Are there actually any legit LPs in Canada?
I work for a well known US buyout shop on the investment team. I went with IR up to Canada to help fundraise last week and it seemed like none of the LPs were very "real" apart from the pensions. Most didn't really understand what PE was and were talking about writing tiny cheques and wanted more of an evergreen structure.
Am I right to assume that Canada is an unsophisticated shit hole filled with retail investors that don't know wtf they're doing?
Maybe less so a reflection of Canadian LPs as a whole and moreso a reflection of the Canadian LPs your fund is able to get meetings with if they’re hiring people that post abrasive insults on the internet…
To still answer your question and provide some further color, the pension funds are likely the largest LPs in Canada but these span all the way from CPP and its peers (OTPP, OMERS, etc.) down to the regional / specialized pensions for school districts, police forces, and the like. Canadian pensions are becoming more direct in their investment approach, so are likely to be less geared towards allocating to new funds and will likely focus on re-upping their current GP relationships given the already existing denominator effect and the likelihood that ICs are more likely to primarily approve existing relationships if performance and co-invest opportunities have gone well. There are also a number of successful family offices and FoFs which allocate but don’t they write very large cheques (as you mentioned) but are still familiar with the PE investing model and are probably more concerned about liquidity than the pensions would be (hence wanting evergreen).
I’m frankly surprised that your fund is having to explain PE to potential LPs as this has never been a hurdle for the fund I work at and we’ve raised a meaningful amount from Canadian LPs. This takes me back to the initial paragraph - I think it’s just the meetings your fund has received to date. If your fund is early in its fundraise, it’s also likely that many of the more “legit” non-pension LPs are waiting until after first close as it has also been quite common for us to receive a number of smaller commitments towards the tail-end of a cycle.
What does evergreen mean?
An evergreen fund is an investment fund that doesn't have a set end date. It keeps operating and taking in new investments indefinitely. This structure provides more flexibility for both the fund manager and investors. The fund can focus on long-term gains without the pressure of a fixed timeline, and investors can join or exit the fund over time.
what are your views on an evergreen vs close-ended? there must be some drawbacks for investors in an evergreen - can you clarify what those might be? mostly related to timeline i guess and when GPs decide to exit investments and not being able to time those correctly>?
Canadian pension funds are highly sophisticated investors (much moreso than US pension funds)
If you're talking family offices...then yes. Generally far less sophisticated. What is big in Canada is small in the US, and the standards for everything are much lower. Pains me to say all of that as a Canadian...but almost all of the LP capital I have raised is from the US for a reason...
Are you able to make posts without jerking yourself off constantly and making everything about you?
You're supposed to share your experiences, it's a forum. I'm putting context behind my experience. I dont have experience raising from pensions, so I mentioned family offices.
There are some very sophisticated family offices in Toronto, IYKYK
Names pls
I sold my equity in a co I owned to one of the larger first gen FOs in Canada, very familiar lol
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Have to travel up to that God forsaken country again next month.
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