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Why would you need to tell people that?
Just use one of the boilerplate reasons to be looking for something else - role is interesting but you've been there a while and want to learn different skills in X firm, want to try something new, etc. If you say anything negative about your company that's never viewed well.
True t also puts the onus on me to explain why I still work there. Though, i have a good story.
But usually, people expect me to have "accomplished" something at work, and the only thing I've accomplished is getting my ideas ignored, when at my previous job. This is micro-managed as heck and there is no place to spread your wing. If there's free time, additional work is provided to employees. Even mid management is overworked. Instead of allowing employees, including mid-management, to spend time improving existing procedures and re-evaluating existing systems, which are just barely being held together, they just pile busy work. I can only of why so little capital and employee resources - one of those speculations is that upper management is stupid, or that they know exactly what they're doing.
Unless I'm misreading this - you seem to be describing more and more reasons why you shouldn't even bother talking about the company you work with in any other context than 'I started x, currently do x, this is what my day to day looks like' and then talk about what you are interested in doing over the next few years, growth opportunities, etc. etc.
As an interviewer - I'm far more focused on what someone is bringing to the role vs. whatever stifled them at their last job. The reasons are generally all the same - bad company culture, bad management, low pay, long hours, mis-aligned values, underutilized, being bored, etc. I'll focus on skillsets, what interests you, can you learn what is needed from the role and/or what experience you might bring.
In situations like this, I recommend focusing forward and selling yourself to whomever you talk to. Take whatever positives you can, add them to your experiences and then show the value you will bring when another company, not your current one, sees your potential.
Thanks. I'm not looking to shit on the company, even though I do on here. It process oriented indeed, as are many banking jobs. The process are ineffective. Basically it's a churn and burn company that keeps costs down by running lean. If you have time to improve existing processes it means your not busy enough.
"I don't really match with the culture"
There, just solved your problem.
No, no you don't.
When someone is this adamant about telling a story it usually means they are the problem. Telling the story really only helps one person feel better, you (albeit, that's only if others agree with you and serve as your confirmation bias). Others won't really care or understand and future interviewers might (correctly) write you off as a whiner/complainer.
Yep. Unless you can spin your story into something positive "my bosses always ignored me, company doesnt listen to employees, was top down, etc." -> "From what Ive read about working here this company promotes visibility/values input from any levels/blah blah blah and that excites me because Y" then just dont bring it up
Going negative is a short term play to receive a pat on the back but it doesnt fix anything. The new individual might think less of you, and it doesnt resolve your previous frustrations. Save it for friends or spouse over beer.
Interviewing is like dating. If a girl on a first or second date talks about how bad her ex was then that's a red flag. If she talks about how bad all of her ex's were then fucking run. if the topic of ex's come up and she says "he was great and have nothing to say badly about him, but we just have different values that led us to approach the next phase of our life differently. etc etc" then you have a reasonable adult
Everybody wants a player that comes from a winning team... not a losing team... Just lie man, tell them it's great and you wish you could stay but you're looking for more growth.
First of all- never mention what you hate about the company, or that you hate it at all. Just that it "isn't for you". There is absolutely no good that can come from mentioning all the things you don't like. Focus more on what you are looking for (that the target company provides).
Depends on the company- if it is universally accepted as a sucky company that you are embarrassed to say you work for (Herbalife, northwestern mutual, or some other quazi/full pyramid scheme), you might consider not mentioning it at all. If you must, the line would be something like "I'm learning some valuable lessons here but for multiple reasons this just isn't a long term role for me". Your goal is to show that you aren't oblivious to the fact that you work for a scummy company, arent drinking the koolaid, and aren't some insufferable pyramid scheme "be your own boss, millionaire by 30" bossbabe.
If it's a company you hate but it isn't really known that they suck (been there myself), the line is something like "It really has been a tremendous experience/bootcamp here- I've learned so much about x, y, and z, which is great, but ultimately I am looking to get into ABC space". So for a company where I was a button pusher working out of ancient software doing mindnumbing work, the line might have been "I've built a lot of skills here- I'm comfortable in excel, learning how to pull insights out of data, have become very comfortable with going deep in the weeds and summarizing to give understandable variances.. but ultimately this industry isn't for me and I'm looking to get into the tech space"
As above, don't poop where you eat. If it is bad? Give the honest history of "I'm concerned that people are going to get let go. So I'm trying to get in front of it."
And if the place is TRULY shitty and recognized as such (like Herbalife mentioned above) then you will probably be viewed as an idiot for even deciding to work with them to begin with.
If you work for a company like Altria or in another 'sin' space then you can get away with saying you are more energized by the values of this new company because after a while you didnt align with values of old company, and want your work to have meaning or whatever - but really should never shit on the people you worked for beyond something like that without it blowing back as a reflection on you
Seriously this. If it's not going well on the outside of the firm, they'll know. From the inside? All it has to be is "I'm making efforts, but running into some walls unfortunately. But I'm going to keep trying." Says youre aware, but care enough to keep going.
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