New York Gun Laws Eased - We are about to see more guns in public. Thoughts?
The supreme court has stuck down concealed carry gun laws in New York and now residents can carry on their person and very likely can now legally purchase firearms with more ease.
My thoughts on this situation is there is going to be a massive uptick in shootings across New York and even in some of our offices as a result of this. The more guns we have in public the more likely it is that a moron will get their hands on one and all it takes is a simple coked up fight at a bar in midtown or a firing that someone deems unfair and someone pulls out a gun in the heat of the moment.
Despite your political leanings I think we all know that NYC has a lot of loonies disguised as functioning people around us, probably more so than you would think and I think that giving them the means to carry around weapons will unleash a pandoras box most of us will come to regret.
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Honest question bro, do you think someone with serious mental problems will be deterred by you flashing a gun? Or will that escalate the situation
If they would attack you despite you having a gun, would you really be safer around them without one? Seems like you're in danger either way.
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How often do you hear about someone with a CCP shooting up crowds? Pretty much never.
My issue isn't with the CCP, maybe i misunderstood something but its with the fact that they are rolling back prior restrictions on getting them as well
Literally no one is saying that lol. In fact, I’d initially think most guns used in crimes are stolen. More legal guns on street means more supply, period.
Im a gun owner and supporter myself, but don’t know how to feel about this in NYC where there seems to be an increase in crime particularly race attacks, subway shootings, etc.
the lunatics might think (reminder: criminals are not smart) this is their chance to get their hands on a gun and do something stupid
Exactly, i am all for gun ownership but NYC is not the place for that. Maybe they could roll back restrictions for double barrel shotguns but we are not a city that needs more Glocks around.
As a black guy who is non confrontational, I still have had weird interactions with people who were clearly well educated and probably even worked in finance when I walk around my neighborhood especially at night (I live in midtown).
I could easily have been shot by a trigger happy incel who is just looking for an excuse to kill a black person because I stood next to them at a red light about to cross the street and I give it a year before this actually happens, if not to me then some other unfortunate person regardless of race; white, black, hispanic, asian there are people just waiting for you to make a little mistake to end your life. This isn't a democrat or republican situation.
There are a lot more people concealing on a regular basis in NYC than you think, this is a HUGE city with massive underground crime networks that spread out from the street to fine dining.
SCOTUS on abortion: leave it up to the states
SCOTUS on guns: can’t leave it up to the states
Activist judiciary with lifetime appointments swiftly moving the country to the right out of step with the majority of Americans. Real healthy democracy we have here..
One is explicitly laid out in the constitution as a right to be protected by the federal government. The other is implicitly left as a right for the states to decide. Really not that hard of a concept to grasp.
I think that's a little misleading and an overly simplistic take on this. The ruling is not saying that states cannot have licensing requirements. The ruling is not making constitutional (permitless) carry the law of the land. The ruling states that you can't have an arbitrary standard for determining who can and who cannot get a CCW. The entire concept of "Proper Cause" was the problem. Here's an example - in NJ there was a man in Sussex county who was kidnapped in a case of mistaken identity. He escaped his captors when their car broke down halfway across the country, came back to NJ, and applied for a concealed carry permit. He was denied both in his application and on appeal because, and I wish I was kidding here, despite fearing for his life that the kidnappers would come back and try again. The court didn't think this was a good enough reason to qualify under "good cause". The underlying problem here is that the arbitrary nature places a significant undue burden on the applicant. Getting a CCW in NYC is neigh impossible unless you are extremely wealthy, a celebrity, or are politically connected because of this whole "Proper clause". In the concurrent ruling by Kavanaugh and Roberts, they unequivocally state that they are not removing licensing criteria and consider it to be legal, but the use of any non-objective rules or standards as part of a licenscing scheme is illegal. That's a huge difference. They aren't saying the states can't require licensing. They are saying that these standards cannot be at the whim issuing authority.
If your issue is about the use of a means-end test vs strict scrutiny, this has always been a longstanding issue. It standardizes how the courts have to review these cases instead of having circuit splits because one used strict scrutiny and another used intermediate scrutiny. We see it in 9th Circuit decisions all the time, where the state has some arbitrary reason that their need for added rules is justified for some unknown reason. We see it in NJ, where the state has some arbitrary reason to not enforce a law on the books stating that firearm permits are to be processed within 30 days of application for NJ residents (in favor of much longer wait times depending on the town. Newark and Jersey City, for example, take on average 9-12 months. The process typically takes about 3 months in most towns). This has been a huge problem with 2nd Amendment law. It's how you get rules, like in California, where you can only buy from an approved list of firearms until such a time that Microstamping is viable, thereby limiting what you can and cannot own. It's how you end up with California ignoring a DHS ruling that anything tied to the firearm industry was considered an essential business during the pandemic and effectively having a 60-day moratorium on buying guns and ammo (on top of the 10-day waiting period due to CA laws about purchasing guns and ammo - and I'm not arguing the cooldown period here because that's not the underlying issue), thereby depriving Californians of their 2A rights. This case, by the way, is currently pending an En Banc appeal and because it's California, the court would normally justify it based on the state having a means-ends/intermediate scrutiny argument in favor of the State's interest in ensuring the safety of its residents. I say "would normally" because who knows how today's ruling will shake up things in the 9th circuit. I think that particular point will make it harder to pass laws that are ridiculous (ex. banning cosmetic features - aka why does a firearm that looks like an AR get banned but a gun that looks like a Mini-14 Ranch Rifle), will hopefully require lawmakers to use more nuance and better justification for drafting these laws (ex. High Capacity magazines vs Low Capacity magazines - I won't argue that a Glock 33 Round magazine is clearly a high capacity because it is, but what's the difference between a standard 15-17 round magazine and a 10-round "low capacity" handgun magazine? Does that 1 extra round that makes it go to 11 all of a sudden turn a handgun into a fully automatic gun with unlimited ammo, a built-in no-scope aim-bot, and turn every round the magazine into the equivalent of a 50BMG on steroids? Sarcasm aside, I've never read an actual justification that makes sense for this one) instead of relying on common tropes as their excuse.
As an ironic, and interesting, side note, The Sullivan Act, the law at the heart of NYSRPA v. Bruen, was named after, Timothy "Big Tim" Sullivan. Sullivan, part of the corrupt Tammany Hall machine and later both a New York state senator and member of the US House of Representatives, was involved in police corruption, kickbacks, criminal activity, prostitution, gambling, and extortion. The story goes that he controlled all the jobs and vice below 14th Street. There are differing accounts as to why he was able to get this passed, but the one reason that stands out to me is the theory that he did it to help keep his own associates in check.
Mind you, that argument you made can be reversed with abortion.
Roe v. Wade: Can't leave it up to the States
Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization: Leave it to the states to decide unless the Federal Government steps in
Criminals don't care about gun laws. So I am very glad that soon, Sam Colt will make men in NYC equal once more.
At one time, I thought the supreme court was comprised of highly educated people focused on making decisions consistent with what is in the best interests of the public. The supreme court apparently thinks it is the best interests of US citizens to have more fire arms in society. The majority opinion referenced the second amendment 139 times.
– Warren Burger, Conservative Supreme Court Chief Justice said the following:
"The Gun Lobby’s interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies – the militia – would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
I said something like this on my own post but,
I ranted here being pro gun control after Uvalde. I support gun control almost completely; however, I also think the Supreme Court made the right decision here. The current law NYS had was plainly discriminatory in favor of the wealthy and influential. The wealthy and influential can get permit but nobody else can? Easy EPC violation.
I think NYS should find a way to limit guns without making it a socioeconomic issue.
Something else to worry about when people get tight on the subway.
Pretty bullish for Mr. Adams' police budget.
It is illegal to carry a firearm on public transportation in NY.
The Patagucci stays on during the firefight
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