@"MJK" people greatly overestimate how much protein you actually need, protein supplants are way overkill, your body will not use all that extra protein. You get a lot of protein from veggies and carbs, as well as from fruits, nuts, tofu.. I still eat eggs on occasion which is a good source. Vitamin B12 deficiency is one thing that could result from 100% plant based diet, but not protein deficiency. Milk making your bones stronger is also a myth that's not true. My go-to breakfast/lunch is oatmeal with peanut butter & banana/Falafel with big scoop of hummus. That's a ton of protein in just those two meals

I go to a muay thai gym and bike on a regular basis, I put on muscle just fine without needing extra protein supplements. Woody Harrelson's a vegan and that guy looks great

 
bkzen

*sigh* and I'm not even Chinese...I didn't want to argue but to be fair I got called a bitch just cuse I'm a vegetarian and not responding WOULD make me a bitch..

@MJK people greatly overestimate how much protein you actually need, protein supplants are way overkill, your body will not use all that extra protein. You get a lot of protein from veggies and carbs, as well as from fruits, nuts, tofu.. I still eat eggs on occasion which is a good source. Vitamin B12 deficiency is one thing that could result from 100% plant based diet, but not protein deficiency. Milk making your bones stronger is also a myth that's not true. My go-to breakfast/lunch is oatmeal with peanut butter & banana/Falafel with big scoop of hummus. That's a ton of protein in just those two meals

I go to a muay thai gym and bike on a regular basis, I put on muscle just fine without needing extra protein supplements. Woody Harrelson's a vegan and that guy looks great

You get protein from carbs?

heister: Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad. https://arthuxtable.com/
 

Calf raises will put a spring in your step.

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