“Putin Is Just Savvy Bro!” - Trump

Alright Trump stans, let’s hear your defense for why you suck this dude off so much. Are you a lender to his RE assets and thus are financially motivated to stop this idiot from going to jail? What’s the deal?


youngkin2024

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1082478790/trump-p…


Former President Donald Trump praised Russian President Vladimir Putin's moves in Ukraine, calling him "savvy," after the Kremlin recognized the independence of two breakaway, Russian separatist-controlled regions in eastern Ukraine.

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent," Trump said in an interview Tuesday on the conservative Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show.

 
Smoke Frog

I don't think anyone, even trump supporters, think he is intelligent or moral or even a good person. They know he's selfish, arrogant and greedy.

But they view him as the lesser of two evils.

Like if you're racist, you'd rather support trump then have the ultra left rise for example.

You must have have been to any small, rural towns recently. They worship that dude, even bought flags with his name in big bold letters to put on their vehicles and on their lawns. Crazytown

 
Controversial

They don't even think in policy, it's all about 'owning the libs'.  Trump made blue check marks on Twitter angry and they love that.

One good example of it is the conservative obsession with COVID "treatments" like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.  Despite their fears of long-term side effects from the COVID vaccine they are more than willing to shoot up whatever conservative influencers tell them to.  Why?  They want to feel smarter than Fauci and all the other liberal elites.

Another example: the 180 they took on Afghanistan.  The treaty to withdraw was signed under Trump and Republicans praised him for leaving a foreign entanglement but when the withdrawal actually occurred under Biden, many leaders as well as the base completely reversed course.

 
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Never-Trumper neocon George Will made the same point yesterday by comparing Putin to Otto von Bismarck in the Washington Post. Is your argument that a creeping invasion disguised as a peacekeeping operation isn't actually savvy? Or that you shouldn't complement Russian foreign policy even if it's accurate?

Or is it just "orange man bad" because 60+ journalists across 20+ publications coordinated in the same Slack group to write the same story and give liberals their latest NPC update patch?

 

Are you really telling me you didn't know he was going to invade? Lol the US intelligence this entire time was correct...calling this some sneaky "creeping invasion" move is ridiculous, there was just a huge standoff at the border for the last month. The only "peacekeeping operation" is messaged by Putin's blatantly obvious propaganda machine

 

Where is he wrong?

Putin wiped the floor with Obama in Syria. With Biden is even easier because he's too senile and those who are actually in power in the US are too busy hating half of their own population. Just wait China annexes Taiwan as well this year, then we can finally call it ''the century of humiliation of America has begun''.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 

I wouldn’t call it “wiping the floor” I would call it working closely with your handler on a coordinated strategy.

The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-clai…

An Ex-KGB Agent Says Trump Was a Russian Asset Since 1987. Does It Matter?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asse…

American Kompromat: How the KGB Cultivated Donald Trump, and Related Tales of Sex, Greed, Power, and Treachery (Hardcover)

https://www.politics-prose.com/book/9780593182536

Fiona Hill: Putin Used His KGB Training to Manipulate Trump

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fiona-hill-thinks-putin-used-his-kgb-trai…

Donald Trump Softened the GOP on Russia—At Least for Now

https://time.com/6150495/republicans-russia-putin-trump/

 

He’s not wrong, Putin was very savvy in this situation.

My issue is with a former president of the United States going on record to compliment the leader of a foreign adversary. It would be like if Truman praised how efficient and effective the mass genocides Japan and Germany carried out during WW2 were.

The argument shouldn’t be if his statement was accurate or not. It’s that as a former leader of the free world, he shouldn’t be praising Putin when he’s invading sovereign states. But perhaps he has his own reasons.

 

That is actually the last of the US problems.

You have a foreign policy that is incoherent, incompetent and has been exposed twice as weak in the last 6 months.Biden, who, mind you, was picked by your state apparatus because they didn't like Trump's foreign policy approach, has now 2 humiliating defeats on his account, with China looking to make it 3.

The Western world decadence is in full display, with adult males being able to ''support'' their pet project of liberal democracy in Ukraine by whining on twitter, writing articles or lighting up monuments. Zero people enlisting. Zelensky to the very least said 2 correct things: he was left alone and Westerners should enlist and go to Ukraine. Correct. Otherwise shut the fuck up and pay respect to the Russians because they do what you don't have the guts to do.

The West is overproducing opinion writers and underproducing people with valuable skills, like, you know, fighting a war. Then you have unsalvageable imbecilles that still believe the Russia-Trump collusion theory even when their own media have dropped the case and admitted they were lying all along. Honestly, you should just be glad Putin is not Stalin or Hitler, unlike what your media might want you to believe, otherwise he'd be steamrolling all the way to Lisbon, with maybe only Poland putting up a fight.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 

Preface: I'm independant, and genuinely couldn't care less, just for some reason felt like commenting.  

I think its an honest response to a sitaution from a outside view point. Party A made moves and a plan that point blank is rather smart/clever. Yea, definately not the timing/phrasing/way I would have put it, but he's stating his opinion on the play. 

Perfect example of another thing thats "messed up" but smart: I had call options on SCI (funeral home services) earnings reports 2 weeks ago because I thought there would be more dead people than expected. I was right. I profited off more people dying than expected. Sounds messed up, but savvy(imo). Same thing here. Trump stans may suck him off but I swear anti-trump people get just as excited trying to put a dark cloud over everything he says. 

 

btierpleb

Perfect example of another thing thats "messed up" but smart: I had call options on SCI (funeral home services) earnings reports 2 weeks ago because I thought there would be more dead people than expected. I was right. I profited off more people dying than expected. Sounds messed up, but savvy(imo). Same thing here. Trump stans may suck him off but I swear anti-trump people get just as excited trying to put a dark cloud over everything he says. 

The problem is that Mr Trump is a former POTUS.  His interests should align with the United States, which in this case could not more clearly mean supporting Ukraine and not Russia.

The fact that Mr Trump has always viewed the nation as a means to his own enrichment and self-aggrandizement, instead of the other way around, is kind of lost in the shuffle at this point, because he has always been so bald in his admitting that he doesn't give a shit about his role as a leader, doesn't give a shit about truth, or facts, or anything else we expect, so no one even comments any more that he doesn't meet even the barest minimum.  But again, Mr Trump isn't "just" a private citizen.  He's an ex-POTUS, and his treasonable conduct in office doesn't detract from his responsibility now that he's out of it.

A better example would be if you had your call options, and then ran around murdering tens of thousands of people to boost the mortality numbers.  Mr Trump's opinion of Russia's actions have to be understood in light of the fact that he was shown to be colluding with the Russians in domestic affairs.  His continued cheerleading for a dictator starting an unprovoked war of aggression is therefore a lot more sinister.

 

While it is certainly undeniable that he holds more power with his words than you or I ever will, With the argument of "interest should align" and what's best for the country...can't you argue that's what ol Vlad is up to? Trying to do what strategically makes the most sense for Russia's longer-term goal of becoming a global power? Bad for everyone else - sure. But in his eyes, what he believes is best for Russia? I don't know and I'm certainly not a history/political sci major but it seems to be so I'm not sure that's the best arguement for this one. And let's be honest with ourselves, 1/2 the entire country hates Trump and wouldn't listen to him or do the opposite of what he says anyway, so I don't think every thing he says as past-POTUS should have such a high weight attached to it. Just my opinions and a bit of food for thought but I get what you're saying.

 

I don’t think Trump’s comments were appropriate. 

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

Lol. You Trump lapdogs are so fucking pathetic. Which part of the interview did we miss? When he said he liked Putin, and Putin liked him? How about when he said Putin "had a lot of the great charm" Or when he said "he loves his country? Transcript is right here, tell me which part redeems this treasonous piece of shit.

https://www.clayandbuck.com/president-trump-with-cb-from-mar-a-lago/

You guys have no shame. All you 20 year olds who think this is the normal Republican party will be fucking embarrassed when you realize you don't have to vote GOP just cause daddy raised you to.

"I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people."
 

Idk why you got your panties in a wad. Putin just called our bluff to the whole world. That is genius and we should acknowledge it. I wouldn’t doubt that after this Taiwan will be the next to go.

 

UCSDThrowaway

Alright Trump stans, let's hear your defense for why you suck this dude off so much. Are you a lender to his RE assets and thus are financially motivated to stop this idiot from going to jail? What's the deal?

youngkin2024

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1082478790/trump-p…

Former President Donald Trump praised Russian President Vladimir Putin's moves in Ukraine, calling him "savvy," after the Kremlin recognized the independence of two breakaway, Russian separatist-controlled regions in eastern Ukraine.

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent," Trump said in an interview Tuesday on the conservative Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show.

Can’t wait for the MS, but here goes!

This is a textbook example of how the media takes quotes and frames them to fit a predetermined narrative. NPR says Trump “praised Vladimir Putin’s moves.” That’s a mischaracterization of what he actually said:

“savvy”

“This is genius”

Is this not “savvy” and “genius”? Putin waited to build up his forces until the US elected one of its weakest leaders in history (polling shows almost ~2/3 of all registered/likely voters don’t think Joe Biden is a strong leader) and while Americans were distracted by inflation and COVID/COVID restrictions at home.

I said something similar to what Trump said yesterday (at my liberal college) and peers generally agreed. Trump says it and we get your weird rant on WSO.

 

The other part is this isn't even a "good" move for Putin from a statecraft perspective. This might bolster Putin's rule for a few more years and bring him personal benefit, but the aftermath of this invasion will be overwhelmingly negative for the Russian Federation. They're a $10,000 GDP/capita country invading and occupying an $3,000 GDP/capita country. No way this ends up being a real win for Russia or the Russian people outside scoring useless USSR points with the older demographic in the country. 

 

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