Thoughts about Notre Dame?
The stereotype holds true. It's a fucking cult. One of my seniors won't shut up about it. But based on what he's told me, it does seem like a rising school in IB. Apparently, it's been getting more and more looks from top BB/EB. I went to an ivy but one of my parents did go to ND for some shitty grad degree so I'm curious.
Notre Dame is a great school.
Great school but no one who went there will know what "Notre Dame" means in French.
This is not possible. Everyone who went there knows what it means.
EDIT: Bad joke followed by a failed double down. If you're curious, it's already in quotes, take a look. I don't actually feel this way about Notre Dame.
It was a lot of fun when I visited a friend there. Do very well in Chicago and starting to see more NY placements from what I've seen.
Does okay with IB recruiting, but can't compete with buy-side opportunities from Ivies. Competes against Stern, Ross, UVA, etc
Obligatory, I didn't go to Notre Dame. However, based on my limited (2.5) years of industry experience, I do think its underrated on this forum. I'm in NYC for reference. Two of my close coworkers went there so this is being based heavily on what they've told me:
The thing that differentiates it in my mind from NYU/UMich/UVA is that those schools are large, have business schools filled with students who know they want to go into IB from day 1, and full of finance hardos so to speak. I know this sub is heavily saturated with students from NYU/top-publics so I will eat the monkey shit. This is more a criticism of NYU/top-publics rather than a defensive of ND, but I think it still holds true and I don't think its fair to compare this group of schools to top privates like ND, Brown, and Duke which are often overlooked. Just try to return some constructive criticism.
NYU/UMich, behind Wharton, send the most kids to BB's. However, I would not pick them over Harvard or Yale. The student size does matter, and NYU/UMich/UVA are huge. Similarly, there is a big prestige aspect that matters. Look at top business school admissions. Schools with more "preftige" objectively do better in MBA admissions. As someone who's been east coast his entire life, Notre Dame has more prestige to me than NYU, UVA, or UMich.
The second thing (I've heard) is that the student bodies are different. Here, I'm more condemning UMich/UVA/NYU rather than defending Notre Dame. I've heard the horror stories about how bad breaking into IB from these large publics or NYU is. So has anyone who's been on the job for a while. A ton of students have planned out the next ten years of their career and are gunning for every single opportunity. This leads to cutthroat behavior and a large proportion of students falling short of their goals. UMich makes you interview for a business club freshman winter and you're fucked for top-tier recruiting if the upperclassmen don't like you because the alumni connections only exist through your club? At an Ivy like the one I attended, or similar private school like UChicago, Duke, ND, your alums will vouch for you because you're an alum and weren't just in the same frat. or Similar stories at giant publics like UCLA, Berkeley, UVA, and UT Austin.
Finally, the "finance hardo" thing is pretty similar to the argument I made above. At the Ivy I went to, kids landed BB internships junior year without any prior experience (and not much demonstrated interest). I have heard of the exact same thing happening at ND from my coworkers. Kids at these schools have the luxury of studying what they want and enjoying themselves and still landing a BB position. If they choose to be a hardo and prepare from freshman year, you've got a great shot at a top buyside role and such. At these schools, being a hardo is the norm and you don't get this luxury.
Yeah that’s not quite true. Schools like UMich or NYU are recruited for their business school. So the size of the university is irrelevant, because only the business students are really targeted. And business schools like Ross and Stern are small in comparison (~600 students), so it’s easier to break in from Stern/Ross than it is from a semi like Notre Dame. That said, I would take Notre Dame over NYU CAS and UMich CAS for the reasons you mentioned
I don't understand the negative of being a "finance hardo" and competing in a cut throat environment. I went to umich,stern,uva and I hate working with my ivy co workers precisely because they lucked into ib without giving a damn and still have a massive stick up their ass.
I would rather work with more " finance hardos" that come from semi target or even non target schools instead of some elitist pussy that complains all the time and can't run through an accretion dilution model without looking at notes.
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I don’t care how it is. It’s a cult, and I say this as a Catholic. Know/worked with a lot of people from there and around 75% of them are weird as shit.
Didn't we just have a thread on this a few months ago?
Great school; overhyped garbage football team
If they make the CFP, I will be livid
But then again, would love to watch them get smoked by a Clemson/Bama first round
Have friends that went there. Is a cult, I'm not sure how one can be so passionate about a sub-par football team. Also, no hot girls. I saw like 2 attractive girls throughout all of my visits to see friends there . Does seem to place well though
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