The Elon-Donald Feud

JP Morgan died before the establishment of the state of Israel

Elon legitimately has no business being anything more than someone worth USD 1-3bn. 

Dude, I'm a 3x Trump voter not an Elon tech-bro. Elon's initial "lashing out" was a few passive-aggressive X posts about how bullshit the omnibus bill Congress presented is and that Trump is failing to live up to the core of his campaign from barely a year ago (that's not to say some of his more recent ones aren't way out of pocket, cuz they are but hey, that's the world we live in on X). They're both egomaniacs but Elon's objectively correct on both those points, and in typical fashion Trump took it personally, overreacted, and needlessly escalated it biting the hand that is responsible for him getting elected (biggest donor, brought in a large portion of the tech/finance vote, unbanned him from X creating a large-scale platform he could run from, etc.). Elon's not the politician, he has no direct control over policy or ability to influence what Congress decides to vote on - that's what Trump was literally elected for and he's been failing, miserably, to deliver on what he was given a mandate to do. Do you have MAGA dong so far down your throat you can't acknowledge that the current state of the DOGE initiative and Congress's bill to increase the deficit by trillions isn't reflective of Trump's massive failure as chief executive on a core pillar of his campaign?  

The deficit:

• is a national security threat because it impacts how the US can respond to any kind of crisis
• is the single biggest driver of inflation and interest rate shifts
• negatively impacts our bargaining position in any sort of foreign trade negotiations
• effects domestic policy & our ability to realize real growth in the economy
• is driven in large part by wasteful government spending & corruption hidden within large omnibus spending bills
• will force taxes to increase if spending is not cut in order to prevent US bond rates from blowing out

Yet it's not being prioritized by Trump or broader republicans despite having a majority in every branch of government. Say what you will about Democrats and how awful many of their pillar issues are, at least when they have an advantage they're willing to at least try to press it. Failures like this prove that for the most part Republicans today merely function as a pause button for the issues Dems will actually push forward whenever the pendulum swings instead of having the capability (or collective will) to effectuate any sort of change in the other direction. 

Ozymandia

PrivateTechquity 🚀GME🚀

catalogued 100s of billions in government waste, 

Lol, no, he didn't.  I'm pretty sure he found like single digit billions of waste.  In other words, essentially none.

and Trump failed to do his part as President to bring congressional republicans in-line to solidify those cuts is an embarrassment.

Because cutting services is really fucking unpopular and unlike Mr Trump, Representatives have some actual exposure and care for the opinions of their constituents.  Mr Trump has built the GOP into a cult of personality, which is great for him because his supporters swallow whatever nonsense he spews without question (see: the claims of cutting "hundreds of billions of waste").  But every other person in the cult isn't Mr Trump, and thus is vulnerable to being primaried, and as we've seen over and over, as electorally successful as Mr Trump is himself, he's absolutely no help to anyone else - his endorsements are basically useless.

This is starting to look just like his 2016 term where he surrounded himself with neocon sycophants and abandoned his actual loyalists in-lieu of policy that maintained the status quo. 

His loyalists ARE the sycophants.  It's amazing you're here playing the "No True Scotsman" game.  Mr Trump tried to hire serious, competent policy people in his first term. The problem is that Mr Trump's Administration was and currently is a clownshow of incompetence.  All the expertise and intelligence in the world sitting in his Cabinet and inner circle can't make a monkey into anything but a monkey.  The problem is not with his advisors, it's him, which is why the competent people get fired and the bootlickers stick around.

He's even attacking Thomas Massie again for pointing out the "big beautiful bill" is just another wasteful omnibus. This move does not bode well and I don't think we see any further delivery on campaign promises to reduce government - all hail the "true fiscal conservatives".  

Because the GOP abandoned fiscal conservatism a long time ago in favor of white nationalism and identity politics.

Still would've voted for him purely on the basis of securing the border and trying to take steps to deescalate the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel, but I'm not going to pretend the rhetoric around cutting the federal government wasn't a huge motivator. I'm willing to bet the assassination attempt took a lot of wind out of his sails and reduced his willingness to go against the machine, especially when you see some of his cabinet picks e.g. Marco Rubio. 

Right, and this is why I and others laugh at you.  We already saw this movie.  Mr Trump had power, total control over every branch of government, for 2 years!  And he did nothing with it except pass a totally unneeded tax cut.  Any kind of actual policy was abandoned, any attempt to fix anything nixed.  You don't like Mr Biden or his polices, and ditto Mr Obama, but at least give them credit for spending their political capital in an attempt to fix issues, even if you don't like the medicine they prescribed.

"The assassination took the wind out of his sails."  Fucking hilarious.  You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel in your quest for excuses to not take a long look in the mirror and admit you too got conned.  You're like someone who falls for a phishing scam and keeps wiring money because that's somehow less damaging to your ego than to simply cut your losses and admit you were a fool.

Mr Trump has no interest in cutting government spending.  He has no interest in helping you or any other American.  He's solely interested in enriching himself and stroking his own ego.  When things get tough, he scarpers.  Now that Ukraine hasn't decided to roll over and surrender their identity to an authoritarian dictator simply on his say so, he's decided to not bother with the peace process at all, it seems.  When scrapping the federal government is harder than simply saying so, he bails.  When challenged in court for violating the Constitution, he cries foul despite having gone on a Court packing binge we haven't seen since FDR (though to be fair that's mostly on Mr McConnell).

Why not just look at the overwhelming evidence, the one constant, in Mr Trump's entire life and certainly his political career - that the only thing that consistently matters is that he profits.  A huge thrust of his second term has been his blatant attempt to pump the value of his and his family's meme coins.  He spends all his time at Mar A Lago, literally selling access to himself.  It's amazing that you and your conservative friends spent years lambasting Mr Biden because his son made money on his father's name, and yet here you have the actual sitting President making orders of magnitude more money by directly exploiting the power of his office, and not a damn peep is heard.

Great value-add, thanks Ozy. Yeah, I guess all Trump voters got conned by wanting to believe a platform establishing a government department to cut waste was actually going to follow through. We should've not even tried and instead just voted for the option that openly didn't care about spending and wanted to compound illegal immigration and foreign conflict escalation on top of everything else. We're all just idiots for caring about a trivial issue like the national debt and should never even attempt to address it because every time we do it gets mucked up by government corruption & status quo. What a completely level-headed and well thought out take with no out of pocket ranting about white nationalism or other make believe blueanon derangement from a reasonable moderate. 👍

That line right there hit the nail on the head.

It’s easier for people on this site to keep sending the scammers money, than accept they got fooled.

But you know what else it is? A lot of these Trump supporters are also just so full of hate. Hate for immigrants and gay people and whoever else they feel isn’t like them.

I think you’re right their ego won’t let them admit Trump is no better than Biden. And objectively worse than Obama in my opinion.

But there’s a lot of people in America that simply hate others, or feel good hating others.

As to why non white people voters for Trump. I have no answer for that, other than flight average person has a low iq. I’ve met non white people in my social circle who’ve admitted to me they voted for Trump, and the few times I felt like asking and pointing out racist things trump has said or mentioning how so many hate groups support him, it’s like they have a cognitive dissonance episode and just talk about how the left sucks and gloss right over what I said.

jl12

Both Elon and Trump do this. It was inevitable. There is a reason why I was saying this would be the ultimate end state since the moment Donald won the election

Only one has a CONSISTENT track record of building amazing companies though. Donald is a lot of right time, right place. Elon is unmistakable skill.