How Can I Take Real Risk?
As a follow up to the other thread about PE / IB becoming commoditized and worse by the year - how can I take real risk? I’ve done IB / PE for 5 years now I have to say I really hate the culture, endless admin work, and corporatizing of pretty much every aspect of the work. I dont mind learning about companies or industries - I actually really like this part of the job.
I really don’t want to waste my life away grinding for a partner seat that is highly unlikely to materialize and out of my control, while enriching people who care little about my outcome. I’d much rather work harder for myself and see what happens.
I just don’t really see how a PE associate pivots to start their own fund or something similar. I feel like you can only really do this when you have millions in personal capital and a decade plus of deal experience. The future seems pretty dim in this space tbh. I just don’t know what to do.
LO AM. The most underrated seat in finance.
Isn't it dying tho? Bc there are numerous threads saying how passive is lowering fees and stuff
Wow fucking risky career move there!
If you actually read what OP said, they don’t like admin work, the bureaucratic culture, or the idea of grinding for a low-probability partner seat. They also don’t see how starting a fund is even realistic but still enjoy learning about companies and industries. LO AM is the logical next step. Unlike PE, where you're buried in process-heavy deal execution, LO AM actually rewards deep research and real insight into businesses. And at least in public markets, you get marked every day, instead of hiding behind illiquid investments and pretending volatility doesn’t exist. Be more open-minded...public equities isn’t some cushy, non-risk-taking job. If you have real conviction and get it right, you’re taking risks and can get rewarded handsomely.
Start your own company? What else is there?
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Start your own company. If you like doing deals, start your own independent sponsor and then convert to a committed fund once you have a couple winners under your belt.
In all seriousness, I’ve found it easier to put up with the grinding admin and bureaucracy of PE if I feel like my skillset to eventually do this on my own is improving.
Call it tricking your own mind, but if you feel like every deal you close is helping you get closer to your goal of starting your own fund one day, it can help you power through a lot…
Good answer, I always maintain a mindset that what I’m doing now is just the important learning prior to attainting my next role (even if my next role could be one of three things that are closely related). Reinforcing positivity and strangely a grass is greener mindset, whilst not always easy or probably healthy, really helps. I guess I’ll fetch the bill of disillusion later down the line. By that time even if the grass isn’t greener, the money will be.
Something I often think about is, how much harder really is starting a fund these days. Relatively in the 80/90s, PE returns absolutely dominated public equities, and hence their fund size grew quickly as they offered on average outsized returns and a means of further diversification for LPs. Thus today’s schools of MFs and UMMs that first attracted a cultural best-of-best talent pipeline when they were paying ridiculous salaries, have maintained ‘prestige’ and still fairly high returns until the present day, with mgmt fees @ economies of scale serving as fair downside to employees in the worst case scenario. With the cost of debt being significantly more expensive & the level of saturation we see in today’s market, returns are less fruitful than their legacy milenial counterparts. So I really wander about the ability to scale fund sizes, thus the management fee & stock returns, thus the base case personal wealth of potential PE Partner megalodons of the future. I wander if we assumed bottom bucket of top quartile returns (argument being min needed for ctd increasing fund size) what sort of wealth a 35Yo - 60Yo could accrue as founding partner. (Too many variables/assumptions to list in one comment, but you get the point).
A medium level of risk vs starting your own fund is joining a newer small fund that is growing where you have a clear pathway to partner (instead of grinding for low chances of partner at MF/UMM)
Be an entrepreneur. That should be everyone’s eventual exit opportunity if you have this type of mindset. Doesn’t matter if it’s a fund, operating company in a specific niche, or RE, just start your own company.
Yeah it really comes down to being an entrepreneur. A couple of options for you:
A bit in the same boat as you and considering options at the moment.
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